Tol-in-Gaurhoth LIV: The Council of Evil

[Kath]

Right, I'm finally here properly. I will have a look through yesterDay's posts, try and see why it was Brinn who was lynched, then have a think about why Boro was killed and then have a look at toDay's posts and vote. This will probably be done within about half an hour or so because my time is a bit limited!

I'll be back with some of those thoughts soon.

[Gollum the Great]

Sorry that I've been late (or early) for every DL so far, and I'm most likely to be late again today. Post-Christmas/family stuff if it's anything to you, and I can't sneak out of it for fear of my life *winks*.

[Kath]

Thoughts on yesterDay:

Aganzir - suspicious of Gwath for seeming suspicious of Strongbow. I disagree because from what I know of Gwath's posting style he is just a bit abrupt. I don't know if he'd still be like that as a wolf or if he'd be a bit more careful because he knows his usual style tends to get him lynched. Not convinced she's wolvish for suggesting it though, especially as she seemed to have thought it through quite a bit. Suspicion of Brinn for 'forced' posts. I didn't read them until she was dead and I knew she was innocent so I don't know whether I would have come to the same opinion, but I do often find that those who are innocent and simply have nothing to say can sound forced so I understand where Agan was coming from here. Says shouldn't mention if you think someone has a role if they're not a wolf, fair point. Recants what she said about Agan, makes me find her more suspicious that if she'd just admitted she was wrong.
Boromir88 - said he wouldn't kill Menel, some suspicion of Strongbow. Says Nog and Shasta not being there makes them innocent, I disagree entirely but maybe he was just trying to start conversation.
Brinniel - told us she wouldn't be around much and that her vote would be random. Makes her a very easy target on Day 1, possibly wolves in the bandwaggon against her. Voted Agan because she could be hiding in plain sight, it's as good a reason as any on Day 1.
Eonwe - bit like Brinn really, seems not to have anything to say but trying to be involved. Could be bemused innocent as she was but could be a wolf trying to fly under the radar. Seems that anyone who hasn't played with Gwath much found his earlier comments suspicious because Eonwe has found them so as well. His panic about the deadline seemed odd until I realised that he believed it to be an hour and a half earlier than it actually was and that only one person had voted at the time. Voted Gwath in the mistaken belief that he had to do it right then, given his earlier suspicions its a pretty consistent vote.
Gwathagor - helpful role list, innocent or bluffing question about the werebear?
Meneltarmacil - said Gwath accused Strongbow of being the werebear, I got the feeling that was a joke so maybe Menel is unfamiliar of his playing style or is a wolf jumping on the 'Gwath is suspicious' bandwaggon. I actually agree with him a little about Agan, she did seem to flip flop a lot.
Ilya - came up with pretty much the same ideas as everyone else during the Day up to that point. Maybe all the posts could only be read in one way because if she has a special role I wouldn't expect her to fit in to the crowd.
Isabellkya
Kath
Nogrod - arrives late with all the posts before him and seems to find nothing to say. He seems very pushed for time and not really involved which to me makes him seem innocent. Susicious of Ilya for having such a get out clause way of explaining her suspicion of Gwath. Said he could vote Brinn though hadn't realised seemed suspicious of her before then.
Sally
Shasta
Strongbow - suspicious of Boro for saying something but having no substance. Fair reasoning but it was Day 1. Suspicious of Boro, Gwath and Brinn - says his suspicious of Brinn is still due to earlier reasoning, did I miss that or did he actually not mention her? Something of a blase attitude to the whole thing, obviously enjoying it but sort of going 'nah nah nah nah' to anyone who suspects him. List post is a bit 'maybe this, maybe that' but I can't use that as suspicious as I think most of this post is the same.

About Boro:
Agan said she was suspicious but I think that was jokingly.
Boro said Agan was a werewolf and Gwath the werebear. He was clearly joking but it could make a good cover for either of those two killing him.
Strongbow was suspicious of Boro for having no substance.
Boro returned Strongbow's suspicion but seemingly with no reasoning.
Put Nog and Shasta in the innocent list, would give them a good cover for killing him though I agree that Nog would be unlikely to do that, or a chance for the wolves to try and set them up.
Thinks Agan and Menel were taking what Gwath said too seriously.
Said he thought Brinn was innocent, given that suspicion was pretty high against her the wolves may have thought he was the Seer and had dreamt about her given this comment.
Said he wouldn't go after Strongbow but that he wasn't putting him on the innocent list either.
"If you are trying to manipulate me so you can devour me at night, I must say it's working." - he says to Agan, could make it easy for her to kill him or again could be someone trying to set her up.
Says he now mistrusts Ilya and Menel.
Said might be willing to vote Ilya due to earlier mistrust, doubt anyone would try to set her up or that she would kill him, it seems too obvious.
Voted Izzy as had thought it likely there would be a wolf among the non posters.
Nog cross with him for a throwaway vote.

Brinn voters:
Strongbow (first) - for being too open about her roleclaims. Seemingly consistent suspicion though I still seem to have missed his original reasoning against her.
Agan (second) - prefers her to the others who have votes. Did seem to have been suspicious of most of the village during the Day but went back to her first suspicion for the vote. She couldn't vote Gwath after recanting her earlier suspicion, but did she only vote Brinn because she thought she would get nowhere with voting Ilya once Boro failed to do so?
Nog (third) - this is basically the end for Brinn and I think Nog knew it. He always wants his vote to count and knew he wasn't going to get anywhere with Ilya. I still think it's something of an easy vote though because I don't think he was truly that suspicious of her.
Ilya (fourth) - to ensure there was no double lynch, though I don't think those are possible anyway.

Right, I have 10 minutes of battery left and I'm out of time!

++AGAN

I've had no time to look through the posts from toDay for which I am sorry as it makes this vote based only on Day 1 information. Given everything I've said above I found her most suspicious really because of her going 'oh yes that was a deliberate trick' on the Gwath thing and switching around her suspicions a lot which feels odd to me from her. In addition I quite believe that she would be bold enough to kill Boro, especially after last game where he got her killed very early.

[Kath]

Oh just saw that Gollum said there had been no Day 1 Seer dream which makes some of my thoughts about Boro pretty much completely wrong. Will have to rethink that toMorrow.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kath

About Boro:
Agan said she was suspicious but I think that was jokingly.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Kath

Boro said Agan was a werewolf and Gwath the werebear.

I think it was more like in response to Gwath; "Gwath, the werebear is a deadly creature &c". I just found it funny because at first I thought he had meant it as "Gwath the werebear."

Originally Posted by Kath

She couldn't vote Gwath after recanting her earlier suspicion, but did she only vote Brinn because she thought she would get nowhere with voting Ilya once Boro failed to do so?

If I had started to feel like voting Gwath later, I would have. However there was no reason that should have made me do that. I preferred Brinn because she was one about whom I had even some suspicions myself, not just what other people had first pointed out.

Also Kath Boro's getting me killed in last game didn't matter to me much because I understood his reasons and agreed with them, so that's a bad argument. And it would be possible to find a reason for each and every one of us to kill Boro so I don't know.

As for my flip flopping on Gwath, garr I don't want to start explaining this over and over again, I had some minor suspicions of him based on that bear comment but I don't suspect anyone seriously just because of some day 1 banter! My first day 1 suspicions (if I post early) are always as much attempts to get some talk than real suspicions that should lead to lynching!

[Aganzir]

So less than 15 minutes till deadline and only two votes (sally's for Ilya and Kath's for me). I agree it was alright yesterday to accept also votes that came late but I wouldn't extend that to today. Of course I'm not the mod but it'd be kind of fairer to count only those cast on time.

[Aganzir]

Is there really no one else around?

[Aganzir]

Okay I'm voting for

++Ilya

Because some good enough points have been brought up against her, and her vote was a bit odd, and because I don't want to start spreading the votes if this few have voted, it's this close to deadline, and I'm the other who has a vote.

[Aganzir]

It'll probably be a record if only three votes is cast in a village of 11...

[Strongbow]

++Ilya

I have been let down by my kin.

This, and I don't want to parrot the reasons of others. It isn't really a bandwagon, because she tried to say that I had a role, which endangered me. I'm not too happy about that.

[satansaloser2005]

Ten til, at least according to my computer at work.


People, where are you?

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