Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Aganzir]

Ai, ai, ai! Four pages.

Originally Posted by Brinn

she's only posted twice (what's up with that?)

Getting home late, tiredness, a paper to write, and a general annoyance with the world.
Today I should be able & willing to post more, though.

Originally Posted by Legate

and in a bit of anti-Brinn mood (this "large front of support" simply does not sit well with me, taken that Brinn, from my part, gets no reading)

Why doesn't it sit right with you?
Also, could you explain what you actually mean by "large front of support". I am aware that Brinn was considered innocent by a few people at the early stages, but I wouldn't call it a large front yet.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I'm was thinking of voting Nogrod- he seems very reasonable and is talking a lot of sense (but maybe trying to be too helpful).

How is he trying to be too helpful? Please elaborate.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

But then she voted Brinniel, which I wouldn't do.

Why wouldn't you?

Thanks for the votes, Shasta & Brinn, although I'm curious to know why you ended up choosing me since my posts were rather poor in content and neither of you had to vote very early. Also sally, why were you considering me?
I am sure you are both aware that since I had not posted (nor formed) any real suspicions by the time that you voted me, it's not impossible that I end up suspecting/voting one of you. (Don't know how likely it is, either. Just felt the need to point it out).

Originally Posted by Boro

Agan I'm not sure how involved she will be.

So have I appeared irresponsible and quiet in all the games we've played together?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Then, another thoght... voting someone as a rep is surely a great way of buddying up fellow villagers. That's why the Agan-Brinn and Legate-phantom "alliances" make me wonder... I mean, of course it's just natural too to reward trust with trust and one is subconsciously inclined to trust someone that trusts them and blah blah blah, but such vote exchanges are curious. I'm not sure what to think about them.

I don't find them curious in themselves. However, if there's something strange in them, it's the seeming lack of reasoning , but that's a thing that applies to the voting in general, not only these "alliances".
I find it odd that it made such a big impression on you.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Agan and Greenie's great trust in her makes me raise my eyebrows.

Could you elaborate on our great trust in her. Where did you find it?

I don't like it how Lommy seems to exaggerate things that seem rather small to me.

Originally Posted by Legate

A) said pretty plainly that she won't have probably much time (in fact, at least on me it made the impression as if she were almost like rejecting the Rep position for toDay)

I wasn't, but I wasn't actively running for a rep, either. I'm around this afternoon but I won't stay here until deadline.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir for Brinniel. I'd agree with her that Brinn seems sensible, but what does she mean by saying she's "usually trustworthy"?

My main reason for calling her trustworthy was that she's a player I have a history with and I know she's responsible and will contribute & be around. She can also be helpful if innocent, but that's not a point I considered so much when voting her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I agree, nonetheless (forgot to include this in my last post) that it's rather peculiar that Aganzir got in this time, when I believe she's only made one post.

Two, to be precise. However, both of them suffered from several lack of substance, so I wonder about it, too.

I'm off to reread the thread.

[Boromir88]

So have I appeared irresponsible and quiet in all the games we've played together? ~Agan

Irresponsible...you said it, not me.

Anyway, no, I was running through the people with 1 vote, and while I believe you would be a great rep, based on what you said yesterday, I didn't know whether you would busy and/or annoyed today. It has no bearing one who I choose in the future.

Why so? Nogrod always tries to make quiet people talk more...~Lommy

True, but as I noted, if a wolf-Nogrod can't become a rep, it could be an attempt to keep power out of other vocal players who could be trouble for him. Also, it could be a way to get the wolves more involved in the voting, and he's simply masking it under the umbrella of "trying to get more info" from people.

Anyway, unless Nogrod, you want to tell me a secret you're hiding, you won't be getting my vote. I'll say it again...you won't be getting my vote - I want to stress that point, because I won't pull a Legate 180.

The business with the phantom, Legate, and Boro: "I suspect you... no, wait, you're fine, I'll vote for you instead" ...seems a little choreographed, rather like what I thought I saw with Shasta, tp and Brin earlier... Hmmn. They can't all be wolves.~Nerwen

I'm not quite sure where you, or Shasta got that idea from. Shasta said he got it from Lommy, who originally pointed it out. But, if I recall all Lommy did was really point out the obvious. That us 3 were obviously interacting, but didn't inquire any further.

I see what you're saying about Legate and the phantom. Legate completely turned around, and the phantom's vote seems out of the blue. But I would ask you not lump me in with those two. I have not recanted anything I've said about Legate, and now I want more answers from him (which I will get to in a moment). As far as the phantom, I don't believe I ever suspected him, nor said he would not be my representative.

I can be around for another hour, or so, and then will be out until about 6 EST. First, I would like to hear the thoughts of my constituents. Ilya? The Ka?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Rune

There seem to be only one question that needs to be asked: Why would anyone vote for Brinniel?

Hmph. I ought to vote for you toDay for just saying that.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Thanks for the votes, Shasta & Brinn, although I'm curious to know why you ended up choosing me since my posts were rather poor in content and neither of you had to vote very early.

Part of the reason I chose you was because you unusually quiet; I was hoping that by putting you in a position of power I could draw you out more and get a better read of you early in the game. Also I wanted to pick someone who tends to make good judgements when accurately suspecting whether someone's a wolf or not. It became between you and Shasta and I decided you over him because voting him would've gotten nowhere since he had no votes and as I already said, I think it's better we have more reps than less. In fact, seven is a perfect number. That's one third of the village.

On another note, it's best I warn you all that I have a busy day in RL ahead of me. I'm going to be gone from 11am to perhaps as late as 9:30pm EST. I'm so sorry about that, but it can't be helped. But I'll definitely be around at the end of the Day and if I can get here earlier, I will.

[A Little Green]

You guys should really really slow down. I've been reading the thread for a few hours... Okay, then to some thoughts that came to me as I read.

Originally Posted by Noggins

I would hate to see a scenario where some of the "generally trusted veterans" would make all the votes when we have this kind of opportunity to try things in the first Days.

I agree that a situation with only "generally trusted veterans" as reps is not nice, but for a different reason. I think it is not a favourable situation because, quoting Lommy,

Originally Posted by Lommy

I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones.

That I think is a real problem, not only because it enables quiet wolves to slip by, but also because it will lead to a not-so-enjoyable and not-so-sporty game. I agree that when playing werewolf one should contribute and post actual substance; nevertheless, I don't like the way people seem to think that flooding the thread with posts is the only right way to play and the closer you get to that the better you are. We can't all be phantoms or Nogrods, nor do we need to be. It's just alarming how this "loud, experienced veteran" type seems to be the "ideal" werewolf player who sort of must be respected just because of that status. No, I'm not saying "Don't respect experienced loudmouths". What I mean is that we should avoid only considering these kind of players as good players or players worth being a rep.

Okay, sorry for that. I got a bit heated on that topic. Now back to the actual game.

Originally Posted by Gwathy

Ok, so toDay I am voting

++Nogrod

as my representative. I think he'd do a good job of keeping the quiet players on their toes, making the ranks of the sub-reindeer-sitters a less than safe place for a wolf to hide. This, at any rate, is my hope.

I must wonder at this. He's basically voting Nogrod because he'd keep quiet players on their toes, but then, I at least would count Gwath among those very same quiet players. I don't know what to think about that, but I felt the need to point it out.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Hmm. Perhaps it's more of an angle, with Phantom at the center. I just latched on to Lommy's phrase because I saw the same thing she did.

This argument looked very weird to me. Shasta? What did you mean?

One more thing - like Agan, I don't quite understand where these phrases like "great trust" and "large front of support" come from. I never said I had great trust in Brinniel - I think I said that she looks innocentish and is a sensible player or something along those lines. Don't know, but it looks like someone is trying to make small issues into big ones.

Generally, I think Leggie looks quite innocentish, Ka is slightly creepy, and Agan speaks good sense and raises good questions. I'm also happy to see Rune and Nerwen around.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

However, if there's something strange in them, it's the seeming lack of reasoning , but that's a thing that applies to the voting in general, not only these "alliances".

Could be. I have no doubt it will useful to go through all the reasons for the rep votes. But on the other hand, there's lots of other stuff that would be useful too, like for example wolf-hunting...

Originally Posted by Agan

Could you elaborate on our great trust in her. Where did you find it?

It was rather great taking into account how little she had said. Neither of you spared postive adjectives when describing her capacity to take up the task. Also, it is kind of curious that the first two rep votes go to the same person. (Although, it kind of make sense too that Greenie wanted to make sure her vote counts when she went to sleep...)

Originally Posted by Agan

I don't like it how Lommy seems to exaggerate things that seem rather small to me.

Slight exaggeration has always been a part of my way of talking, you should know that. But honestly, I don't think I've been exaggerating anything in this game.

Originally Posted by Boro

True, but as I noted, if a wolf-Nogrod can't become a rep, it could be an attempt to keep power out of other vocal players who could be trouble for him.

That seems unlikely to me. Kind of goes against the fact that he wants to keep dangerous adversaries around by not killing them during the Nights.

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, it could be a way to get the wolves more involved in the voting, and he's simply masking it under the umbrella of "trying to get more info" from people.

Now, that's a better point. He could very well do that. But you would have to apply that suspicion/accusation to me too since I think I was the first one to bring up the idea of voting people to make them more active.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I must wonder at this. He's basically voting Nogrod because he'd keep quiet players on their toes, but then, I at least would count Gwath among those very same quiet players. I don't know what to think about that, but I felt the need to point it out.

Now that's a good point. Rather interesting... is there an explanation, Gwathie?

I'm going soon, but I will be back well before the deadline to give some more thoughts.

[Boromir88]

But you would have to apply that suspicion/accusation to me too since I think I was the first one to bring up the idea of voting people to make them more active.~Lommy

Are you trying to give me a reason to accuse you?

To Legate, why in Eru's name did you make the phantom your rep?

[Kath]

Eonwe and Greenie are wolves. That's just in my head. I've been reading for about 20 minutes through all the voting of the Reps and all the rest of the chatter and that's what I came out with. However, as I've been reading for 20 minutes I've no idea what I read that made me come to that conclusion! I think it was something in one of Eonwe's early posts but I suspect that if I went back and tried to find it I'd just confuse myself even more.

I am a little confused actually as I had it in my head that once the Reps were voted for only they were able to talk. That's why I thought it would be easier to keep up if you did get elected. The fact that we're on, what, 8 pages now (?), clearly disproves that theory.

The loudmouths are being their usual selves, bar Rune who I see has just turned up so we should see more from him soon. Nog I'm finding that I trust more than usual. It's been a while since I've played with morm and I've lost any ability I might once have had to read him but at the moment I'm not getting anything negative anyway.

Brinn I'm trusting having seen her reaction to being elected. Lommy I'm still trusting as I haven't seen anything to change my mind from earlier.

But really there are just so many people! It's hard getting a fix on anyone at the moment because my mind is a bit frazzled just trying to remember who said what as well as keep up! Perhaps lists are the way to go after all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Maybe I should start campaigning already. . .

If I get your votes at next election I promise to cut down on beaucracy, insincere and overly extensive posting. In short I will vote for people like Nogrod.

[mormegil]

I am almost caught up. Sorry about that, life threw me a curve ball. Anyway those who are sticking out most on my radar are the phantom becuase of his silliness. I've NEVER seen him like this. Legate seems to be trying too hard, if that makes sense, there is something unsettling in his demeanor. Shasta gives off the same feel as Legate. There are some others who give some vibes but not overly so.

Lommy, it's good to know that I'm back being suspected for unfounded reasons...the world is back in order. I somewhat feel the same about you but I'm trying to get over the long history of suspecting you, I think you've taken the Kath role away from her.

[Aganzir]

Garr I suppose it's useless to ask people to post less. But it took me this long to read through it all and write a post.

Guilty
Lommy. I know I tend to suspect her, especially on the first days. And to me she almost always seems overreactive and suspicious. But it happening always is not an excuse for me to put her in the Neither cathegory so she's happily here again.

Originally Posted by Lommy

If we really have to try filibustering, why not toDay when there's (probably) the least action and the smallest chance of lynching a wolf?

I found this comment not necessarily suspicious but weird. Is filibustering something you "really have to try"? Aren't there any possible advantages to it? You say the only purpose you can see it serving is chaos-creating, and I think that's exaggerating.
In addition to that, the following looked a bit overreactive, as did the things concerning the votes Brinn got, which I posted already in my previous post.

Originally Posted by Lommy

To be honest, this whole Boro-phantom-Legate triangle baffles me. What are these guys up to? I don't mean to say that they're evil, nor that even one of them is evil, but such behaviour does make me a little cautious. I would say I'm keeping an eye on them, but in this village, one can hardly avoid paying attention to those three.

For I couldn't really see any triangle between them. Could either Lommy or Shasta, or both, explain to me where it came from.

Eönwë. I think he's always more or less like that, but usually I don't find him suspicious. At least I don't remember doing it, although I may have contributed to his lynching once. However, he feels different this time. Somehow more self-conscious. His remarks seem to come out of the blue and it's hard to read him because he doesn't give much substance.

Shasta. Don't really understand where that phantom-Boro-Legate triangle came from. It reminds me a bit of Nerwolf's "their interaction makes me think there might be a wolf involved" in some game ages ago.

Legate. I don't know. I just somehow don't like him. I'm at a loss as to why he voted against filibusters because I myself can't see anything wrong with them (if someone is filibustering when I want to go to sleep, then I just don't vote), and his anti-phantom thing looked fabricated (which it probably was), as well as his wavering and 180 turn later on. However, his reaction to Boro's questioning looks rather innocentish.

Innocent
phantom. He doesn't give any bad vibes although I am perfectly aware that he could appear innocent even if a wolf. For the sake of my sanity I'm not going to concentrate on him for now, I am sure others will do it more than enough anyway.
Brinn. I agree with her that there shouldn't be very few reps. I'm feeling pretty good about her now that I saw her response to my question why she voted me.
Boro amuses me a lot. He looks innocent and I find myself agreeing with him on several things, but it was the same last time I played with him, and he was a wolf. I'm wary of him based on those past experiences, but I find him more innocent than not for the time being.

Neither
Nog. I won't concentrate on him now, either. Although he has posted a lot, I have hard time trying to get a read on him.
Greenie. It's always difficult for me to form an opinion on her. Somehow I'm a bit uneasy as to why she followed me so quickly on voting Brinn for a rep. Not that it was necessarily suspicious, it just seemed too easy.
Gil. I wrote on his wall on Facebook and told him the game has begun so hopefully he pops up sooner or later.
Ka. No idea. Hasn't posted much about her opinions and suspicions yet.
Cab. Looking forward to seeing your list since it's the second half of the day now.
Kath. No idea.
Di. I noticed the confidence but don't know what to think of it.
sally. No read.
Ilya. Why do you think everybody seems to trust Brinn?
Gwathagor. No idea.
mormegil. No idea.
Nerwen. If it was anyone but Nerwen, I could say I was a bit more inclined to consider her innocent.
Rune. No idea.

**

Okay, I've now proceeded to Page 7. As for the posts made while I was travelling through the thread...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Could be. I have no doubt it will useful to go through all the reasons for the rep votes. But on the other hand, there's lots of other stuff that would be useful too, like for example wolf-hunting...

Err? Your response looks rather empty. About whatever we do here is wolf-hunting, and at least I would consider going through the voting reasons wolf-hunting as well. You seemingly don't.

Originally Posted by Lommy

It was rather great taking into account how little she had said. Neither of you spared postive adjectives when describing her capacity to take up the task. Also, it is kind of curious that the first two rep votes go to the same person.

We didn't spare positive adjectives?

Originally Posted by me

Because I agree with her that the less reps there are, the more room for errors, and because she's a player who is generally trustworthy although I always find her so suspicious, and because she probably won't be the centre of attention.

Originally Posted by Greenie

because she is a good sensible player, seems innocent, and has already received one vote so is certainly through.

I found only one in my post. I can't speak for Greenie but I wouldn't call her use of positive adjectives great trust, either. If we have to vote early and you know it, why on earth are you telling us later that we trusted her way too much given how much she had posted?
I find it worth noticing too that the first votes went to the same person, but I wouldn't call it great trust.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Slight exaggeration has always been a part of my way of talking, you should know that. But honestly, I don't think I've been exaggerating anything in this game.

What if I said I didn't know that?
Of course I can think of situations where you speak in an exaggerating manner. That's probably one of the reasons I suspect you in every game. However, I don't know of it always having been part of your way of talking.
And I do think you've been exaggerating. Trying to make small issues sound bigger than they are.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Shasta. Don't really understand where that phantom-Boro-Legate triangle came from. It reminds me a bit of Nerwolf's "their interaction makes me think there might be a wolf involved" in some game ages ago.

I see I forgot to mention that also Shasta's lack of reasons for voting me contributed to his getting on my Guilty list.

I fail to see why someone's unusual silliness should serve as a reason for suspecting him, morm. At least my own playing style tends to vary from game to game. Then again I haven't played enough with phantom to tell if he always behaves some way and is now the complete opposite.

As for who I am going to vote - I'm known for changing my mind at the last minute (and if I'm not, I should be!) and voting for totally random people based on a whim. But I guess Shasta and Brinn were aware of that.
I have no real ideas yet. If I had to vote now, it'd probably be Lommy, but in the end I'm not sure she's the wisest choice.

If somebody wants to try to convince me to vote in a certain way, they have approximately five hours to do so. After that I'm certainly off to sleep.

edit: xed with Rune. You know, next will be elected the lynchee.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

But that is not an election as such. . . .it is more like getting a death sentence.

[Aganzir]

So? It's decided by vote and people are making campaigns for others. Election, say I.

[Boromir88]

If somebody wants to try to convince me to vote in a certain way, they have approximately five hours to do so. After that I'm certainly off to sleep.~Aganzir

Well, right now if it was forced on me, Legate's at the top, but I have nothing set in stone...I would even say I have nothing written in pencil yet.

The thing that's worrying about Legate it seemed like a pretty grand act at the beginning. What I mean is it may have been partially Legate joking and having fun, but he was making clear in his responses why he doesn't want the phantom (he's too willful, independent...etc) as a representative. Then he goes and does the complete opposite.

The part that's worrying is just how blatant it is, it's right out in the open, for everyone to catch, which makes it look like a big act. On the other hand, since it is so out in the open, it makes Legate look rather innocent. The question is would a wolf-Legate want to be this obvious, this early in the game? Is he trying to pull a double-bluff?

And for the phantom's role in this, I'm really baffled. From what I remember, the phantom does what he thinks is best for his side winning. I don't see this as a wolf-act, because I really don't know how it would benefit a wolf-phantom? I think it would benefit a wolf-Legate more if he were to blatantly attach himself to an innocent phantom, then if the phantom was also in cahoots with Legate.

Ya, that's not really anything, more just some circular rambling.

Some others who are sparking interest...

Rune is making his presense known, now. So far I find him pretty amusing, so I guess that'd make him in the "I don't know" list, if I did have a list.

Agan is calling on her true form, that's good to see, but I will go back and look at this Lommy-Agan back-and-forth, or whatever you want to call it.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Agan's post 282

[Gil-Galad]

i am here, give me some time and i will post my thoughts.

[A Little Green]

Hmmm... I don't know what's the use of me making lists since I'm not a rep, but I'll make one anyway just to annoy you. (And to clear my thoughts a bit, because without a list I'm bound to overlook somebody and I don't like that.)

Agan - Her case on Lommy seems somewhat fabricatied. Though I agree with her that Lommy was exaggerating when talking about our trust in Brinn, I'm not convinced that it's a good reason for suspicion. Neither do I see anything suspicious in Lommy's filibuster post. Her first post toDay looked innocentish, but the whole Lommy-thing makes me wonder.
Boro - He seems okay. Nothing that rings my alarms.
Brinn - Still innocentish and sensible; I don't regret at all choosing her as my rep.
Di - Nothing new.
Eönwë - Agan brings up good points about him. All in all he has been quite slippery and sort of overly universal or non-specific. I'd like to see more of him before forming an opinion, though.
Gil-Galad - Nothing new, sadly.
Gwathagor - I have no idea. He is securely under the reindeer still, except for that Nogrod thing which he hasn't explained yet. Maybe I'll wait for him to comment on that topic before forming any opinions on him. All in all, I'd very much like to see more of him.
Ilya - Seems very innocentish and reasonable.
Leggy - Seems innocent as well. I think his change of opinion regarding phantom looked very innocentish, though he perhaps made too big a show of it. (But then, he's been making a show of things in general in this game, so...) I can't see how would it profit a wolf to do something of that sort.
Lommy - She seems quite okay. Though I don't necessarily like the way she exaggerated my and Agan's support for Brinn, I don't think it indicates to guilt.
Kath - Her latest post baffles me. No, not because she suspects me; but because her suspicion is so strong, comes so out of the blue, and lacks a reason. I have no idea what to think of it, but it's weird.
McCaber - Under Rudolph.
morm - No read.
Nerwen - Seems more like an innocent Nerwen. Knowing her, though, it probably means she is a wolf.
Noggins - Nothing new to say about him, either. Leaning innocent.
Rune - No idea yet, but at least he's amusing.
Sally - Basic Sally. Not suspicious nor strikingly innocentish.
Shasta - I'm torn about him. Both suspicious and innocentish. The triangle thing looks quite bad on him, actually - my guess is that where Lommy referred to a phantom-Boro-Legate triangle she meant that the three interacted a lot with one another and were in the centre of attention, Shasta took it as a suspicion that the three were fellows and grasped it. Please, Shasta and/or Lommy, correct me if I've misread you; but that's how it seemed to me.
Ka - She creeps me out, don't know why.
phantie - No idea.


EDIT: x-ed since Boro

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

So? It's decided by vote and people are making campaigns for others. Election, say I.

I guess it depends on your definition and the normal one would be that election is a process where people vote for a person (or party) fill a position. (and normally you have the option to decline the position)

When we express our preference or for a proposed resolution of an issue it is called a vote. . . . I would say choosing a lynch is a vote rather than an election.

Anyways on to more serious matters, I do think that Boro's thoughts about Legate are interesting and a worthy subject of debate.
I only regret that I have not seen more to Boro of late, I seem to have forgotten how he acts in these kind of situations.

EDIT: Cross Posted with Shasta

[Aganzir]

To be useful I'm going to check Eönwë's posts. He's first because he has relatively few posts and I am lazy.

Eönwë, why did you think Shasta would be voted for a rep? What were these previous game experiences you were talking about? I'm curious.

Some jokes about phantom's excessive posting, the point of which being that no one can get a good read on him because of the number of his posts.

Originally Posted by Eönwë to Shasta

I think it would also amuse Fea to make you a WW, so that everyone will vote you as a rep and then you will vote badly (purposefully).

I fail to see where this came from (apart from "out of the blue"). What was the reason for saying that? Why would Shasta be voted for a rep? Why would Shasta vote badly on purpose if he was a wolf? What does it actually mean to "vote badly"?

Eönwë was against filibusters because "there was no need for them" and "they won't actually help anyone" since we don't know anything. Hey Fea, has the seer got a dream already, or only next night?
However, in the end Eönwë didn't vote against filibusters, asking who he is to stop them if someone wants to waste their filibuster today.

He voted Greenie (good vibes, seems innocent, similar opinions) for rep. Considered voting Nog (reasonable, talks sense) but decided against it because of Nog's time constraits. He considered also Ilya, who seemed to him innocent enough but whom he didn't think he knew well enough yet.
The bad thing with Greenie, in his opinion, was that she had voted for Brinn. For coherency's sake I ask again here the two (I think there were only two) questions I posted earlier: why wouldn't you have voted Brinn? Why did Nog look maybe too helpful? And also, why did you choose these people since as far as I remember you hadn't mentioned any of them earlier. Especially I'm curious about Ilya.

I don't know... Somehow Eönwë's comments seem to be too random, have too little to do with anything else. But most of them are not quite as bad as I remembered them to be, either. I look forward to Eönwë answering my questions and hopefully giving out more of his opinions before taking another step.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hey Fea, has the seer got a dream already, or only next night?

The seer has dreamed.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Eönwë, why did you think Shasta would be voted for a rep? What were these previous game experiences you were talking about? I'm curious.

He always seems to be right (well not about me, but generally). Now people can just latch onto him if they think he's innocent and hope he still has his "psychic powers". Of course, this also allows WW to "latch onto him" and not look suspicious.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I fail to see where this came from (apart from "out of the blue"). What was the reason for saying that? Why would Shasta be voted for a rep? Why would Shasta vote badly on purpose if he was a wolf? What does it actually mean to "vote badly"?

Same idea. He seems to have gained a lot of trust lately (Though not in this game, strangely enough- but I didn't know that at the time!) When I said vote badly, I meant that it is bad for the village.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Why did Nog look maybe too helpful?

Well, he seemed to me a little cautious and not trying to get on anyone's bad side, as well as making points that seem good.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And also, why did you choose these people since as far as I remember you hadn't mentioned any of them earlier. Especially I'm curious about Ilya.

I don't think I really had mentioned anyone so far as a possible candidate. By the time I'd finished catching up I barely had time to post anything, let alone an accurate representation of what I thought of everybody. And Ilya just seemed like an innocent-ish person that time, with nothing making her suspicious in my eyes.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by the phantom

*sigh*

Let's get this over with.

++Legate for Rep

This hardly seems to be the attitude of logic and confidence regarding your vote that you presented in post #324. Which one is the reality?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Shasta - I really, did not like some of his posts recently (around the time I voted) and I really, really, really don't like the vote for Aganzir - a kind of throwaway (in the sense: for somebody who was not around almost at all, a vote likely to disappear, while still not bringing Shasta into attention by that he wouldn't vote at all - a vote of a Wolf who is afraid to vote for a comrade, but afraid to vote for a "strong" player)? Wolf-on-wolf? Out of nowhere? vote.

These suspicions seem fabricated to me. Which posts in particular didn't you like, and why? Aganzir has been talking quite a bit toDay, so I'm entirely sure what you mean by "a vote likely to disappear." Had Aganzir been relatively quiet prior to the first DL? I can't remember. Maybe I'll check later.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

There seem to be only one question that needs to be asked: Why would anyone vote for Brinniel?

Because she's a good player? Why are you opposed to Brinniel as a representative?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Now that's a good point. Rather interesting... is there an explanation, Gwathie?

Not really. I haven't posted much yet because I am in the process of directing a play, i.e. I am busy. I'll try to post more in future Days. Speaking of which...I need to go do some blocking before the rehearsal.

[Kath]

Having just read the last post: Gwath, Rune said at the top of that post that nothing he was saying including that comment was actually based on the game, it was simply a first post nonsense thing.

Can I ask, what do the representatives actually want us to do? I mean obviously we can't vote but do you want to know who we would vote for if we could to help you make your decisions? Basically - do you want your votes to be based on the feelings of the whole village or are you on your own, votes based on your thoughts/gut feelings depending on which you use? It would just be nice to get an idea of how this is going to work.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kath

Having just read the last post: Gwath, Rune said at the top of that post that nothing he was saying including that comment was actually based on the game, it was simply a first post nonsense thing.

Oh. I wondered what that title meant. Thank you.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kath

Can I ask, what do the representatives actually want us to do? I mean obviously we can't vote but do you want to know who we would vote for if we could to help you make your decisions? Basically - do you want your votes to be based on the feelings of the whole village or are you on your own, votes based on your thoughts/gut feelings depending on which you use?

Good that you asked as I was just about to make a short post asking for your opinions as thtree of us will have to vote within an hour or two.

The way I see it - and the way I'm going to act unless shown being totally wrong with my ideas - is that as a representative I will be the sole responsible person concerning my vote and I have no escape whatsoever to hide my vote behind what you people say. That's the position of a representative (you pick us, we pick the lynchee - and stand behind our votes).

But I'm the most willing to hear your views concerning suspicions if not for anything else then just for the fact that this thread is already such a megalomaniac thing that I would never have time to concentrate on all the things said. So you (and I when I'm not a rep) have a duty to bring forth ideas, suspicions, point out inconsistencies, tell about your hunches... and then the rep's make the choice.

So the villagers do their best to help and the representatives make the decisions based on the info they have gathered themselves, the info they have gotten from the villagers and other representatives and at the last stand relying on their own judgement.

And if one is not happy with a representative's judgement one does not vote for that one any more - and has a liberty to encourage others to not vote for that person either.

That's how I see it.

Uhh... X'd with a host of novellas...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Don't really understand where that phantom-Boro-Legate triangle came from. It reminds me a bit of Nerwolf's "their interaction makes me think there might be a wolf involved" in some game ages ago.

Funny, that... it reminds me of it too. But I noticed the thing they (Lommy and Shasta) are talking about too. I'll accept Boro's correction at #271:
the three of them were interacting and very "chummy", but the actually peculiar stuff was between Legate and the phantom... that is, the way they reversed their opinions of other seemed sort of staged.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ilya. Why do you think everybody seems to trust Brinn?

Because two people voted for her, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nerwen. If it was anyone but Nerwen, I could say I was a bit more inclined to consider her innocent.

Thanks, Agan, I love you too.

EDIT:x'd with Agan and A Voice from Beyond the Grave.