Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

Heh. Are you volunteering, dear?

I even might be.

But I'm going to look at that revealment first.

Originally Posted by Fea

I'm a seer who's only allowed to dream of innocents. If I dream of a Lover, I die. If a Lover pair kills me, they and I all die. If the village kills me, everybody who voted for me is retributionally slaughtered.

Okay. It's possible Di might have thought of that kind of a special-indeed role and it would suit Fea pretty nicely if she was handpicked into the role.

Gwath then kindly provided us with this from Day2 (I'm too lazy to go back there and find it myself):

Originally Posted by Fea

Stop that. Really, no matter who you are you don't want me lynched. Cross my heart and promise. The wolves want me alive, the village wants me alive, and when it comes time for my death, you'd better believe that it's best for everybody if it's on my own terms.

So it looks like she's hinting towards her role already there.

Also she said I'm innocent which is true indeed.

So all fine and dandy?

Well not all.

First of all I'm a bit suspicious about there being such a role that basically makes the player immune to any attacks if she's believed. And in a village where there is no clear knowledge about what kind of roles there are a great baddie might come up with a scheme like this. And that baddie would need to be also both playful and daring - which both apply to Fea just too well (also the "hinting" before revelation).

Secondly the timing of the revelation really raises my eyebrows. No one was actually suspecting Fea at the moment. So why the hurry to do that? She could have revealed a bit later if it would have looked like she was garnering some serious suspicion (and there was that mentioning of the role in her post in Day2 which should have convinced those wishing to lynch her anyway not to do it right away).

And sure it would have been a great way to go not telling the lovers about her capacities and taking both of them with her if they tried her during the Night? If she was a seer she could have just left a post saying it clearly enough for those reading her posts afterwards where she tells I'm innocent ie. not attention-grabbinlgy but using words which don't jump into one's eye when just looking through but reveal the intent if one reads them with knowledge of her role afterwards.

If she is a lover she would be afraid of the other (one of) lover-pair coming after her as the size of the village gets smaller. That would be a good reason for the timing. If we all believed her, the possible remaining lovers would leave her being afraid of trying her and we would not dare lynch her either. Perfect.
(And btw. all the lovers were alive when she revealed: McCaber and Greenie only got dead after that!)


I was already making pretty wild theories on this before I remembered Eomer has something to say in this. I'm waiting for him to appear before going with this any further...

EDIT: changed Gwath into McCaber, thank's to Sally...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If she is a lover she would be afraid of the other (one of) lover-pair coming after her as the size of the village gets smaller. That would be a good reason for the timing. If we all believed her, the possible remaining lovers would leave her being afraid of trying her and we would not dare lynch her either. Perfect.
(And btw. all the lovers were alive when she revealed: Gwath and Greenie only got dead after that!)


I was already making pretty wild theories on this before I remembered Eomer has something to say in this. I'm waiting for him to appear before going with this any further...

You mean Cabbie?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You mean Cabbie?

Ah, sorry... I'm going to change that... Thank's for notifying...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This is all a bit confusing and I have little faith that we're going to get to the bottom of things very soon.

Now, I will not rule out the possibility that Fea is lying. That she is a black-hearted scoundrel seeking naught but mischief and the pain of others should be clear to most Barrow-Downers. But I won't let the natural "Fea is screwing with us" reaction kick in without a thought.

She apparently knows my secret. All well and good. I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

So, what to make of this? There could be another Ranger in town, but I immediately think this unlikely. Two Rangers in a regular game would be an intriguing balance for more powerful villains; but in this game? Where it seems the Lovers are really battling the odds? I have to doubt it.

Which makes me think that Diamond has something really, really bizarre going on. Unfortunately for us players, we can hardly do anything logical about it. Is it something to do with Fea's weird role? Whether she's directly involved (if she's truthful) or whether it's the work of some powerful counter of Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

I don't understand. Who or what protected Nogrod? I know he's an ordo, so he can't have done anything to protect himself. If you didn't protect him, how did he survive the Lovers?

[Gwathagor]

Eomer: who have you protected and which Nights?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Eomer: who have you protected and which Nights?

Eomer: Please refrain from telling who you protected last night, as I for one do not want the remaining Lover pair to know who cannot be protected this night.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

She apparently knows my secret. All well and good. I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

So, what to make of this? There could be another Ranger in town, but I immediately think this unlikely. Two Rangers in a regular game would be an intriguing balance for more powerful villains; but in this game? Where it seems the Lovers are really battling the odds? I have to doubt it.

I would think that if there were indeed two Rangers, we would have seen some evidence of it in the narration, so I have to doubt it too.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I would think that if there were indeed two Rangers, we would have seen some evidence of it in the narration, so I have to doubt it too.

I wish I had time to wrap my head around this, but I'm in class for the next six hours. Oh how I love Tuesdays...

But then- we might not have seen evidence in the narration because unless the two Rangers' choices conflicted or something, would Di mention it? Because thus far she's only mentioned people who have been directly involved, right?

But it doesn't make sense to have two rangers. Except it doesn't make sense not to, if Eomer didn't protect Nogrod.

I'm having trouble coming up with logical scenarios that would explain any of this. I have to go for now...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

But it doesn't make sense to have two rangers. Except it doesn't make sense not to, if Eomer didn't protect Nogrod.

Interesting. You Fea if any should be familiar with this most elementary ranger-gamble: whether to protect a known innocent in a tight place when the baddies think he will be protected or take the risk and not do it so that the baddies go for somewhere else and s/he could then protect the known innocent the next Night for real buying her/him one more Day around.

It kind of looks like you knew the baddies were after me last Night in any case... Was it because you were?

But who the heck then saved me and why was in to mentioned like the earlier "saves" were mentioned? Maybe you Fea just really aren't able to pick the pieces together right now as you said?

Gah, this is getting twisted indeed....

[Nogrod]

I just looked at an US election special from BBC and there was this old guy saying "Mac is back". Let's hear when he comes around as we'd surely do with his help now...

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I didn't protect Nogrod.

After I heard from Fea you'd be a ranger I kind of counted on that you'd be one of those ready to take that risk. If you're not misleading us then I'm confident with that and give you my thanks. Well done!

But now we are in the stages of the game our being in the darkness starts to be a real burden.

I'll try to open up a few of the possibilities - which there sure is almost a limitless number - in a moment.

PS. If Eomer is indeed the ranger he bluffed the baddies by not protecting me last Night... Yes, I agree with Fea at this point that he should not tell it out aloud... ADD... who he protected last Night

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shasta

And I voted McCaber the day before yesterday because I had a major bad feeling about one of his posts; while I'm looking at Eomer, I'll see if I can't find it.

Now this was the first post of toDay.

How come you were so keen to point out that you voted for a baddie the Day before? And what would it help if we knew afterwards which were your reasons for doing that now that both McCaber and his mistress Greenie are dead and gone and there's no information to be gained if they did not know the other pairs? Or were you just a bit too hastily trying to make yourself look good as you had "got it right as well"? Or did you know that?

There is something that is now freaking me, some of my own conspiracy-theories are taking over little by little in this nuthouse village...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now this was the first post of toDay.

How come you were so keen to point out that you voted for a baddie the Day before? And what would it help if we knew afterwards which were your reasons for doing that now that both McCaber and his mistress Greenie are dead and gone and there's no information to be gained if they did not know the other pairs? Or were you just a bit too hastily trying to make yourself look good as you had "got it right as well"? Or did you know that?

There is something that is now freaking me, some of my own conspiracy-theories are taking over little by little in this nuthouse village...

Uh, no, because I recalled that I hadn't been able to explain that vote, and someone had mentioned it earlier.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Uh, no, because I recalled that I hadn't been able to explain that vote, and someone had mentioned it earlier.

Isn't it still kind of overdoing it as you didn't vote yesterDay and no one has kind of toDay asked about that vote from the Day before or suspected you about it (as your post was the first one toDay)? Not that you explained it toDay either... and who cares about that anymore.

So eager to point to your "good judgement"? And why? Vanity or more evil intentions?