Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwathagor · 10-12-2008, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

It cried out: "Manwë! Thou hast tried to cripple the Wargs, but how it has turned out -- they have helped me cripple thee!"

Based on this, I think you're right about Melkor, Lommy.

And if that's the case (that Legate was bad), then Gollum has an interesting point here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

To another topic, I was first chased around by Legate, and now Lommy has chosen me for a target. Knowing now who Legate was, I am tending towards considering Lommy a traitor. Of course, I may be wrong and I am not making a decision off of so slim evidence as that, but I am watching Lommy.

If Legate went after Gollum (did he? Someone should check...), then it's probably safe to bet that Gollum isn't a traitor. If.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 04:11 AM

Hello all,

Apologies for my recent lack of participation, I have been in the process of moving into a new flat and haven't been able to get on a computer.

And a lot has happened since I last posted.

I must say I don't really understand this Melkor-Manwe thing, although obviously Melkor was pro-warg.

As for Shasta dying of grief at the realisation of the pain of wargs, I don't really get that either.

At the moment I am inclined towards voting for Gollum, basically because there have been vague suspicions directed at him for a while now.

Hopefully I can come up with better justification (or even a different vote altogether) on further reading.

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 05:53 AM

Hi I am here and will be around a lot more later. Still trying to get my head around this but my instincts are at least holding true. I think Shasta was surely modfired?

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 06:18 AM

Is it likely that the pairs of werewolves mentioned in Eomer's prophecy are meant to describe competing pairs of werewolves? I.e. It was Melkor's mission to kill Manwe and vice versa, and that when Legate (Manwe) was lynched by the Warg vote Brinniel's mission as Melkor was complete so she left the game.

I have no experience of this game to go on, so I don't know if scenarios like this have happened before.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 06:26 AM

And if the above is the case, is it not possible that legate went after Gollum thinking he was Melkor?

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 06:28 AM

There have been unusual variants but I am afraid I don't often have time to follow the games I haven't played but I don't think something quite like that has happened. A weid variant on lovers (maybe Noggin was on the money for once!). However how was the kill decided I wonder... and where do we go from here?

Mithalwen · 10-13-2008, 06:32 AM

And Eomer asked the villains to send a name. So we don't have a lot of scope for making errors. We have lost the main enemy but at least 2 remain. And we have lost both our gifted.

Gaunt · 10-13-2008, 07:07 AM

Reading over Eomer's prophecies, I think there were two original werewolves, who were joined on the third night by Manwe (Legate) and Brinniel (Melkor). I'm not sure what the exact roles of Melkor and Manwe were - would Manwe have been able to kill as a werewolf had not Melkor successfully assisted in having him voted off?

No matter. If this was the case, then are two werewolves working together left.

So:

night 2: Samwise lynched, Kitanna killed by werewolves

night 3: Groin Redbeard lynched, Nogrod killed by werewolves

night 4: Legate (Manwe) lynched, Rune killed by werewolves, Shasta dies for reasons unknown, possibly by the moderator.

10-13-2008, 05:53 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Hi I am here and will be around a lot more later. Still trying to get my head around this but my instincts are at least holding true. I think Shasta was surely modfired? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 06:28 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	There have been unusual variants but I am afraid I don't often have time to follow the games I haven't played but I don't think something quite like that has happened. A weid variant on lovers (maybe Noggin was on the money for once!). However how was the kill decided I wonder... and where do we go from here? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 06:32 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	And Eomer asked the villains to send a name. So we don't have a lot of scope for making errors. We have lost the main enemy but at least 2 remain. And we have lost both our gifted. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-13-2008, 07:07 AM	#8
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Reading over Eomer's prophecies, I think there were two original werewolves, who were joined on the third night by Manwe (Legate) and Brinniel (Melkor). I'm not sure what the exact roles of Melkor and Manwe were - would Manwe have been able to kill as a werewolf had not Melkor successfully assisted in having him voted off? No matter. If this was the case, then are two werewolves working together left. So: night 2: Samwise lynched, Kitanna killed by werewolves night 3: Groin Redbeard lynched, Nogrod killed by werewolves night 4: Legate (Manwe) lynched, Rune killed by werewolves, Shasta dies for reasons unknown, possibly by the moderator. Last edited by Gaunt; 10-13-2008 at 07:20 AM. Reason: repetition

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10-13-2008, 04:11 AM	#2
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Hello all, Apologies for my recent lack of participation, I have been in the process of moving into a new flat and haven't been able to get on a computer. And a lot has happened since I last posted. I must say I don't really understand this Melkor-Manwe thing, although obviously Melkor was pro-warg. As for Shasta dying of grief at the realisation of the pain of wargs, I don't really get that either. At the moment I am inclined towards voting for Gollum, basically because there have been vague suspicions directed at him for a while now. Hopefully I can come up with better justification (or even a different vote altogether) on further reading.

10-13-2008, 06:18 AM	#4
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	Is it likely that the pairs of werewolves mentioned in Eomer's prophecy are meant to describe competing pairs of werewolves? I.e. It was Melkor's mission to kill Manwe and vice versa, and that when Legate (Manwe) was lynched by the Warg vote Brinniel's mission as Melkor was complete so she left the game. I have no experience of this game to go on, so I don't know if scenarios like this have happened before.

10-13-2008, 06:26 AM	#5
Gaunt Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The bleak splendour of the north. Ok, Aberdeen. Posts: 28	And if the above is the case, is it not possible that legate went after Gollum thinking he was Melkor?