Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

People should be more sportive by the way. This is getting a bit boring.

Yes being that I was part of the conversation, though not an active voter in the conversations of the 4 wolves I must say that this is what kept you alive tummy....pstt Lommy, that was a good bluff you pulled off calling Nogrod out like that when he and the others killed McCaber, you almost made me believe you weren't part of the conversation.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

If you are just an ordo as you claim how come you speak of you two betting on something right there? Aren't you two following a plan you have written together?

Pretty much. But that doesn't mean we've been PMing.

Originally Posted by Nog

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.

Originally Posted by Nog

Btw., I'm making a prediction: believe it or not but Boro will be alive toMorrow. I know it.

Now that would be quite interesting.

Originally Posted by morm

I confess that I am not an 'innocent' villager but I also confess that I am not a wolf, Fea organized a special role for me one which I relished. There was a reason I was going after Boromir so loudly and vocally, I tell you all I want to be lynched, it will be quite fun to see your reactions to what will happen.

I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by me

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

Originally Posted by the phantom

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

You're right, in case it's a traditional werebear that is...

Originally Posted by tp

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.

Now you're taking the easy road once more tp. Why isn't Gil modfired? Any ideas about that? If a wolf, Boro would have to take some drastic moves as he is a certain seer target - so how nice if Gil indeed is the seer and he can roam free with his "revealment"? And face it, with no seer-revealment at this point of the game one could actually bet on that. I mean it's not that huge if actually. Looking at Boro alive this late and no seer revealing makes it quite probable indeed.

Originally Posted by tp

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.

I kind of remember there being a false seer that had a certain percentage of the dreams right and wrong. And anyway, you can't know his dream on Agan to be a fact indeed. He might have easily fabricated the Agan stuff as her role was generally known before he "revealed"!

And with you... well how do we know what you are? So we can't just assume you're honest just like that even if you trail a "revealed" seer - and even if you were an innocent, he could have just guessed it.

Originally Posted by tp

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

Be my guest.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're right, in case it's a traditional werebear that is...

Now you're taking the easy road once more tp. Why isn't Gil modfired? Any ideas about that? If a wolf, Boro would have to take some drastic moves as he is a certain seer target - so how nice if Gil indeed is the seer and he can roam free with his "revealment"? And face it, with no seer-revealment at this point of the game one could actually bet on that. I mean it's not that huge if actually. Looking at Boro alive this late and no seer revealing makes it quite probable indeed.

I kind of remember there being a false seer that had a certain percentage of the dreams right and wrong. And anyway, you can't know his dream on Agan to be a fact indeed. He might have easily fabricated the Agan stuff as her role was generally known before he "revealed"!

And with you... well how do we know what you are? So we can't just assume you're honest just like that even if you trail a "revealed" seer - and even if you were an innocent, he could have just guessed it.


Be my guest.

Nogrod– it is true that, with Boromir's history of successful gifted impersonation, I believe no claim of his should be accepted without a lot of scrutiny– but I really don't see what good it would do him... Okay, there's the standard trick to lure the real Seer out.... but no such person has come forward.

You say, that's because it's Gil... but that would require the wolves to be virtually certain it was. So why wouldn't they have eaten him last Night?

What else could it be? A Borowolf trying to take an innocent phantom down with him? But all that does is buy the last wolf an extra Day or so which he wouldn't have needed if Boromir hadn't done this.

EDIT: x'd with Brin and some phantoms.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Jerk!

Oh I confessed did I, ummmm just remember this is a Fea game and anything is possible...*laughs manically*

Yes, morm, you confessed. Here is your quite unambiguous confession:

#1245

Originally Posted by mormegil

Okay all I can say is if I were able I would kill my fellow wolves myself. I wanted to kill you since night 1 but didn't assert myself well enough. To find the last wolf just look for the guy who's eating his boot.

Originally Posted by mormegil

I'm fine with dying because this lynch will buy those I work for more time, so of course I'm willing to confess. I do not know who the others are, I cannot be sure of Nogrod, all I know is that I was given a special role from Fea because she knew I would be one dreamt of and then the fun would begin....

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

So, you're the village Jedi, morm? I thought that was Legate.

Look, if you want to be lynched so badly, why tell us all this? Why not just say, "yes, I'm a wolf"? I think you're bluffing.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Look, if you want to be lynched so badly, why tell us all this? Why not just say, "yes, I'm a wolf"? I think you're bluffing.

Just ask Boro how much fun it is to hide right under your nose. I have no doubt that Boro is likely the seer and I have no doubt that he dreamt of me and thought he saw a wolf but it's fun to tell you all the truth and have nobody believe me.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by tp

Here's a summary, Brin.

Boro=Seer
tp=innocent
Nog=WW
morm=WW

We're going to double-lynch the Wolves. Everyone has already voted for their Reps according to our double-lynch voting plan. After you cast your vote for Boro then I will cast the final vote and our set up will be complete.

Yes, I only got halfway through the Day before getting interrupted by a phone call, but I think I got the idea pretty early on. And if I hadn't figured it out by the end of page 32, I would be pretty dense.

++Boro for rep

We have enough No Filibuster votes to eliminate that possibility, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyways, I'm off to finish catching up. There's so much to read...and I have this horrible habit of skimming.

[Nerwen]

Well, Brinn, the only major development is that morm has now semi-retracted his confession and is saying he isn't a wolf but something else evil which

a.) appears to the Seer as a wolf

and

b.) will become extraordinarily powerful if lynched, sealing the village's doom.

As I said, he's most likely bluffing.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

Now the great part of it is this, I can sit here and tell you that you will all be shocked and that I want to be lynched and know that none of you will believe me and it will make you want to lynch me all the more but trust me, you will be shocked when you find out what happens.

[the phantom]

Your Gil assumption is too much of a leap for a WW to be willing to make.

Not to mention that it would accomplish nothing, as the village would lynch Boro the day after he is proven to be false.

Originally Posted by morm

Now the great part of it is this, I can sit here and tell you that you will all be shocked and that I want to be lynched and know that none of you will believe me and it will make you want to lynch me all the more but trust me, you will be shocked when you find out what happens.

If dear Fea has decided to throw something terrible at us without warning, that is her choice. But we must function as if we know the rules unless we are told otherwise by the puppet master.

[the phantom]

Hey Boro, I was just thinking...

What if Shasta had voted me to my death yesterday and then you bit the dust during the Night? It easily could have happened.

I'd say if the village pulls out a victory, Shasta deserves a heap of praise.

[Brinniel]

Hello,

I've been in classes all day and only just got in. I haven't read anything yet, so I'm a bit behind.

So what there...four pages to read? You guys post too darned much. I better get started. *runs off*

[the phantom]

Here's a summary, Brin.

Boro=Seer
tp=innocent
Nog=WW
morm=WW

We're going to double-lynch the Wolves. Everyone has already voted for their Reps according to our double-lynch voting plan. After you cast your vote for Boro then I will cast the final vote and our set up will be complete.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But we must function as if we know the rules unless we are told otherwise by the puppet master.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Heh, that sort of reminds me of the last WW game...

It didn't turn out so well for Fea and Eomer either.

I was so in love with the idea of being the village prostitute... Everybody's Lover...

Modding has its privileges.

[Brinniel]

I just realised we're back to having the phantom telling us what to do.

It's like Dueling Wizards all over again...

[mormegil]

++Tummy for rep...that's right Tummy aka phantom but Tummy is much cuter and fits his charm and wit

At a minimum I don't want to give tummy the knowledge that he did the actual voting on this.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I just realised we're back to having the phantom telling us what to do.

It's like Dueling Wizards all over again...

Lord have mercy.

You know he loves it. Despite his all protests over being made a distraction yesterDay.

[Brinniel]

Gil-Galad: How horribly unsporty it would be if he were the last wolf, but I somehow doubt it.

Greenie: I'm still not sure about her, but she seem particularly suspicious. I like that she bothered to put up her thoughts on other players toDay rather than just disappear...but that doesn't particularly mean she's innocent.

Gwathagor: Gah, why is it he always seems to fall under my radar? Perhaps because his posts are shorter and less than most? It's discomforting that I haven't seen much substance from him.

Ilya: I don't really like how she pops in, votes, then disappear...but it looks like it was done for RL reasons, so I can't blame her for that. I admit I haven't been paying much attention to her though, so I better start keeping a better eye on her.

Lommy: I still think the possible reasons behind Aganzir's death makes her more likely innocent than suspicious.

Kath: She only made one post toDay and that was her vote post...then she disappeared without explanation. That makes me a bit wary.

Nerwen: Hmm...I'm not very sure about her. She's another I need to have a better look at.

Rune: The tone of his posts don't sit right with me. He seems rather negative since we most likely just bagged three wolves in two Days.

Sally: Her idea to try a triple lynch is rather weird. As frustrating as Gil's absence is, the thought of a triple lynch seems too risky to me. And as long as Boro's being truthful, we should only have one wolf left by the end of toDay. So why the rush to lynch a third person (who I think is probably innocent)?

Boromir: I probably would've doubted him had I been here early in the Day, but with morm's "confession" and Nogrod acting just as absurd, I don't see how Boro could be anything but truthful. Yeah, and I was so convinced that he was a wolf yesterDay.

the phantom: I still don't like how he bosses us around...but because I believe Boro, I will begrudgingly follow his orders.

mormegil: Fenrir Greyback

Nogrod: My, my, what big teeth you have...

EDIT: X-ed since morm's vote

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

Now, son, that happens to be the only way a werebear-type character ever won.

[mormegil]

Rikae, I would also like to state that the voting polls don't really open for another 10 hours so any vote received before that is null and void.

[Thinlómien]

Looks like having three wolves bagged makes others than just me incredibly lazy... I will start going through the wolves' posts. I'll start with... THE Ka.

[Thinlómien]

Ka's opinions on other people:

Day1
#66 calls McC modest, jokes with tp, calls Ilya's point about votes good, banters with Shasta&Agan
#104 agrees with Boro about history being a bad excuse, agrees with tp that reps should be independent.
#138 disagress with me by saying she will vote someone non-quiet and non-veteran as her rep
#170 corrects Nogrod about the number of her posts, says she's tempted to vote Ilya for rep, votes Boro for rep.
#342 agrees with Gwath about casinos, some stuff about Nogrod (it hardly matters what she said and her sentence didn't make much sense to me...), says she will keep an eye on Legate, wonders about Kath but says she feels rather innocent that far, doesn't suspect Agan, says Shasta seems interesting and agrees with him.

Day2
#561 says McCaber was a safe kill, agrees with me about everybody thinking sally innocent being weird but has no distinctive opinion on her, also agrees with me that Nerwen seems innocentish, jokes about tp, votes me as a rep because I'm interested and able, also considers voting Nerwen

Day3
#972 agrees with Rune about Nog being odd, agrees with tp about being nice
#978 votes Greenie for rep because "she’ll poke better than the Spanish inquisition", agrees with tp&Boro that wolves are enjoying the current situation, says that it's convenient for the wolves that we only talk about Boro&tp
#1073 speculates with Rune about why an innocent would lay traps (suggests impersonating hunter)

That's all of it. Not much...
I don't think this points at anything at all. I think no conclusions can be drawn from Ka's attitude to people before Nog and morm's posts are analysed, if even then..

[mormegil]

Lommy I can save you the time and effort of looking, if you just ask nicely I'll tell you who the wolves are.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Let's look at this thing with Gil once more.

After all those patronizing remarks on his posting there followed this kind of interchanges. Just think of it yourselves how would you have felt getting all this because you had missed the voting-time?

Originally Posted by Shasta

Do I need to point out the contradiction here, or can you find it yourself?

Originally Posted by Greenie

he seems quite a bit confused and self-contradicting.

Originally Posted by Sally

I just read the rest of Gil's post(s). Is it just me or does he make even less sense than Phantom?

Originally Posted by Gil

i was just defending myself from being called a further idiot...

and yes i admit i messed up with the voting, my bad.

i had a feeling this was going to be a bad idea... maybe i should just step out of the game now before it becomes too late.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Shasta and Gil, you're amusing me an awful lot.

Originally Posted by Gil

the last thing i want is to insult people, and if i am inadvertently doing that and i don't realize it, then i must excuse myself from the rest of the game.

EDIT: the whole "its underlined" part makes me feel like you are calling me an idiot and thats what made me go more defensive, so to say.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I apologize if I made it seem like I was insulting your intelligence.

Originally Posted by Gil

more of a slap in the face then anything.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm thoroughly enjoying the Gil-Shasta double-act. Pure comedy gold.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Can we assume that Gil's out?

Originally Posted by Gil

never assume anything from me

And then he was gone and whasn't been heard of no more.

So what say you? I think you just misbehaved. But if he is the seer how much do you think he would like to help you guys after that?



Now Boro as a wolf surely noticed that there had been no seer revelations coming forwards even if the Days passed and he started to gather his thoughts finding his "alive status" Day after Day a pressing matter to him (that's probably one of the reasons he was so nice to tp - and after that short row with me he started to "like to see me around" as well. He needed us to stay alive beside him. And then he came to this exact same conclusion I did yesterDay (well as a wolf I tend to think like he does as a wolf as we have the same problems more or less): Gil is the seer. And he saw his moment there.

And like he said, he's the worst back-stabber there is and thus he decided to buy some further credibility with trying to lynch The Ka, his packmate. Remember, he never said he had "dreamt" of her. So how did he manage to hit her so accurately? Also remember: he voted first, Shasta was cross-posting him...

And what a surprise we find Shasta dead the next Day. Indeed a perfect pick from his point of view. How did it go that smoothly while we were denied to kill Boro that very same Night?

Like we were denied to kill him the Night before, the Night when when Agan died - and how it just fit in so well with the things Boro was trying to meddle our heads with?

Okay, we have blood in our hands as well. We killed McCaber - and some of you quessed it right: I persuaded morm to it - and I had to use all my arguments for it. And we deserve to die for it.

I think there is something like rolling of the dices for which team gets the kill each Night - or who knows, maybe Fea just chooses what she likes to choose?

One more thing to point out to all you unbelievers out there. Fea never said the four wolves would be on the same side. She only said there will be four wolves.

Now some of you may wonder why am I trying to be helpful seeing that me and morm are dead meat already? Well, letting a rival team win is worse than seeing the village win.


Anyway. You will see Boro will keep going alive and well, giving you a name of one innocent every Day while you lynch one of those yet unknown (and for some miraculous reason the one nominated as innocent dies the next Night and Boro stays).

So you need to use your little grey cells...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Rikae, I would also like to state that the voting polls don't really open for another 10 hours so any vote received before that is null and void.

I don't think so sweetie, besides there has been a temporary change of jurisdiction and I plan on being quite Denning-like in my judgements. Mwahahahaha

[Mithalwen]

And so if you must talk about sport it should be proper games like Rugby and Cricket that are worthy of a Moddesses attention not those silly forms of football and glorified rounders NB Aussie Rules is quite acceptable. Up the Blues.

[Boromir88]

You know you love football, Mith, you can't deny it.

Gah. No, I will not be lulled in by yet another siren, there's work to be done.

I will give some final thoughts and considerations before the deadline, but right now I'm going to do a couple other things and then observe a bit here.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I tried to read through what has happened, but I just end up confused and agitated.

If things are not as they seem. . .well I am just going to take it as it comes, I will see you sometime tomorrow.