Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

Alternatively, (assuming that Ditto and Dotto are innocent and telling the truth) if they assumed Agan was innocent she would have been the easiest to get night killed. The other players (for example, Ka, Gil, Kath, etc) would take a lot more work to get enough night kill attention drawn their way because they've been so quiet.~sally

Thank you, I forgot to mention that in my last post...or at least Gil. The phantom tried to get Gil set up as a wolf-target but was forced to explain, thus rendering the plan useless.

Edit: crossed with tp. (by tp I mean Lommy); how I got those too confused no idea.

Oh and sally you're good in my book today.

[Boromir88]

Funnily, I'm feeling good about morm and Nog. Probably because they share my doubts considering Boro and tp.~Lommy

I would look back on what you said back to day 1...

Which means I'm not going to vote anyone who seems too sane to be my representative.

I assume you were very well having some fun, maybe joking, but don't take someone who seems "together" and making sense as being innocent. Don't make that mistake. ::hint, hint::

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I assume you were very well having some fun, maybe joking, but don't take someone who seems "together" and making sense as being innocent. Don't make that mistake. ::hint, hint::

Actually, I was serious, but I was merely talking about Day1 back then, if I recall correctly. Of course, what you say is always a good advice in these games...

edit: xed with morm

[Boromir88]

And Boro's flip-flopping more:~Lommy

You know as well as I do flip-flopping is not a crime, you're admittingly one of the biggest flip-floppers around, and yet always innocent.

[Boromir88]

I would rather lynch Boro over phantom as I think if only one is a wolf I would think it to be Boro.~morm

Where did the consistant and gathered morm go? Just recently you said you're not all that suspicious, now suddenly the phantom or myself has to be a wolf, and of those two it's most likely me? You've been poking at tp all game, but now you want me lynched over him?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Where did the consistant and gathered morm go? Just recently you said you're not all that suspicious, now suddenly the phantom or myself has to be a wolf, and of those two it's most likely me? You've been poking at tp all game, but now you want me lynched over him?

Things change Boro, tp has been odd and your little buddy-buddy relationship has bothered me. Your reactions are conving me more and more of your guilt. Now it seems that you are willing to turn on tp to get him lynched over you...odd you just said when you are a wolf you are willing to turn on your mates if it's to your advantage.

[Boromir88]

Now it seems that you are willing to turn on tp to get him lynched over you.~morm

Now you sir are putting words in my mouth. I asked you why you suddenly want me lynched over tp, I have not in any way thrown him under the bus.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

You know as well as I do flip-flopping is not a crime, you're admittingly one of the biggest flip-floppers around, and yet always innocent.

Oh, I wasn't really seriously believing in your guilt before, but you're starting to make me more convinced. That is not a very good defense, dear sir. That does not in any way explain your actions. Just elaborate a little. Like "I forgot that..." or something. Also, you replied nothing when I commented about your earlier contradiction...

~*~

Ok, now a list.

Innocentish
Brinn, Rune, Greenie, Kath - it's just the general tone of their posts, and a gut-feeling. I'm well aware, though, that they might be slipping under my radar too.
morm - I don't know, he just seems very innocent toDay.
Shasta - however fishy you others find him, I have to admit it, I trust him.

Middle
Nerwen - I used to consider her rather innocent but something, maybe the general mood in this village, has made me more doubtful. Also, I know she's so terribly horribly sneaky as a wolf that I'd do right in distrusting her a little.
Gil, Gwath, THE Ka - not enough material to go on.
Nogrod - I think he seems rather innocent now, but he has been rather suspicious in the past... He's curiously distant in this game and I can't get a proper read on him.
Ilya - looks more innocent now. I'm not ready to bury all my doubts of her yet, though.
Sally - more like traditional innocent sally than traditional evil sally, but she could really just be either. She makes me raise my eyebrows a little from time to time, like that long explanation of hers of why Nerwen's guilty really didn't make any sense to me.

Suspicious
phantom, Boro - (surprise surprise ) I don't like all this ploy stuff of theirs. I think it's totally possible that just one of them is a wolf (and it's even possible they're both innocent, but for that they're acting pretty darn suspiciously) but it would be difficult to say which one since they both have suspicious traits of their own on top of those that they share. Tp seems somehow a little detached, throws around weird arguments, is over-eager to defend himself and dismisses suspicions against him on weak grounds. Boro keeps flip-flopping and seems to avoid stuff.

In conclusion: I have very little idea who to vote for a rep. I'd be tempted of picking one of those that strike me as innocent but slip under my radar but I don't really know.. somehow I'd be more comfortable voting either morm or Shasta. Oh, I need to think and also, I need to see who my rep-candidates suspect and how and why... Also, I must say I'm not content at all with only finding tp and Boro suspicious. I dn't want to get too focused on them.
But anyway, now I'm going and handing the keyboard over to Greenie...


edit: mass-exd

[Boromir88]

If 3 is true then congrats to Boro. You're playing awesome.~the phantom

Ditto to you sir.

Like "I forgot that..." or something. Also, you replied nothing when I commented about your earlier contradiction...~Lommy

I don't take the time to respond to those baseless accusations. I fail to see how it was a contradiction, I was asking Rune to clarify what he said, it had nothing to do with what I thought about Agan and her death.

Boro keeps flip-flopping and seems to avoid stuff.~Lommy

I thought you would have known by now, I have an answer and explanation for everything when I'm a wolf. I can make every piece of the story fit together. I don't have all the answers Lommy, give me a couple days and maybe I will. Right now I have no clue who are the wolves, but I have a good feeling on a couple people I think are innocent, and there's a place to start. I'm not conventional, and I don't play it safe, you don't like that fine, but at least try to distinguish the difference between mindgames that try to baffle wolves, and mindgames that intentionally lead the village astray.

Edit: crossed with the phantom.

[Boromir88]

You'll love this one too Lommy, I'm actually in the process of another ploy right now, but if I told you right now, I'd have to kill you - or well make sure you wouldn't tell the world.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Phantom

blah blah whine whine

Is that not what you are doing?

People start to question you and you start whining "sob sob I am the one trying the hardest, people don't get me sob sob"

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

But anyway, what I was intending to talk about was this whole Boro-phantom mess. There are (surprisngly) three options:

1) They're both innocent and did indeed intentionally cause Aganzir's death to protect the seer and remove an innocent lynch target.

2) They're both guilty, and are having a little joke and enjoying it tremendously, or then just trying to cover their tracks.

3) One of them is a wolf and tricking the other while laughing evilly. (As a sidenote, if this is the case, they totally deserve it and we others should let them quarrel in peace.)

If 2 was true then we'd get totally busted by the Seer.

If 3 is true then congrats to Boro. You're playing awesome.

But logically option 1 makes the most sense. And if option 1 is true then that means Boro and I are trying harder than anyone in this village to bring about victory. Yeah, so let's lynch us.

Originally Posted by me

4) The Seer has almost certainly checked us by now.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Really, forget about that nonsense. Why would s/he have?

Now, all of this nonsense about questioning my Seer dream statements. To me, it seems as if you're asking, "You seem sure that you've been a dream already. Who is the Seer, Phantom?"

Well, I don't think I need to tell you that I'm not about to touch that question.

Originally Posted by Lommy

He may claim he did intentionally get Agan killed. That might be true. But it's just as probable that he just made this explanation up afterwards, or even worse, had it all planned in his wolvish mind all along... I don't trust him, at all. All that - the wolves falling for his "masterful" ploy etc - just looks a bit too smooth...

Indeed, I did set up Agan to get killed.

I was originally trying to set up Gil, but your sister managed to throw a wrench in that ploy. So instead I tried to set up Agan. Good thing you weren't around or you probably would've tried to sabotage it.

And as far as the "the wolves falling" for the ploy- that is possibly what happened. Or it is also possible that the kill was made for reasons of their own, but happened to fit nicely with what I was trying to accomplish. There's no way to know.

Originally Posted by morm

It just seems rather odd to me that they would be so close and trusting.

It's nothing we haven't done before.

As a matter of fact, I can recall a game (I think it was another of Fea's) where Boro and I reached a complete understanding on the very first day.

Sorry, but that's just how we roll.

Originally Posted by Nog

Anyway, whatever your role is you can probably count your Days to be numbered pretty soon.

I'm counting on it. I plan on being Wolf-bait tonight. Unless Boro beats me for the honors, in which case I shall find my rest the following night.

(to be continued....)

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I do have a feeling though that quite an interesting game of chess was played there

Yes! Indeed there was!

And you'll notice that part of it was meant to keep you alive as well. The whole Boro-Nog war that I threatened... that was a complete bluff. I have no intention of starting one. I never did. But I was hoping that it might help the WWs think that it would be beneficial to leave you and Boro alive through the Night.

Originally Posted by Green

I don't like the way the two of them trust each other so easily. I believe I even asked it once, and the answer had something to do with ploys...

Yes, the reason why I'm really trusting him at this point is that he appears to have caught onto my ploys and not attempted to ruin them, while at the same time running similar ploys of his own.

I've heard plenty of people say they don't like ploys, blah blah whine whine- but the fact is they have worked beautifully in the past, and have possibly already aided us in this village. So seriously, who cares if you don't like them?

Originally Posted by Shasta

completely ignoring the fact that he himself is probably the biggest distraction of all, so by that logic, should have tried to get himself killed.

I wanted one more day.

I got it.

So tonight, I do indeed hope to leave the village honorably via Wolf-kill.

Originally Posted by Shasta

If you were going to try that ploy, why not on Gil, Gwath, or Ka?

Did you read yesterday at all? I did try it with Gil.