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Old 02-04-2009, 01:28 PM   #1
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I love to pile it on the ungrateful son, Maeglin. Dante's got it right, there's nothing worse than a filthy traitor.

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:35 PM   #2
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I love to pile it on the ungrateful son, Maeglin. Dante's got it right, there's nothing worse than a filthy traitor.
And who says WK didn't betray anyone when he became a ringwraith?
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:47 PM   #3
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And who says WK didn't betray anyone when he became a ringwraith?
He better would! Otherwise, he does not deserve as much of my vote.

Somebody said here WK is not as great as Nazgul - true, Khamul is for example far better and far more fascinating! He is the coolest, actually, one among the coolest folks in M-E. (Hey, now I just thought, where is Gothmog? I don't mean the balrog... although that could be as well... but the other one, Lieutenant of Morgul... anyway...)

But Maeglin is boring!!!
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:48 PM   #4
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But Maeglin is boring!!!
Oh, tsk tsk, you're still holding a grudge because your wife had an affair with him.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:05 PM   #5
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Oh, tsk tsk, you're still holding a grudge because your wife had an affair with him.
Yes. And I don't understand how that was possible, because Maeglin is boring.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:37 PM   #6
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While Maeglin was especially icky, betraying the
"jewel in the crown" elf city to rule over the remnants
of Gondolin with a forced marriage a la Ar-Pharazon/Miriel,
first cousin's marriage is not only fairly common with
royalty (and in Appalachia? ) but I don't think it is
technically incest.
And he is a free agent throughout while tWKoA
is more then not a tool (albeit apparently a willing one,
and in Angmar pretty much a local free agent), so

+ + Maeglin
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:32 PM   #7
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And who says WK didn't betray anyone when he became a ringwraith?
He probably did. But the WiKi, using Morth's abbreviation which makes him sound like a high-tech gadget, is one of the bad guys through and through and though he was incompetent, at least he was loyal to his team. That said, I wish I could change my vote. This is the bad popularity thread after all and Maeglin is indeed a much better villain.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:25 PM   #8
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Because if I didn't support him, I'd be betraying myself...
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:06 PM   #9
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A respectable effort by Maeglin, but:
Maeglin-4 WKoA -8

Next up: Watcher in the Water vs. Sauron

WinW is one of those interesting, autonomous
forces, some for good and others for evil, in LOTR (like ents, Shelob,
and Caradhras) that give both depth and a sense
of realism (think of World War II motivations and
interactions of U.S. and U.K.- common goal against
nazis but diametrically opposed views of British
colonialism).
As Aragorn observed of Caradhras:
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things in the world that have little love for those that go
on two legs, and yet are not in league with Sauron, but
have purposes of their own. Some have been in this
world longer then he.
And Sauron is quite interestingly different in the Three
Ages: First- a loyal lieutenant to Morgoth
Second-arguably the dominant player
Third-an unseen but looming (except for PJ's eyeball) presence.
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:27 PM   #10
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*looks over previous round*
*chuckles*

It's quite clear: the male Downers are jealous of Maeglin!
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It's quite clear: the male Downers are jealous of Maeglin!
Ummm...why jealous? Maeglin didn't end up with the hot babe.

Oh, and I vote for ++Sauron.
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