T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Thinlómien]

Rikae and Agan - as for the Frodo-thing, if Kittie does not tell us about Frodo going evil, it could be rather disastrous. Rikae would get to play gifted for a few Days and cause havoc by naming known innocents and she might even be able to draw both our gifteds out of their closets to get the issue solved.

Originally Posted by Agan

Also Lommy why does admitting his mistakes make Mac look more innocent?

I don't know, it just makes it look like he has nothing to hide. Which would be smart tactics from a wraith, of course, but I want to give him the benefit of doubt for now.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Aganzir - she just disturbs me somehow, she feels curiously detached from the game and it reminds me of her wolvish self.

Elaborate.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Rikae and Agan - as for the Frodo-thing, if Kittie does not tell us about Frodo going evil, it could be rather disastrous.

I'm more optimistic about it than you. I just don't find it very likely that even she could have pulled it off, especially as there are people who would know she's lying.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't know, it just makes it look like he has nothing to hide. Which would be smart tactics from a wraith, of course, but I want to give him the benefit of doubt for now.

Yes indeed - everything has two sides. And I'm not going to give him the benefit of doubt for managing to look innocent by admitting his mistakes.

I don't know what to make of Rikae and Lommy. They both look rather innocent but I seem to disagree with them on other people, especially with Lommy.

[A Little Green]

What I find interesting is that all of a sudden, even though I have hardly posted at all in the last, say, 12 hours, during the last five hours I seem to have been considered sneaky and suspicious by at least Brinn, Rikae and Lommy. Lovely. I'd love to know why is that or do they just get the same gut-feeling out of nowhere?

Originally Posted by Agan

Elaborate.

Agan, I really think you are being too picky here. Lom's quote indicates to a feeling-based argument, and though it's useful to consider the possible causes for a feeling, I think you are demanding too much. I don't know, possibly Lommins is able to elaborate on an overall feeling such as that; what is certain, however, is that I couldn't and I don't know many who could.

I had something else to say too but I seem to have forgotten that...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Agan, I really think you are being too picky here.

If she can realise that she thinks I am detached about the game, she should also be able to point out what has made her think so.

I hate random suspicions because once someone has a bad feeling about someone else, others start jumping in. Lommy said eg. that she wouldn't be as suspicious about you if it wasn't for other people's suspicions. So yeah.

Okay I am tired but right now I feel almost like voting for her because I'm getting annoyed with her saying "oh she's like this or she's like that" with no reason whatsoever unless specifically requested.

[Aganzir]

Rikae
Mac
Nog
Lommy

There's something going on in there. I feel somewhat positive that there's at least one baddie among them. Because there's just something weird.

Mac has made some suspicious comments.
Lommy has reacted rather strongly to these comments (and accuses me with no reason which I don't like).
Rikae has done some weird stuff but as I see it, she could have done it regardless of her role.
And Nog is just suspicious for his exaggeration of random votes.

++Mac

Because of these his death would shed the most light on other people. I don't have a valid reason to vote for Rikae or Lommy, nor would I really even like to, at least yet. Nog's connection to the others is much more vague.

I'll check Lommy's posts with a magnifying glass tomorrow if we're both still alive.

And then to bed.

[Nogrod]

The basic rule concerning any argument whatsoever: ask the critical questions and do not bog yourself down trying to explain anything.

It's easy to ask the other "why?" or "on what grounds?", but it's much harder to affirm a case or a thought as the critical inquirer can always repeat those questions whatever it is the other says.

ToDay I have no time for it but maybe toMorrow. I should - someone should - look back at the posting and see who are mainly looking good because they appear critical and thence good in that illusory-way smartly pointing at the fouls of others while reserving their own judgement or any positive cases. *This is not directed at you Aganzir, mind you *


Someone - I guess it was Agan - asked why I decided to mention Dury's ranger impersonation -thing on Day1, and as it looks like everyone has forgotten about it or thinks we should not say anything about it, I'll call that issue back as well as I'm having bad gut feelings about Dury.

Yes, I wrestled with myself a bit before making a call for it. But what I ended up with was that:
1) no-one could have not seen it so it was common knowledge that she had done so (just think of my surprise when someone complained s/he didn't understand what was it people were talking about!).
2) looking at the roster in this game it would be quite impossible there were no smart wolves around able to see the poor bluff made by an innocent trying to lure the wolves into attacking her and thence trying to save the real ranger.
3) that given she could be Frodo: a Frodo who would wish to turn into the dark side and thence our enemy...
4) she is not a gifted anyway as that would have been calling the wraiths on her.
5) so is she a wraith trying to lure us into thinking that she's a brave ordo trying to mislead the wraiths? Somehow that explanation seems to be the most believable to me...

Dury is experienced enough not to make the mistake of trying that kind of thing were she a gifted. But also she is experienced enough not to try that as an ordo as that is a no-win scheme (the wolves didn't kill her last Night anyway).

So the best explanation to her behaviour is that she's a wraith...

*Needs to think this again*

[Rikae]

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

A joke, no more significant than in that long-ago game when someone chose "weaver" as his occupation. That's how I took it, that's how I'm pretty sure everybody took it (including the wraiths), and that's how I suspect Dury expected it to be taken.

Now, the question is, why is Nog blowing it up like this?

I'm going to respond about my reasons for suspecting Lily, but I'll take a minute. I've been going along, reading the posts, saying to myself "this looks sinister..." at various things, but I can't remember what those things were now and I'll have to look over her posts again.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm also tired of forcing myself to come up with points that can back up your guilt just because you could have said so also if guilty.

Poor thing. Please, no longer do that.

Good analysis of Brinn, btw.


A list, just to clear my thoughts before dinner.

Sally has escaped my attention toDay and I should address that.
Fea's reaction to Rikae seems innocent.
Lari has escaped my attention, too.
Mirandir needs to give us more of her thoughts of others. She appears innocent, and especially because of that I'd value some more input.
Lommy appears to be her innocent self.
Legate is sorely missed.
Rikae could be Bill, but is most probably innocent.
Aganzir deserves to be analysed, but I won't be able to do that toDay.
Nogrod, I don't know. Apart from his vote yesterDay he hasn't actually done anything suspicious, but I have some bad feeling about him. I need another look.
Beregond is very newbie-ish, but involved and not afraid to talk. He could be a newbie-wraith, maybe.
Nerwen - I don't think her vote is suspicious and I don't see any other reason to suspect her.
Rune is grumpy and probably innocent.
Menel bugs me, but I'm not sure whether he's evil, too.
Durelin I have no idea about.
A Little Green is creepy, as in very serious and determined, and deserves another look.
Brinniel is innocent, I think.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Brinn didn't find Rikae's seer comment serious, but found everyone's reactions to it odd. What exactly do you mean by that, Brinn? How were they odd?

At the time, I couldn't see how people were suddenly taking the comment so seriously and I found it odd. I thought it was obvious she was joking.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She said she couldn't see what benefit could come from Fea pretending Rikae was serious. I can. If Fea had a reason to assume Rikae was joking, it would have been sensible to help set her up as a wolf kill. Of course there was a risk of the real seer revealing, though, which I think is why it wasn't pursued further.

I think you did a better job explaining this than Fea ever did. Yes, you're right, Fea could've had good intentions with her pretended reaction. But it's also possible her intentions were evil. She could've done it to cause distraction or possibly attempt to draw out the real seer. Really, Fea could be anything. One thing I've noticed about her is she likes to mess with everyone's heads, regardless of her role.

Originally Posted by Greenie

What I find interesting is that all of a sudden, even though I have hardly posted at all in the last, say, 12 hours, during the last five hours I seem to have been considered sneaky and suspicious by at least Brinn, Rikae and Lommy. Lovely. I'd love to know why is that or do they just get the same gut-feeling out of nowhere?

My suspicion towards you isn't just a gut-feeling. It was post #247 that raised alarms for me. All of your opinions towards the players are extremely safe, like you're trying to stay on neutral ground not committing one way or another. And yes, you are quite sneaky; in the past you've fallen under my radar quite often. But toDay I find your posts troublesome, even if they are few in numbers.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay I am tired but right now I feel almost like voting for her because I'm getting annoyed with her saying "oh she's like this or she's like that" with no reason whatsoever unless specifically requested.

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

A joke, no more significant than in that long-ago game when someone chose "weaver" as his occupation. That's how I took it, that's how I'm pretty sure everybody took it (including the wraiths), and that's how I suspect Dury expected it to be taken.

Now, the question is, why is Nog blowing it up like this?

I can't see why you ask for that if you're innocent... She's no gifted because that's a bit too daring for a gifted to do. So why that kind of banter which clearly makes her look like a ranger imposter? I can't believe it was "just banter" because it was so fitting and exact - and open. Why to do something that way if you were a) a gifted (no way!), or b) an ordo? I mean on Day6 an ordo should pull that but why she made it in the first post of Day1? I'm regarding Dury as a most intelligent person so then she's probably no ordo as the wrights would not be that easily misled and she would know it. So the remaining option is that she is a wright trying to fool us.

Okay, I may have better cases... I need to see to them.

Funny how you interpret someone voicing a thing as something in a way that one is "pressing on as the sole thing there is". I have been sharing the computer with Lommy and Greenie all the night and we have been playing (RL) together most of the night, so I have just commented on things that have occured to me on my twenty minutes by the computer at a time... Had I more time I could look after some others as well.

Lommy & Greenie just went to bed and it's coming 6AM here... I'd need to vote and go to sleep as well... Just a moment. I'll try to look around before voting.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, back but I'm babysitting for one of my ex-coworker's kids so I'll probably pop in and maybe vote, if I feel that I can do so fairly confidently.

So, without reading toDay in great detail, I was really concerned by yesterDay's voting of Gollum. Now while Mac was trying to save himself, upon looking it over again I think it was more of an innocent Mac trying to save himself while the wraiths took advantage of it.


I'm really sorry I've not been around more. I know it's Saturday, so theoretically I should have been around more but with Emily coming back and everything it's been nuts. I'll do what I can but for now accept apologies for my laziness.


Blah. I need to go. Hopefully back soon.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

So, without reading toDay in great detail, I was really concerned by yesterDay's voting of Gollum. Now while Mac was trying to save himself, upon looking it over again I think it was more of an innocent Mac trying to save himself while the wraiths took advantage of it.

I'm sorry, but that really doesn't make any sense at all, as far as I can see. Why would the wraiths "take advantage" of an innocent Mac's desire to save himself in order to lynch an ordo Gollum? If Mac is innocent, wouldn't they be equally happy to see him go? Nerwen's vote looked odd to me at the time (mostly the way she seemed to have no opinion, but pounce on Gollum as soon as he became an option), but I still don't think your scenario is logical.

Actually, the only logical evil-Nerwen explaination I can think of is that Nerwen is Ferny, and thought any of those three could well have been wraiths, while Gollum couldn't.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, as always, and Nerwen herself.

[Lariren Shadow]

Sorry to again be gone for the almost entry Day.

In RL I went wine tasting, so I needed a lot of time to recover. On page 9 by this point.

As for the suspicions: I was going to restate the ones that previous people said. I know I was called out last time for doing that so I decided not to.

Putting it out there though: the vote from the end of yesterday made me really think. It didn't look right, even if I've seen Mac do that before. When he did it before it was really into the game, now it was really quick. Not to mention his quick accusations of only three people while everyone else apparently looks innocentish(never mind there still isn't a lot to go on).

Nerwen also didn't come off too good in that episode either.