T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Aganzir]

Greenie: Lari
Menel: Mira
Rune: Greenie
Legate: Lari

Lari-2, Mira-1, Greenie-1

Six votes still to come.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah well... is there anybody around still? I am trying to use some of the time for doing whatever good things I can so late at night, but slowly I am getting exhausted. Is anybody going to post in some reasonable time?

[Aganzir]

I'm here and I'm just debating myself whether I should take a look at Greenie's posts now, but it's soon 4am so I don't know. However I don't have an exam tomorrow so I can sleep as long as I want to.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm here and I'm just debating myself whether I should take a look at Greenie's posts now, but it's soon 4am so I don't know. However I don't have an exam tomorrow so I can sleep as long as I want to.

Lucky you. But hey, I can do that too. (That looking at the posts.) Not sure how well I'll be able to do that at this hour, but at least briefly, once again...

[Aganzir]

Go ahead. Let's see if we reach the same conclusions.

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, I've got more time to read over the thread now.

--Mirandir

I'll be back with my real vote, as that was simply a placeholder.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I looked through LG's posts, fortunately there wasn't much. I won't go on lengths here, seeing Mac has posted, I will just finish this and go.

LG, from re-reading, looks perhaps more possibly sinister than I thought her before, she keeps Brinn & Sally mostly in a neutral or trusting zone, but then, she keeps most of the people there often. She could be downplaying suspicions of Brinniel:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Tell me about that - I have never in my ww career suspected Brinn, and yet last time we played together she was the wolf genius who cheated us all. So I know what you mean - but I don't think just the fact she feels okay is enough grounds for suspicion. It's certainly enough grounds for keeping an eye on her, but not for direct suspicion - and I can't believe the fact that she can be a very sneaky wolf is the only reason why she is suspected.

Yet that is something I thought as well, so I can't mark it as a wolfy thing, as anybody can do that, seemingly. She jumps on some Fea bandwaggon, that could be suspicious, and on the other Day she dismisses it with mentioning the main participants (me and Rikae) and that's it, mostly. But whatever. She believes Lommy rightaway (with a slight carefulness), but that was quite the most reasonable thing to do then anyway.

Besides that, I have mostly learned only how many name variants you can make out of one name, e.g. Lomzy, Lommins (sounds like Moomins), or from another name: Leggings, etc. Most impresive.

But overall. Not enough for me to suspect her, not to the point of voting her, for sure, or at least not now. There are moments where she seems really genuine, and I hope it being so.

That would be it for toDay from me. A few more minutes, and then I go to sleep. Bye.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right.

I am leaving.

Hope we lynch a Wraith toDay.

Hope the Village is full of intelligent innocents yet and will be so toMorrow yet. I trust that.

Ignore Cobblers for the rest of the Day.

Hope to see you later.

Good night.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mac

You're wasting effort you could use looking for wraiths, and I think you do it deliberately.

Nope I don't think I'm wasting anything, I've been making cases against people I find suspicious and just suspect you besides them.

Originally Posted by Mac

Your assumption that I'm the cobbler leads you to assume that Legate is evil.

No again. Those two things just seem to back each other up. See, looking at day 1 he was behaving in a way that indicated he was a wraith talking to the presumed Ferny. That had nothing to do with you being or not being Ferny, it was the way he reacted to your Fernyish comments.

Originally Posted by Mac

And who is talking about it most?

I wouldn't be if I didn't have a reason to.

Originally Posted by Mac

He said tend! Sheesh!

Yeah he tends to trust the cobbler.

Originally Posted by Mac

statements like these just encourage them to keep me alive and have you waste a lynch!

As if they didn't have a reason to keep you alive.

Originally Posted by Mac

Is there a reason why would it fit a Legatewolf especially or is this a generic statement to make somebody look bad?

My thoughts ran along the lines of Legate killing the only person to suspect him that far. Yes it could look bad on him (as it did) but Rikae can be very persistent and therefore quite dangerous, as you should know.

Originally Posted by Mac

Does it even occur to you anymore that I could be neither??

Yes for some reason it occurred to me you might not be a wolf... But I haven't considered for a while the possibility that you are actually an ordo. Your behaviour speaks for you.

Originally Posted by Mac

And in case you don't know, but the best way to not let any cobbler help the wolves win - is to lynch the wolves before s/he gets a chance to!

Yes and I was saying that if we can't come up with any really good wraith suspects, we should lynch you! However I hope we've pinned at least one, if not the both, of them, so you need not worry. You'll survive but you're just going to lose.

Originally Posted by Mac

A cobbler counts as an innocent, so his life can even make the village win.

No, the only thing that can make the village win is the death of the last wolf. The cobbler's life (and vote) can only help the wolves.

Originally Posted by Mac

Also, since the cobbler's knowledge is limited (and even though the wraiths might know his identity, I think it's very unlikely he knows all of theirs) his vote might unintentionally lynch a wraith.

Poor cobbler! Did the wraiths see fit to keep him in the dark about things?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

That sounds reasonable but for one thing - the ranger didn't protect Lommy the night after her reveal, which means basically that s/he assumed the wolves would assume that s/he'd protect Lommy and decide not to attack her.

Keep in mind that the ranger might not have been able to protect her because he did so the night before. In that case, it is not clear whether the ranger protected me the night Lommy died, or, expecting Lommy to be dead by then, saved me for last night. It would be too cool, though, if the ranger could still protect me this night. *crosses fingers*


I see that Aganzir still continues to go after me. You're wasting effort you could use looking for wraiths, and I think you do it deliberately. You're even aware of it, as you stated several times. However, as you yourself said, just because somebody admits something, it doesn't make it better. I used to think it was just a quirk of yours to go after me no matter what, but now I'm starting to wonder whether there is some strategy behind it this time. I really hope I'll find time to have another look at you toDay at last.


I'd like to add my name to the list of people who think the way Lari goes after Rune is weird. She's confusing me and I don't know what to think of her anymore.


Now I reached Agan's analysis of Legate. Agan, if you're innocent, then you're really on a dangerous track toDay. Your assumption that I'm the cobbler leads you to assume that Legate is evil. I have the strong feeling this will end in the death of two innocents yet again. (It also reminds me of Legate's mad Day3 pursuit of Fea and me.) Snap out of it, please. You're too valuable to the village if objective.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Mac is the cobbler, the wolves certainly know about it. It doesn't matter that he's a known so-called innocent. He works as a distraction - see, here we are, talking about him and arguing if he should be lynched, when we should be looking for wolves.

And who is talking about it most?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It's enough for him that Mac is not a wraith - he's in Legate's I tend to trust category. No it isn't enough!

He said tend! Sheesh!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

There's so little time left that unless we have very good reasons to assume someone's a wolf tomorrow, we should lynch Mac. Really.

This is wraith talk, or Ferny talk at the very least. Yes, I did say it myself that if I keep on staying alive you can just lynch me, but please, statements like these just encourage them to keep me alive and have you waste a lynch! You're preparing the field for it!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It would just fit a Legatewolf who wants to survive.

Is there a reason why would it fit a Legatewolf especially or is this a generic statement to make somebody look bad?


Menel keeps on baffling me.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And at this point it doesn't matter if he's a cobbler, not a wraith, he should die before he gets to help the wolves win.

Does it even occur to you anymore that I could be neither?? And in case you don't know, but the best way to not let any cobbler help the wolves win - is to lynch the wolves before s/he gets a chance to! If we're completely clueless one Day, it might be a reasonable idea to lynch a presumed cobbler, but on any other occasion, it's idiotic. If we lynch two wraiths, we win. If we lynch the cobbler and one wraith, we lose.

Originally Posted by Beregond

I still have suspicions of Mac as Ferny. But I'm trying to decide if it would be better to vote him now if so, or try for a possible wraith. At first I thought it made sense to go after wraiths, but now I'm not so sure.

Whether or not to lynch a known(!) cobbler is actually almost a philosophical question in WW. A cobbler counts as an innocent, so his life can even make the village win. Plus, lynching him means forgoing a chance to lynch a wraith. On the other hand, the cobbler has a vote, and that can mess up some things - especially late in the game. He can also prove to be somewhat of a distraction. Also, since the cobbler's knowledge is limited (and even though the wraiths might know his identity, I think it's very unlikely he knows all of theirs) his vote might unintentionally lynch a wraith.


A last thought about Aganzir: Would a wraith really be so determined to get a quasi-known innocent lynched? They would surely try it (and it's easy to do so right now, as it's reasonable to suspect me of cobblerdom, however slightly), but like this? The real cobbler, however, s/he could get the idea that getting me lynched is worth dying for. I really need a clearer picture of Aganzir.