Tears of Mirrormere Discussion Thread

[Lilly]

Perhaps I missed it, but - how many Dwarves are we thinking there are in Khazad-dum at present? And what would be the breakdown into #'s of men, women, children, do you think?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That is actually a good question. To the latter, certainly there will be far, far, far more men than women and children, if only because there were always too few women among Dwarves. I think it may be even something like 70% (or even 80?) of men, and some really small number of children (there should be even less of them than women - and far less, because for the time of the existence of the colony there hardly were more than a few born. If I say five children born there, then I am highly, highly overdoing it. And I don't think many parents with children would choose to venture into these uncertain, though of course legendary areas).

And the number of the Dwarves really should not be very big. We are certainly talking less than thousands here. But I am not really good in counting things like this.

[Lilly]

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

[Kitanna]

I filled in my save, finally. It's just a brief conversation between Kénan and Kéni.

[Thinlómien]

Groin had an idea bout the numbers but as I'm bad with numbers I already forgot it. It really doesn't matter much to me...

Originally Posted by Lilly

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

Well, as the Fellowship were apparently the first ones to find about the fate of the colony, I'd say no. However, that is not 100% definite - I have a few ideas and if they work out fine there might be a little wiggle room... We'll see.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lilly

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well, as the Fellowship were apparently the first ones to find about the fate of the colony, I'd say no. However, that is not 100% definite - I have a few ideas and if they work out fine there might be a little wiggle room... We'll see.

Well, I believe the main problem would be that there are many years passing between Balin's death and the Fellowship's coming, and nobody learns about the fate of the colony until the Fellowship passes through there. Of course it would be possible to work out something, but certainly you cannot count on anybody escaping or anything like that.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Lilly

Perhaps I missed it, but - how many Dwarves are we thinking there are in Khazad-dum at present? And what would be the breakdown into #'s of men, women, children, do you think?

I have read somewhere that the usual ratio for men to women with Dwarfs are 3/1, and the same with children. I don't know about y'all but I would say that that ratio would be greater in favor of the men in Moria, especially since it was considered a dangerous place. I think that the ratio would be 5/1 in this case, with almost no kids, the twins and grandchildren are probably some of the few that the dwarves brought with them. What I'm saying isn't set in stone, I'm just thinking out-loud here.

Originally Posted by Lilly

Also - is it a foregone conclusion that every one of the Dwarves in K-d dies? Any wiggle room there?

No wiggle room! Everyone must die! Daaark RPG here!

If we were to use this idea the only time that I think it probable is when the Dwarves try to exit the Hollin Gate and a few get past the Watcher in all the confusion. Although, this would mean that those survivors could not get in-touch with any civilization in the nearly sixty years that elapse between the fall of Balin and the coming of the Fellowship. If they were to come in contact with anyone I am sure that they couldn't help but spill the beans on the whole matter. Not to say that we couldn't do this, just thinking out-loud again.