Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

My other main options are Mac and Fea.

Bad options, I assure you. Or at least bad option, singular.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Fea's reaction to this - or should I say, overreaction? - seemed kind of unnecessary; a case of "the Lover doth protest too much"?

Stop that. Really, no matter who you are you don't want me lynched. Cross my heart and promise. The wolves want me alive, the village wants me alive, and when it comes time for my death, you'd better believe that it's best for everybody if it's on my own terms. I'm blowing off my night class and going shopping. Don't kill me while I'm gone.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

"Best for everybody"? Lovers included? So, what you're saying is, you're neutral?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lommy's, which I helped to mod. But there the point was that no one knew that there were three of them, except the ordo lover. I don't think something like that would work here - with a gifted, ordo, and wolf.

Right, not necessarily a cross-alignment trio, but I remember that in that lover-trio, one of them died and the other two remained alive, but another died and they died together. Am I making sense? The mechanic could be the same.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Agan

This is actually a good point. It could be interpreted as a wolf trying to look helpful and normal and innocent and all. Then on the other hand it's also possible that sally's just so used to the idea of ties being bad that she kind of automatically thought "No ties" when voting.

I could be wrong, but haven't the last... three or four games had the same "first person to tie is executed" rule?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Right, not necessarily a cross-alignment trio, but I remember that in that lover-trio, one of them died and the other two remained alive, but another died and they died together. Am I making sense? The mechanic could be the same.

Possible but I don't know how likely it is. As for our game, the ordo lover was the most important - had she died, the others would have died too. She stayed alive as long as at least one of her lovers was alive.

Fea, your post made me feel more like voting for you than I did before.

edit: xed with Shasta & Eomer

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Gwath

I don't have any problem with Nogrod's use of the word "good" in this context. It is natural to understand the lovers' actions in terms of what is "good" for them.

Don't just look at the original point - I never claimed it to be a good one - look at Nogrod's reactions to it (and his reaction to my reaction...): those are what makes me suspicious.

Originally Posted by Gwath

I agree, and will take the assertion even one step farther: trying to analyze a player apart from the context of their past games is as futile as trying to appreciate an artist apart from his body of work.

Just to clarify: I don't think that arguments like "A plays differently than usual" are meta-reasoning - they're still concerned only with our in-game-personalities. In the case here, it reached out to out-game-personality ("Winning is not that important to me..."), and I don't think it's good to go there.

[Brinniel]

I've come to the realisation that I don't really have any strong suspicions of anyone as of now. Time to take a closer look at everyone...I will be back..

[Aganzir]

++ Fea

Sorry love, but I don't trust you. To my understanding you could make a post such as that regardless of your role, so it doesn't move me either way. Somehow it still provokes me, though.

edit: xed with Nog & Eomer

[Nogrod]

Oh my, five hours to the wake-up call...

So maybe I should just try to annoy and upset you by suspecting all of you?


Suspicious

Kitanna defended Mac twice on Day1 when he was in trouble and hasn't made me feel any better toDay with her carefulness. Mac has clearly made his task toDay to get an innocent lynched... or at least make me suspected a lot.

To me it looks like a good deal trying out one of them.


I'm still a bit weary about Sally's way of posting.


Greenie took the most out of the little skirmish between me and Mac nicely portraying herself as an outsider (and making rreally bad interpretations of what people had said!) and then conveniently voted for Gollum as an easy choice.


Not going to vote...

Eomer looks reasonable even if I could see him playing it this safely as a baddie. I kind of suspect him indeed but have nothing to point my finger on.

Unlike Aganzir I'm not so worried about Fea this time. Although it depends on how she continues the game. Even if a case could be made that she tried to get through Day1 by being reasonable and has now fallen to her unfathomable ways to cover her lupine identity.

Rikae I'm somewhat easy about - but it may be because I have not concentrated on her too much so far. Still I wouldn't wish to lynch her as she is a formidable enemy of the baddies if she's a goodie.

Brinn looks good even if I know she can pull that face when a wolf. But like Rikae (and many others), she might be an asset in the endgame and I wouldn't like to see her go with no good reason.

Aganzir answered my few little teasers well enough and I will not be voting her even if I have a bad feeling about her everytime I play with her due to her mastery of being a sneaky wolf.


Alarmingly no idea eg. a host of baddies here!!!

Shasta - making points more than I'd expect. A good or a bad thing?
Gollum - trailing others too much to be a baddie? His lover would have consulted him?
Eönwë - lot of talk in numbers, little to say.
Gwath - his grounds for a vote yesterDay were terrible (voted Fea because he disagreed with her about Mac!) - I wonder why Agan was so keen on defending him??? But has been reasonable toDay, mainly because of agreeing with me... and that I always find dubious.
Groin - is he playing?
McCaber - a real submarine


Okay. I'm not voting as yet. I try to wake up early enough to vote nearer the deadline if there would be any discussions or votes that would help me with my choice...

Good night!

PS. It's nice to see you Americans being forced to decide these votes for a change!

EDIT: X'd from Eönwë's vote...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So, as I pointed out earlier, one of the things that caught my eye today was Kitanna's post. Let's have a look at reactions today, to the killings of Legate and Lalaith.

1) Rikae: Both classic wolf kills. No trails.

2) Brinniel: Lalaith, no trail. Legate, maybe he was a gifted.

3) Shasta: Legate, they thought he was a lover.

4) Eonwe: Lalaith, no trail there.

5) Aganzir: Legate? Probably thought he was a lover.

6) Sally: Legate? Hmm, I think they thought he was.... a lover!

7) Aganzir: lalaith could have been gifted, mind.

Then we have Kitanna, who pops up to say that o yes indeed, lalaith was an obvious kill given her "quietness" and that Legate was, like others thought, believed to have been a gifted.

I don't know what there is about this post but it just seems so throwaway, like Kit is merely going through the motions. Also, it's my time to betray her now. She's had it her way for too long.

String her up!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

So, as I pointed out earlier, one of the things that caught my eye today was Kitanna's post. Let's have a look at reactions today, to the killings of Legate and Lalaith.

1) Rikae: Both classic wolf kills. No trails.

2) Brinniel: Lalaith, no trail. Legate, maybe he was a gifted.

3) Shasta: Legate, they thought he was a lover.

4) Eonwe: Lalaith, no trail there.

5) Aganzir: Legate? Probably thought he was a lover.

6) Sally: Legate? Hmm, I think they thought he was.... a lover!

7) Aganzir: lalaith could have been gifted, mind.

Then we have Kitanna, who pops up to say that o yes indeed, lalaith was an obvious kill given her "quietness" and that Legate was, like others thought, believed to have been a gifted.

I don't know what there is about this post but it just seems so throwaway, like Kit is merely going through the motions. Also, it's my time to betray her now. She's had it her way for too long.

String her up!

So... Forgive me for stating the obvious, but I'm confused. Are you and Kitanna lovers? And if so, why would you betray her? Doesn't seem very sportsmanlike.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

So... Forgive me for stating the obvious, but I'm confused. Are you and Kitanna lovers? And if so, why would you betray her? Doesn't seem very sportsmanlike.

It's ok, Shasta. It's meta.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Forgot to vote.

++KITANNA

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually, yes. There's no way I'm staying up any later.

Kitanna always gets the last laugh. At least some of you should know that by now. Maybe it's because of that dodgy post earlier today; maybe it's just because she's a survivor; maybe it's because she has a history of slaying an entire village with her lover (who would that have been... ). All these are exceptionally valid reasons with little to no need of supportive evidence.

Hmm, now I'm the annoying guy who votes first and is exempt from talk of bandwagoning.