Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Thinlómien]

What the??? Greenie, Greenie was a cobbler? It occured to me she might have been a wolf, but a cobbler?
But hey great, they killed her. Some justice in this world.

But still, we'd better kill a wolf toDay because yesterDay was just one more disappointment. Why did the guy have to get so jumpy? My initial reaction when I heard his role was: "Okay, let's lynch Durelin now because she must be behind all this!" but I decided that isn't a very constructive approach.

Hmmm... anyway, I think toDay will be a sort of reconsidering Day for me. It looks like I've been wrong all the time. (Well, it kinda helps everybody else has been just as dumb. Or just more evil and laughing at us others. *sigh*) So, I'd better think carefully, especially as finding a wolf becomes more and more important Day by Day... (and not only for our sanity). If possible, I'm going to reread the whole village, because really, I have the feeling starting sort of anew could help...

edit: xed with Shasta

[Durelin]

Well, I must admit I have been a great help to the baddies this game, but I haven't meant to be. I feel extremely stupid...

I would not blame anyone for lynching me toDay, except for the actual wolves because they know what they're doing... Basically the only way I can try and convince of my innocence that I've thought of is this: if I was actually a wolf, why would I have bothered going after Nogrod so much, especially once it started drawing a great deal of attention to me? But if I was actually a cobbler (I'm going to sound like phantom here), there's a good possibility the cobbler assassin chose me last night or even earlier, if they chose someone that people have been mentioned 'looks like a cobbler'. And I'm not dead. Rather wish the wolves had been nice and taken me out last night, but it's better that they killed another one of their cobblers.

So anyway, that will be my only *defense* toDay. I'll try and do more productive stuff. I've been all wrong, though, so...

Anyway, Brinn and Nerwen have gone through the game practically unnoticed. phantom has avoided both lynching and death through the game.

I've felt Lommy is innocent this entire game...maybe that's my problem?

Yeah, I'm rather surprised that Greenie was a cobbler, too...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Why did the guy have to get so jumpy?

I was trying to get reactions from him near the end there and they did make me feel better about my suspicion of him, but I am still sooooo far off.

If Nog had actaully been a wolf I was going to be going after Brinn and I still find her standing out in my mind a lot even though it's probably a bad idea to focus on someone who I tried to connect to someone I was completely wrong about...

Argh.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Dur

I would not blame anyone for lynching me toDay

I don't plan on it. Neither you nor Nog was my highest suspect, and as time wore down yesterday I began to feel that it was one of those typical Ordo-on-Ordo lynch fests.

I'm planning on putting my attention elsewhere today.

And didn't I say from the beginning that the Cobblers would die off whether we were successful or not? Four incorrect lynches and we've still managed to cut the bad guys in half. And with a lynch today, a WW kill tonight, and a likely Assassin hunt tonight we stand an excellent chance of being rid of the final Cobbler.

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

Now can we kill him? Please please please?

[the phantom]

You realize that if you want to get me lynched you might want to actually make an argument that holds water at some point. If you are an Ordo then you might want to reconsider your methods a bit. Making sense and being reasonable would be an excellent start.

Of course on the other hand I probably have you to thank for the fact that I am still alive. With your endless pursuit of me and my obvious annoyance the WWs are likely banking that eventually one of us will lynch the other. How does it feel to be used, Shasta?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You realize that if you want to get me lynched you might want to actually make an argument that holds water at some point. If you are an Ordo then you might want to reconsider your methods a bit. Making sense and being reasonable would be an excellent start.

Of course on the other hand I probably have you to thank for the fact that I am still alive. With your endless pursuit of me and my obvious annoyance the WWs are likely banking that eventually one of us will lynch the other. How does it feel to be used, Shasta?

I'm flying mostly by instinct at the moment, and I tend to think that anyone who tries to tell me what and how to think must be evil.

[the phantom]

I tend to think that anyone who tries to tell me what and how to think must be evil.

Well, then I must've been super darn evil last time when I was the Good Wizard.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Four incorrect lynches and we've still managed to cut the bad guys in half.

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!

Originally Posted by the phantom

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

Or– as I said on Day One– let's just go for people who look suspicious. We don't seem to be very good at telling wolves from cobblers in this game anyway.

[the phantom]

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!

Well okay, if you want to get into semantics then yes, the WWs and the Assassin have made the kills. But seeing as the WWs and Assassin are all still with us, and are members of this village, "we" seems to be an appropriate word. Plus there is the fact that kill choices of WWs are always dictated by the behaviors of the villagers, as are the picks of the Assassin, and thus we share in the production of those deaths.

[Nerwen]

I am just saying... our lynching record is nothing to get complacent about, to say the least.

[Brinniel]

Greenie as a cobbler...well it's a bit of a surprise, but I'm quite relieved...especially that it was the wolves who killed her, which therefore has kept our numbers up. I was worried we would start out toDay with half of us being evil, but luckily that's not the case...but I'm still definitely worried that we haven't yet lynched a wolf, and it's really important that we get this right toDay.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Basically the only way I can try and convince of my innocence that I've thought of is this: if I was actually a wolf, why would I have bothered going after Nogrod so much, especially once it started drawing a great deal of attention to me? But if I was actually a cobbler (I'm going to sound like phantom here), there's a good possibility the cobbler assassin chose me last night or even earlier, if they chose someone that people have been mentioned 'looks like a cobbler'. And I'm not dead. Rather wish the wolves had been nice and taken me out last night, but it's better that they killed another one of their cobblers.

Yeah, I was thinking something similar to that. I seriously half expected to come here toDay and find you had been killed by the assassin...but that's not the case. But I still won't eliminate the possibility that you could be a cobbler...after all, Formy wasn't killed right away. As for being a wolf...I'm pretty torn. It does seem rather bold for a wolf to so strongly attack an ordo. Usually wolves aren't so clear in their suspicions...but not always, as I can recall it's happened before. And of course, it would be easy for a wolf to use the "I wouldn't do that" excuse and play the "sorry I'm such a misguided ordo" card. But is that something Durelin would do? I don't know.

Conclusion: While we should definitely not spend our entire Day focusing on Durelin, we shouldn't eliminate her from being a possible wolf either.

Originally Posted by phantom

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.

During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

I've sort of accepted that it's just his style...though a more recent style. Ever since the DW game, Shasta has made hordes of short, chatty posts and in the previous two games he was not a wolf. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't be a wolf this time around...but I wouldn't base suspicions simply on the way he's posting. However, I do agree that I would like to see Shasta share some more opinions about other players.

[Brinniel]

Eönwë - While I've been thinking he seems pretty innocent, I'm starting to get a bit worried for the mere fact that the wolves haven't killed him yet. I mean, a lot of players have disregarded him...so why wouldn't they pick him? To confuse us? Or maybe he is a wolf...

Nerwen - She feels pretty innocent to me, but the problem is she keeps slipping under my radar. Perhaps I should look at her more closely.

Kath - I thought she seemed cobblerish, but that possibilty was discussed Days ago and she hasn't been killed by the assassin...so perhaps she's just innocent. I still feel doubtful that she's a wolf, but I don't want to eliminate the possibility in case I'm wrong.

Durelin - Cobbler or wolf? Innocent or evil? I don't know...she's confusing me. But I don't like the apologetic tone she's had recently.

the phantom - I think I can eliminate the possibility that he's a cobbler as I really think the assassin would've targeted him by now. But is he a wolf? I think I mentioned before that tp is one of few capable of being a bold wolf and successfully get away with it. The problem is he's such a mystery and if innocent, the wolves will keep him alive as long as possible because he baffles us so. But of course, I don't want to lynch tp just because he's a big mystery, that'd be silly. I just need to get a better read on him.

Shastanis Althreduin - Still a question mark to me, but I still don't see anything overly suspicious. But what if he and tp were wolves? Like I said, Nerwen completely read my mind. Actually, the thought came up when tp said he wouldn't bother voting Shasta because he thinks him a cobbler...easy excuse for a wolf. But would a Shasta-wolf so boldly attack his fellow wolf? Not so sure about that...unless tp instructed him to (and we all know how bossy he can be ). Hmm...it's a possibility, but not something I'm willing to bet my money on...

Thinlómien - Keeps sliding under my radar. Seriously. Every Day I keep worrying that she looks a bit furry, but then when the final moments come I always toss her aside and look at other candidates. So perhaps I need to watch her more closely.

So there it is. Basically everyone is just a big question mark to me. Though I think that's partly because the stakes are now high and I don't want to eliminate anyone in case they might be a wolf.

Btw, I suggest we vote a bit earlier toDay. That doesn't mean it has to be super early, but perhaps this time everyone should vote before the actual deadline..