Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

I could cancel your participation in this village permanently. I win. ~Fea

Drat, I should have learned my lesson from Mith, to never cross paths with a woman when moddessfire is on the line.

[Boromir88]

There you go Nerwen, putting us back to work.

Anyway, my thoughts, are Agan's harmless. Unless you're a wolf, because she's a pretty intense investigator and interrogator.

Edit: P.S. Oh great, I probably just signed Agan's death warrant now. Sorry my lady.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

P.S. Oh great, I probably just signed Agan's death warrant now. Sorry my lady.

If you did, then I'm going to be ticked. Seriously- if Agan's dead tomorrow I will attack you without mercy!

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Fea

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

Indeed, it's a very basic principle that all guys need to understand going into a relationship.

See, if you show your lady that she's wrong she becomes angry. And when people in general get angry they lose some of their rational reasoning skills. So, as she loses those skills you'll start scoring more points in the argument. And that will cause her to be even angrier. Eventually she'll be too angry to see the truth no matter how wrong she is, because you can't think straight when you're super upset.

Thus in her mind there is literally no way you can ever win an argument. If she's right then she's right and you lose. If she's wrong then she gets so mad that you can't convince her so you still lose.

Pretty simple really.

[Nerwen]

I'm not getting any strong wolf-vibes from her either... but I'm thinking I can't trust her judgement in this game now whatever she is.

There. Signature erased.

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #768.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shouldn't be immensely difficult to rhyme with "ay-on-way".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Shouldn't be immensely difficult to rhyme with "ay-on-way".

Psh. Way too late. I already wrote the poem with Steve as its subject.

[Nerwen]

While I'm at it, Boro, if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you.

EDIT" x'd with Fea and Shasta.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Drat, I should have learned my lesson from Mith, to never cross paths with a woman when moddessfire is on the line.

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

[Boromir88]

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

True statement, but can you in some way shape that to be a Princess Bride reference? I don't think so, therefor the more valuable lesson is the one that you can remember.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You think I can't shape a statement any way I want it should the mood strike me? Inconceivable.

[Boromir88]

tp...what is it that you said about questioning your means but never your motives? You should really read your own book.

[Boromir88]

You think I can't shape a statement any way I want it should the mood strike me? Inconceivable.~Fea

I don't believe I've ever understimated your skill.

[Boromir88]

While I'm at it, Boro, if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you.~Nerwen

No need, I'm going to move to strike this entire lame duck period off the record, and therefor it would have never existed.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Drat, I should have learned my lesson from Mith, to never cross paths with a woman when moddessfire is on the line.

Apparently, I was dangerous to cross long before Werewolf....

[Nerwen]

There was a time before Werewolf?

[Thinlómien]

Alright, Nerwen, your explanation makes sense. I will now rightaway admit that I'm partly so suspicious of Boro and tp because I didn't understand their ploy and feel a little dumb right now. But that is not to say there isn't anything fishy in their behaviour.

Originally Posted by tp

Oh, you don't say? You should really go ask Dancing Spawn about the time I tried to set her up to die. I was an Ordo in that game too.
Lommy and Nogrod might remember that. It was in their WerePenguin game.
I believe I also lied that I was the Hunter in that game. But no doubt lying about being the Hunter means that you can't possibly be innocent in your book.

I don't remember you doing that, but I do remember the hunter-ploy. But whatever you did back then has hardly any importance now - if you really did set up Agan to die you would have done even if it was your first attempt at getting innocents killed in this manner.

But anyway, what I was intending to talk about was this whole Boro-phantom mess. There are (surprisngly) three options:

1) They're both innocent and did indeed intentionally cause Aganzir's death to protect the seer and remove an innocent lynch target.

2) They're both guilty, and are having a little joke and enjoying it tremendously, or then just trying to cover their tracks.

3) One of them is a wolf and tricking the other while laughing evilly. (As a sidenote, if this is the case, they totally deserve it and we others should let them quarrel in peace. )

Originally Posted by the phantom

So, Agan died. I'm sad, because I trusted her. Plus she's all smart and pretty and stuff.
But on the bright side I wasn't killed. So guess what? You all get one more day of Phantom!

Sounds like tp set Agan up for the kill so that he would survive never mind the seer...

And is this, in any way, more than a little contradictory?

Originally Posted by Boro

Oh just my luck, I hope the wolves really don't think the intelligent villagers will fall for such an obvious trick?

Originally Posted by Boro

Nice job, tp, I should have known you would have caught on. I thought you were going to start a Nog/Boro war and get me lynched. Well, maybe I'm speaking too soon.

So, first Boro is the victim of a wolvish staging to make him look guilty, and then he's a cunning ww played who was intending to get ordo-Aganzir killed all along?

Originally Posted by tp

4) The Seer has almost certainly checked us by now.

Really, forget about that nonsense. Why would s/he have? Many seers leave loud players aloud just because it's easier to read them or they might get killed and focus on the submarines...

All this talk of tp's troubles me. He's using heavy means of allying himself with Boro and his arguments and ploys are rather wild. He may claim he did intentionally get Agan killed. That might be true. But it's just as probable that he just made this explanation up afterwards, or even worse, had it all planned in his wolvish mind all along... I don't trust him, at all. All that - the wolves falling for his "masterful" ploy etc - just looks a bit too smooth...


edit: xed with Nerwen

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am back, I have read throught the posts and I have come up with nothing.

And in my despair all I could think about is how fun it would be to dubble lynch Boromir and The Phantom.

One thing that has me worried is this tendencie to make long so called analysis which conclude very little and offer no explanation to how the conclution is reached.
It always makes me look an extra time when people make a lot of work and end up with very little product.

[Boromir88]

Boro's "ooh see they tried to frame me" looks just so false. I don't think Agan's death points at Boro especially, so he just seems to be exaggerating way too much.~Lommy

I wanted to kill the plot before one could even be started.

I mean look at it, the wolves fell into it. They thought ooh we get rid of Agan, who is interrogating and asking too many question, and we get this Nog/Boro/the phantom war! Killing several of us with one stone. (Oh and yes, I do believe Nog is innocent now too).

For some reason I believe Fea would get an immense joy out of all the loud mouths killing eachother off...imagine the posting and chaos? But, ha, I say to you Fea, I have caught on to your plot as well. The phantom is thus innocent, and I feel better about Nogrod. I shall redirect my attention eslewhere.

[Boromir88]

I see Rune's back, and I have a question for you sir...

I don't know why, but apparently I am incabable of picking up on seer hints and such, so Aganzir's death came as suprise to me.

Are you saying you didn't believe Agan was the seer, but the wolves obviously killed her because they thought she was the seer, leading you to be surprised about her death? Is this a slip Rune? It really doesn't make sense, if you didn't pick up on Agan's seer hints, what makes you think that's what the wolves were trying to do?

Edit: crossed with morm twice.

[Boromir88]

Morm, I do not work hand-in-hand with wolves, I am the most vicious, turn on my buddies wolf, sans Nogrod. I have no qualms about lynching wolf-buddies if it benefits me.

And before someone says how suspicious this is for me to say this, and I'm obviously playing mind games, I'm only playing mind games on the wolves. If you're not a wolf, there's no reason you should think I am double-triple bluffing right now. Well if you want to, then that's your own prerogative.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Morm, I do not work hand-in-hand with wolves, I am the most vicious, turn on my buddies wolf, sans Nogrod. I have no qualms about lynching wolf-buddies if it benefits me.

And before someone says how suspicious this is for me to say this, and I'm obviously playing mind games, I'm only playing mind games on the wolves. If you're not a wolf, there's no reason you should think I am double-triple bluffing right now. Well if you want to, then that's your own prerogative.

Yes, you would only turn IF it benefits you and so far it has not.

Then for you to ask me to sit quietly and not worry about what your doing is absurd..."there there morm, us big people are doing our thing, don't worry about us unless your a wolf." That seems to be a thinly veiled threat that to suspect you will bring death to those who do.

I have no reason to not suspect you Boro. So when I see mindgames happening, which you and phantom claim are I begin to question. When I see two people working together like you and phantom are I really question it. You are both brazen enough to pull of a stunt like this.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I mean look at it, the wolves fell into it. They thought ooh we get rid of Agan, who is interrogating and asking too many question, and we get this Nog/Boro/the phantom war! Killing several of us with one stone. (Oh and yes, I do believe Nog is innocent now too).

I need to think about this - and actually read the posts from late yesterDay and early toDay with a closer eye (I just skimmed the thread through as I got home) before saying anything more substantial. If I can do that.

I do have a feeling though that quite an interesting game of chess was played there between the last hours of yesterDay and the early hours of toDay - or then we are actually being led to believe that was the case which is kind of saying there was a game but a different one from what we think. So who were the players and who were played with?

When I saw tp keenly anticipating the Boro/Nog-war it made me suspect him heavily and somewhat lessened my suspicions on Boro. I'm not afraid to go to war if it needs to be done, but when some people are looking forwards to it, like it would be their entertainment, I do smell a rat.

Okay. I need to make some dinner and I will then read the last pages again before trying to give my two cents on those chess-games.

[mormegil]

In catching up, no I never read the last page or two of yesterday's crap as it seemed almost wholly irrelevant. I skimmed what time would allow but I was annoyed enough at the triviality of the posts that a skimming was all I had time for.

Anyway, the Boro/Phantom relationship is increasingly bothering me. I see that Lommy is of the same persuasion as I. It just seems rather odd to me that they would be so close and trusting. Both of them are being that way and any questioning they do, which has been minimal, has been token at best. I don't trust anybody ever that much and it just seems odd to me that they do. I think they could both be wolves and are having a joyous time at our expense. They continue to lay the obvious bait in front of us but we have been reluctant to take it, as they knew we would. Phantom talks of big grand schemes that he is masterminding but I don't see it, rather I see two cohorts who are working hand in hand. And now phantom seems almost giddy like he did on day 1 which is concerning. I don't feel that way, I don't think things are going so great for us that I can afford to be giddy. Yes, we still have our seer, but there is no way of knowing is he/she has bagged even a single wolf, we surely haven't.

Nerwen's 'that's predictable' statement does nothing to allay my fears. I understand the explination somewhat but the way in which her and Boro came out firing on those seems odd and I already suspected Nerwen and again this does not help.

Brinn, thank you for those quotes and analysis. I had noticed the way in which Agan stopped suspecting Lommy so if we assume the wolves went after Agan for potential seerism I think is safe to assume that Lommy is innocent. I haven't felt overly worried about Lommy but this adds some credibility to my assumption.

[mormegil]

Oh, I forgot to mention that Nerwen is doing some major back-tracking after her initial comments today.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I see what you are saying Morm and if anybody would be daring enough to hide in the open, it would be Boromir and The Phantom. . . Even so I am not quite convinced that it is the case. I have seen it more times that daring innocents have paired up like this, than I have seen it done by wolves and thus my personal experience tells me they are innocent. Anyways I will try to keep an open mind.

Originally Posted by Boromir

Are you saying you didn't believe Agan was the seer, but the wolves obviously killed her because they thought she was the seer, leading you to be surprised about her death? Is this a slip Rune? It really doesn't make sense, if you didn't pick up on Agan's seer hints, what makes you think that's what the wolves were trying to do?

I am saying that I did not see any signs to Aganzir being the seer and therefor I did not predict nor expect her death, as it seemed Nerwen and others had.

EDIT: Cross posted with Nogrod