Middle-earth Bad Popularity Cup

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Now to business - the fact is, Eöl is a horrible pig, and though he did produce a cool son it's the son who is cool and not him.

I couldn't agree more!

The King of the Dead produced the best, and most memorable, part of The Return of the King! He was even feared by a Dwarf, now that's saying something. Anyone who can make a Gimli quake in his boots has got my vote.

++The King of the Dead

[Tuor in Gondolin]

With less then an hour to go the contst
is on a knife's edge. 4-4 now, but
Eol will win this tie.
Tick. Tick. Tick.

And about the counetrfactual fiction/history
above, for JRRT's concept I think Aragorn
has to come in from the south. Without the
written narrative it might be something like
Aragorn's (book) company fighting their
way through (with Strider actually dispatching
the KotD) and then rallying the South
Gondorians, who would of course have to
have enough of a navy to take over the
Corsairs fleet. In some ways a more satisfactory
plot then the somewhat deux ex machina
(and it might have dissuaded PJ from
the invasion of the green slime at Minsas Tirith).

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Eol 4
KotD 4
Eol wins a tiebreaker! (Won't his dad be proud?)

Next:
Scatha the Worm vs. Shelob in what could be
another long night for dragon power.

[Morthoron]

Perhaps, like Ancalagon the Black, it is because of the dearth of information on Scatha that makes the dragon intriguing, or dragons are just interesting in and of themselves. In any case, this is yet another Tolkien character that got only a passing mention, but for whom I'd love to hear a more fleshed-out tale. Shelob? Meh, just an arachnid bully eating orcses and little hobbits if she can get them. She's nothing like her great-grandma Ungoliant, who made even Morgoth tremble.

++Scatha the Worm

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Eol wins a tiebreaker! (Won't his dad be proud?)

Eol had a dad? Hmmm...I believe, like Thingol, he was among the Firstborn.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

And about the counetrfactual fiction/history
above, for JRRT's concept I think Aragorn
has to come in from the south. Without the
written narrative it might be something like
Aragorn's (book) company fighting their
way through (with Strider actually dispatching
the KotD) and then rallying the South
Gondorians, who would of course have to
have enough of a navy to take over the
Corsairs fleet. In some ways a more satisfactory
plot then the somewhat deux ex machina
(and it might have dissuaded PJ from
the invasion of the green slime at Minsas Tirith).

Counterfactual history, now you got it, sir

Okay, just briefly - not to be off-topic too much - this won't work anyway, otherwise, it will be far better for the South Gondorians to just send more troops to Minas Tirith in the first place (seeing that they have enough men themselves to cope with the Corsairs), in which case, the battle will be obviously victorious for Minas Tirith in the first place. But we needed this typical "our heroes look like they will be obviously doomed" and then this sudden turn of the tide. And this was only possible if the Corsairs were stronger. And this again needed some reinforcements to come. And the Dead were still quite a smooth way to do that, I can't think of anything better now (like I said, Elves from Lórien won't do...).

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Perhaps, like Ancalagon the Black, it is because of the dearth of information on Scatha that makes the dragon intriguing, or dragons are just interesting in and of themselves. In any case, this is yet another Tolkien character that got only a passing mention, but for whom I'd love to hear a more fleshed-out tale.

Yes, unlike Ancalagon the Black, perhaps because the lack of information, Scatha is intriguing. I like him. He was nice. I liked him very "early" - short after I read LotR for the first time. He was a cold-drake, but that does not prevent him from being cool, quite the opposite And he was killed by a man from Éotheod, now isn't that great?

++Scatha

Eol had a dad? Hmmm...I believe, like Thingol, he was among the Firstborn.

I think Tuor had his son in mind.

[Thinlómien]

++Shelob

Scatha has a cool name and he reminds me of old legends like Beowulf, but I've got to be feminist and vote Shelob.

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I love dragons but there's just not enough info on Scatha for me to vote for him. I mean, the only adjective you could use describing him is "dead".

++Shelob

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Scatha has a cool name and he reminds me of old legends like Beowulf, but I've got to be feminist and vote Shelob.

Hey, but what if Scatha was a she? Now wouldn't that be even cooler than some silly spider?

Speaking of silly spiders: why were not Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob inculded? They were cuute!