T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, that was easy.

We didn't even kill Noggie to set up Fea, and not because we thought him the ranger either. But what an easy way to get rid of Fea that was.

Right now I'm concerned with possible connections between us in the scenario one of us is lynched. Sally's suspicion of me on Day 1 has already been caught on as wolf-on-wolf, and I'm doing my best to distance myself from that. In-game, I already suspect you Sally so don't be surprised if I'm persistent on you and even vote to lynch you...better that than suspiciously back off. In turn, I think you need to interact with me, defend my accusations of you, etc. We need to butt heads a little, but not enough to let it look staged. Nerwen I'm not as worried about since no one seems to suspect her now (but we'll have to see toMorrow). I think I'm somewhere in the middle.

But let's hope it doesn't come to sacrificing one of us. With Fea's death, suspicions will probably change dramatically toMorrow. I don't think we will be primary targets, though it's possible. I think Sally might be at the biggest risk since she's starting to gather some attention. Though I think there could be a fairly good chance of losing our informer toMorrow. Suspect him if you two want; I decided to take the risk of thinking him innocent, unless he does something dramatic. A bold move, but I'm kinda hoping it'll look too bold to be suspicious (the most suspicious would be probably sitting on neutral territory). And hey, it could look seerish...

I considered changing the kill to Aganzir since you two wanted it, but it was too last minute. I guess it wasn't completely awful to kill Noggie. At least it kept them confused, which is what I wanted.

As for toNight's kill, I'm not gonna suggest anyone right now since I want to go to bed shortly (it's difficult since I do have ideas in mind). Also, I want to hear you guys give out suggestions first since I am horrible at spotting gifteds and perhaps you two will do a better job. I'd really like to find the seer toNight, as with each Night it gets more dangerous to leave them alive. Though if we manage to kill the ranger or turn Frodo, I certainly won't mind.

Okay I just have to throw this out here because I can't wait: Rikae still could be the seer and have dreamt of Fea and Mac (they'd both show up as ordos), and she just mixed up who was Ferny. But even if so, I don't know if I want to kill her since she could make a great lynch target...unless you guys think it's necessary. That's all.

Don't expect any PMs heavy in content from me until after 7pm EST. I have classes all day.

Night,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It was fun, too.

You two are starting to draw a bit of suspicion, but so is everyone now, so that's okay.

Well, that might explain how she was so sure Fea wasn't a wraith. How much would we have to stick our necks out to get her lynched, though? Anyone who helps lynch the Seer gets looked at pretty hard.

If you really think she's the Seer, we should just kill her. Otherwise, we could try killing Aganzir, or maybe Beregond. I think he might be something (though not the Seer, or he would have said something more definite in his lists.)

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, I wouldn't try that hard to get her lynched and she might not even need any help. If she doesn't get lynched toMorrow, then we could just kill her the following Night. Anyways, I'm not that sure she's the seer. It would be pretty risky to go after Fea like that, especially if she dreamt her as an ordo. But it is possible.

I have absolutely no idea about Agan; I'll take a better look at her later. I'm still hesitant about the possibility of a newbie being a gifted, especially Beregond who didn't know anything about WW before this. It'd be a lot of pressure to give him a special role to work out on his own. But I guess anything's possible.

I actually woke up this morning and realised I'm really worried about Lommy. I rather wish we had taken the risk of killing her earlier because she's getting dangerous. Her persistence and vote against Sally, and her suspicion of me could point to seerism. If she is the seer, I think she might've dreamt of Sally and toNight there's a good chance she'll dream of me. Killing her would be a dangerous move either way. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally
and me will look awful bad and one, or even both of us could get lynched. Of course, if we leave her alive and she is the seer and has dreamt of two wolves, she'll probably reveal. Because why wait and risk getting killed if you know 2/3 of the evil party? I could fake reveal as seer in that scenario, but it only might buy us a Day and afterward both of us would be promptly lynched. Though if she is the seer, at least Nerwen will look good. Basically, if Lommy turns out to be the seer it's extremely bad news for us no matter what we do. So let's hope she's not. If we kill her toNight and she's not the seer, Sally and me might still look bad, but aren't necessarily doomed...after all, they could see it as another frame job. If we leave her alive and she's not the seer, she might back off on us, but there's no guarantee and it could be risky. Whether she's a seer or not, Lommy does look gifted. It might be a good idea to be rid of her now rather than later, no matter the outcome.

Tell me, what do you guys think about Lommy? Because I'm extremely nervous right now on the thought that she could be the seer. I'm often wrong about these things, and I really hope I am wrong about this.

-Brinn

The only thing I was wrong about was that I switched around her dreams between Sally and me.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Ferny suggests killing A Little Green.

~Kit

Originally Posted by Sally

Cheap solution to the Lommie reveals problem. Sorry if it's not well-worded, because I just woke up *blissful sigh* but here goes.

IF we let Lommie live (which I think is the safest course of action, believe it or not) and she is the seer, she will eventually find Nerwen and at that point she will reveal, if not before, which I believe would be the case.

IF she reveals, Brinn can counter-reveal. You've been suspecting me for a while, feel free to lynch me if it makes you look good. How you're going to manage Lommie after that I'll never know. (Perhaps claiming that your dreams have been killed off or that the village are idiots for killing "X" when you clearly stated they were innocent, if/where applicable, etc.)

The problem with that is the very fact of Lommie's existence and how to explain why we wouldn't want to kill her. So basically the whole plan is brilliant in theory, but rubbish in practice. Like communism. Or decaf coffee.

I'm all for killing Agan or Rikae, especially since I think Agan would still be a safe (as in it wouldn't point to us right away) kill. Also, Ferny suggests Greenie. I've got a meeting with my advisor in a bit but when I get back I'll do my best to have a look at her, k?

Alternatively, are we still calling Mac for Ferny? And I think we should at least discuss Frodo and who he/she might be because if Lommie is the seer and she reveals I really don't want Nerwen left alone.

~~Sally~~

Originally Posted by Brinn

I don't think the seer would wait until they dreamt all three wolves; they're lucky if they catch two and would most likely take advantage of it. And besides...they've gotta leave some work for the ordos.

If we left Lommy alive and she revealed that she dreamt of the two of us, then I will counter-reveal. But note I'll only do it if the seer has dreamt of me. My dreams would be Lommy, Nogrod, Mac or Rune, and Sally. And since Ferny appears as an ordo in dreams, I can accuse Lommy of being Ferny. And if I reveal, I'm sorry Sally, I will sacrifice you. Because if I dream of a wraith, it'll give good reason why not to lynch Lommy. The problem with this plan is that there's a big risk that the village will believe Lommy and not me. For one thing, why would she so suddenly fake reveal...though I'd argue she thought a wraith or two might be good lynching targets for the Day and decided to self-sacrifice in order to lure out the seer. And even if I do convince the village, my claim won't hold up forever. They'll either start doubting me or decide to lynch Lommy...and then I'm doomed and that's two wraiths down. But at least it would give us more Days...and luckily there are no double lynches.

If we kill Lommy and she's not the seer, Sally or me, or both might look bad. But then again, they might see the kill as a frame-up like Nogrod. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally would definitely look bad and probably me as well. One wraith would probably get lynched, but I don't know if people will assume both of us are guilty. So I might be able to stay alive for awhile if I play it carefully.

Maybe not killing her is best because there's a chance we're totally wrong about her being the seer and she's just unusually accurate. That's what I hope. Because I find trying to convince an entire village with a false reveal rather scary, but I'll do it if I must. At least I set myself up to vaguely look like the seer from early on. If Lommy is a seer who dreamt of two of us, she'd most likely reveal with her first post. Which kind of sucks since I have classes most of the day (unless we get a snow day). Anyways, I'd like to hear from Nerwen about all this since she's the one who could end up a lone wolf.

And I should have a closer look at Greenie since our informer suggested her. I'm a bit hesitant to kill her because she seems to find me completely innocent...but it's possible Mac saw something that we didn't. Of course he could be wrong too since he was about me.

Off to examine everyone closely,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Brinn

Gah, I started a PM and then the mouse screwed up on me and I lost it...

What I did say was that if the seer isn't Lommy, then I'd like to get them toNight, though any gifted would make me happy. I have no idea how Frodo would act, it's a toss-up and all I can do is guess. The ranger would probably want to lay low and not be too noticed, but also not so unnoticed that they'd make a safe kill. Can the ranger protect themself? Perhaps we should ask Kit.

Menel: The quietest of the players. He doesn't look seerish, but then again he didn't look seerish last time he was the seer. He could be gifted, though more likely Frodo or the ranger. Would make a safe kill.

Greenie: I'm trying to make out why our informer suggested her. Her posts don't seem at all seerish to me...maybe he thinks she's Frodo. Or perhaps just a safe kill.

Aganzir: Right now, I still can't see anything gifted about her. Of course I could be very wrong. She'd make a safe kill.

Mirandir: I don't think she looks gifted. If we leave the newbies around long enough, people might start to suspect and lynch them.

Legate: I don't think a seer would act so sure of someone's guilt if he hadn't dreamt of them. He seems rather bold to be a ranger, but he could be. His absence for a full Day makes me think he's more likely an ordo. Anyway, there's a good chance he'll receive a fair amount of attention toMorrow, so let's leave him alone.

Rune: I don't know. He's naturally aggressive, but I think he's even a bit more so in this game. Would a gifted attack me so harshly? Possibly. With his position on the whole Fea, there's a good chance he'll look more innocent toMorrow. Could make a good kill, but then again if the ranger thinks he tried to save Fea because he's a seer who dreamt her as an ordo, then there's a good chance he'll be protected.

Lari: I have no idea whether she could be gifted or not. She received quite a bit of attention yesterDay; I don't know how Fea's innocence will affect people's opinions on her. But she seems harmless enough for now and I'd rather leave her be.

Lommy: Already discussed her plenty.

Beregond: He'd make for a safe kill, but I don't think we'll catch a gifted by killing him.

Rikae: Already discussed her some. It's still possible she's a seer, but I'm not sure a seer would be so bold. It might be better to leave her alone since I'll think she'll receive a fair amount of pressure toMorrow, though I'm not sure how likely it is she'll actually get lynched. Actually, I wouldn't be against killing her (even if it looks like a repeat of the Noggie kill). It's very possible she's gifted, even if it's not the seer.

Who I want to leave alone:
Mirandir
Legate
Lari
Beregond
Rune

Possible kills:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Rikae

??
Lommy

Possible ranger protection:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Lommy
Rune
Beregond

I could go for Menel or Rikae. Aganzir I'm still hesitant about, but I won't argue it if you both rather kill her. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to take Mac's advice and go for Greenie. Then there's the huge question of Lommy. I don't see much of seer qualities in many others, which is why I'm getting more and more worried about her. We also still have to keep who the ranger might protect in mind. Rikae would be unlikely, and Rune would be very likely (which is why I don't want to kill him). Actually, if there's a good chance Lommy is protected, it'd probably be a good idea not to kill her. Though I don't want to make an actual decision about Lommy until I hear from Nerwen.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry for not posting before– just got in.

First things– Sally, remember that a false reveal can only buy you a short time. Once the Seer's dead, everyone knows his role. Brinn's idea of claiming the real Seer is Ferny and throwing Sally to the lambs is rather brilliant– but definitely a last resort plan. She'd still be exposed pretty soon.

I'm not sure if it is Lommy, though– would she have made that throwaway vote for Sally if she'd been the Seer?

It mightn't be a bad idea to kill her anyway, since she's just too clever. The problem is that whether she's Seer or ordo, her death points somewhat to Brinn as well as Sally.

Basically, though, the same comment I made about Rikae holds: if you think there's a good chance you've found Barliman, kill him.

I'll have a look at Greenie too, but I suspect it's more a case of her looking Seer-ish to someone who doesn't know who the wraiths are.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Actually that's one of the reasons I'm worried that she is the seer. If she's already dreamt of Sally and is worried she might get killed at Night, what better way to leave a trail then to vote for her known wraith?

Also, keep in mind that if we miss a kill due to ranger protection, it'll be very bad news for us. Because we'd risk the chance of being exposed, plus we'd have no kill. If the ranger finds Lommy at all seerish, then she may be protected.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I was just thinking that voting for Sally leaves her rather exposed... and she gives a reason; I'm not even sure she'd look Seer-ish to someone not in the know. She still might get protected as a likely innocent anyway.

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Take the risk to kill or not kill Lommy? Because I think I might prefer the risk of leaving her alive. Simply because I was the one who first mentioned the possibility of her being seer and more often than not I am wrong. I will seriously be kicking myself if we kill Lommy and she's not the seer. On the other hand, if we leave her alive and she is the seer, at least we have a plan that might buy us an extra Day (and hey, if I'm gonna get lynched, let's make it interesting). Plus, in this scenario there's still a chance that she won't dream of me toNight...after the Fea thing, other dream candidates could have come up. And if we were to kill her and she was the seer, Sally and me would still be left in a bad light. Basically the only scenario that would possibly keep us all alive is if we don't kill Lommy and she's not the seer. Ugh, I don't know...this is a really difficult decision as the choice we make could be fatal.

Anyway, if we don't kill Lommy and it's between Rikae and Aganzir, I choose Rikae. Okay, both could be gifteds, but at least in Rikae's case there's a good chance she won't be protected.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I meant the risk of killing her. It's a hard decision– as you say, if Lommy's the Seer it's very bad news, whether we kill her or not– either way, Sally's probably done for, and maybe Brinn as well. I don't see any sign Lommy suspects me– in fact, the big risk in leaving her alive is that– if she is the Seer– she might eventually dream me to make sure I can be trusted. Perhaps I should start dropping a few hints of my own?

If you don't want to kill Lommy, I'd prefer Aganzir, but Rikae's okay with me.

It's hard to know how the coming Day will pan out. I think we must be prepared to sacrifice Mac (our presumed Ferny). I think I might be taking a good, hard look at young Sally too... why was she trying to save him? etc.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Sally

I agree that keeping Lommie alive is the 'safest' course of action. By the by, my plan was only meant as a last resort; in no other circumstance would I suggest using it nor would I betray a packmate like that, so I think that if possible we should not kill Lommie and if worse comes to worse we'll have to do our best to cope with it. Hopefully she's not the seer and she's just scarily right.

Agan or Rikae? I'd actually pick Agan. If Rikae happens to be the seer, Nerwen is probably toast. That's not really why I'd want her kept though; I just still have that feeling that killing Agan would be a good choice. I don't know, it's just one of those....things, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Though if you two would rather kill Rikae I wouldn't complain too much, as I think it would be good to get rid of her eventually as well, and since (though I didn't read her posts in too much detail) she seems to have backed off Nerwen a tad I think now would be an okay time to axe her. Up to you two lovely ladies.

Originally Posted by Sally

X'd with our lovely Mistress Nerwen. I already said this, but yeah, I think Agan should be our kill.

However, I think at this point I think we should start worrying about Frodo, because if Lommie is the seer (or if the seer reveals) we'll need all the help we can get.

[NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]
Here's THE crackiest idea I've ever had, and yes, you are free to ignore it, because I think it's complete rubbish as well but I have to put it out there. What if....what if Lommie is Frodo? I mean, if she's figured out who we are and she for some reason wants to be changed, what better way to draw our attention?
[/NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]


Okay, I'll go ahead and send this and see if I have more PMs. Back soon~!

~~Sally~~

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Not really... if she's dead her hints about me remain ambiguous, and I might well be able to talk my way out of it. Besides, it would take the heat off you two.

I still wouldn't mind Agan, though.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Sally

Very true. I just think that since she didn't have any reasoning behind it people might take it as seer hints. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, and if we do it we should do it soon.

I'm still up for Agan too. Where's Miss Brinn?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Hah, yeah that'd be funny...though not worth the risk. Hopefully she is not the seer and hopefully she will back off on us some so we can kill her later.

Sigh, alright if you two want to kill Aganzir then we will. After all, I disagreed already last Night and I would really regret not killing her if you two are right. I just feel doubtful that she's gifted (though it's partly due to meta reasons...she was an assassin in last game and either a hunter or ranger the game before) and worry she might be protected. If she's protected or Rikae does turn out gifted, I'm gonna repeat what morm told me and say you two can go eat a shoe. So hopefully I'm the one that's wrong again.

I've just realised Sally, you've requested to keep Lommy for three Days now. I just hope it turns out to be a good thing.

This strangely reminds of last game I was a wolf...except this time I feel like mormegil. Let's just hope toMorrow turns out differently than it did in Fea's game.

--Brinn

And it didn't.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sally, our PMs crossed again. Re: your suggestion about Lommy– impersonating the Seer is a thing Frodo might well do, but I don't know about Lommy-Frodo, since she doesn't like being a wolf... although she's been one so often recently she might have got used to it.

Urgent announcement: I just found out my family are going down the Coast for the weekend, which means I'll have to vote early-ish tomorrow and will have very patchy Internet access for a couple of days. So you two will be more-or-less on your own in that time. If the Seer reveals and names me, or there's any other reason to lynch me, go for it.

Otherwise I'd rather stay alive, as I may not have opportunity to make the most of my death by gifted impersonation, incriminating innocents, etc.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay guys, just to confirm the kill...our choice is Aganzir, right? Or do we intend to change it last minute like we almost did last Night?

I just want to be sure...
-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As I said, I'd actually prefer taking the risk of killing Lommy... but I suppose you two are the ones who'll be implicated, so I'm not going to force the issue.

Other than that, I don't have a strong preference for Rikae or Aganzir. I doubt either of them will be protected.

~Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

What a shame. She has to go? Because Aganzir is your new wraith.

I will notify her now.

~Kit

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'll just have to thank you two for your insistence. I told you I shouldn't go with my gut, and look what happens. In fact, Lommy probably isn't even a seer after all. You know what, you guys should just decide the kills from now on....and won't say anything. Or if I do, I'll pick my kill choice as someone I'm least comfortable with killing.

Oh and btw, Aganzir is our newest wraith.

Love you guys forever,
Brinn

Or maybe I should go with my gut. I don't know. But I'm still really thankful for the other two's preference for Agan. It's for that reason alone that I have no regrets for not killing Lommy on this particular Night.

If you want to see the PMs for the following Nights, you're gonna have to ask another wraith, considering I was lynched and all...

[Nerwen]

I just want to say: hats off to my fellow-wraiths. Especially Mr Underhill... I was quite worried the last Night, knowing that we probably wouldn't be able to both be online at the same time as Mac, so things could still go wrong. But Agan saved the Day!

I haven't saved my PMs, so unless Agan saved hers, they're gone.

Lari, you did really well to stay alive the whole game- just having a Ranger around is a major deterent to the wolves.



-Khamûlia.

[Macalaure]

A few explanations about my suggestions (just so you know that I actually did think a little bit ):

I'm never good at spotting gifteds, even as a wolf, so often I chose somebody who I just thought could be dangerous in general, mostly because of an abundance of sanity. It turned out that those sane people were wraiths.

In Night 3 I had no idea about any gifteds. I chose Brinn because she seemed both innocent and sane, and after that insane Durelin lynch I thought getting rid of her would send the village into utter madness.

In Night 4 I suggested A Little Green, out of a gut feeling. I just felt that she had a special role, whether it's gifted or Frodo or even a wraith. I was wrong.

In Night 5 I suggested Rikae out of more or less the same reason, plus she looked too innocent to be kept alive.

In Night 6 I spent all day thinking about who to send only to forget sending anything in the end.

In Night 7 I suggested Aganzir because she was after Legate who I thought was a wraith. I did not suspect her of being the ranger, but I thought a dead Aganzir would have been less harmful to Legate than a living one, because he seemed to look innocent to most other people.

In Night 8 I still was more confused than ever and chose Nerwen because out of everybody, I thought she was most likely to "get it right".

[Aganzir]

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen (but not now because I'm going to sleep).

Originally Posted by Nerwen

just having a Ranger around is a major deterent to the wolves.

Yeah and it totally messed up our plans, especially as we were told you could protect yourself once. The last day wouldn't have been half so scary if we had killed you earlier.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen (but not now because I'm going to sleep).

I'd love to post the ones that I've got but they're on my computer and it's currently very much out of commission, so be patient with me please and I'll be sure to do my best!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen

Oh, it's fine by me– but is it fine by Macalaure? I seem to recall that we made a few uncomplimentary remarks about Mr Ferny...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, it's fine by me– but is it fine by Macalaure? I seem to recall that we made a few uncomplimentary remarks about Mr Ferny...

It was nothing so bad he couldn't read it, and the remarks wouldn't have been needed if he had paid more attention to possible clues.

I don't have Night 5 but here are the rest.

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Night 6

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't have much time toNight. I need to leave in a few hours as I've promised to see some friends in order to complete an RPG campaign we didn't manage to do when we were supposed to, and I won't be back till Morning.

Unless I hear from you soon, I'm just going to send a tentative kill choice to Kit and say you might change it later if you're around. I don't know when you're coming back so I don't want to risk missing a kill.

Brinn sent me your old PM's and I'm just skimming through them. Good job guessing my identity so quickly. I left a few very vague hints in addition to the extensive Frodo speculation, but doubted anyone would see them. And yeah when saying to you on day 1 that this village needs people with an ability to make ploys, I was kind of trying to suggest that if there was someone who could realise I was Frodo, it was you, but I didn't dare to be any more straightforward in case I was wrong about you.

So.

If the ranger doesn't stop us, we have to survive three days. I'm rather sure Mac will get lynched soon, although if we kill Rikae, that might not be the case.
If the ranger ever gets in the way, I suggest we put some hints in our posts about the night kill just in case we need to impersonate the ranger later to save us from the gallows / lure out the real ranger. It's going to be bad if we don't find xem soon & xe gets to reveal.

As for the last day, whenever it is... If we get people to waste their retractions, it's going to be an easy win. One possibility, if we're both alive, would be that we both choose one to accuse & be very sure about, and try to convince other people to follow us & retract. But it's a bit early to talk about it yet.
Let's at least try to avoid sacrificing each other as it's going to be so much easier if we're both alive. Also, days with only three people alive are horrible even as an ordo.

Lari. I have been encouraging the idea of her being Frodo, but her defences look quite honest so I don't know if we can get her lynched. Not without Rikae's contribution, at least. She's been controlling the game.

Mira. If Rikae is left alive, she could be made an easy lynch target.

Berry. I think he's relatively safe to keep around for now.

However, I would like to kill a newbie at some point because although they're all doing well, it would feel kind of unfair to win by trying to manipulate newbies. I doubt we have a newbie ranger, though. Lommy wasn't that transparent (I didn't catch her before her reveal), and I'm not sure a newbie would gamble by not protecting her, either.

Rikae. Is there any role she hasn't tried to impersonate? A thought that occurred to me was that she could be the ranger trying to look as weird as possible in hopes that we would ignore her. She'd definitely be good enough to catch Lommy & protect her before her reveal or gamble.

I wondered already then why she said that aloud because it just didn't seem necessary. You remember when I commented on what Legate said about Frodo wanting to stay low on day 1? It was simply a way for me to say Hello, I'd like to become a wolf! Rikae's comment on that looks like it was just a way for her to ensure the wraiths have something to think about - to make sure Lommy is not our only option. Okay she could have said it also if she's an ordo, but it makes sense if she's the ranger.
She doesn't seem to suspect you at all, of me she's a bit suspicious. Her death wouldn't point at us very much - actually she's the first to start suspecting Legate, so it could be interpreted as a Legwolf wanting to look innocent as long as possible. It could also be argued that she died so Mac's chances of getting lynched would be slimmer.
On the other hand, if she isn't the ranger, she could be protected tonight. But I'd be willing to take a risk. Now there's also a chance Mac is protected.

Legate. I rather didn't kill him. He's so off track and is alright with Mac alive.

Rune. He's been rather quiet but generally innocentish. He'd be a good no trace kill if we wanted one.

Mac. No way I'd like to kill him tonight. Even in the very unlikely case he isn't the cobbler, the village will lynch him if we leave him alive.

I laughed at this comment so much. No, poor Mac, you're not useless! It would've been good, though, if sally had told him his suggestion for night kill was not Frodo (if she did it, I didn't notice). I felt sorry for him when he went defending Greenie the day before yesterday.

Menel. Possible to get lynched at some point I think, especially if we leave Greenie alive too.

Greeny. First we make her lynch Menel. Then we can lynch her. Finds Mac innocent. She doesn't seem too dangerous right now, and we can always argue she's Frodo.

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Conclusion: I'd like to kill Rikae. It might contribute to suspicions against both Mira and Legate and lessen those against Mac.

Unfortunately I don't have time to wait till Ferny sends his suggestion. Another reason to assume he's Mac: last night we got his suggestion in 10 minutes from his post to the bad popularity cup.

Did any of you try to make her identity known to him? Can we have a reason to assume he knows who we are? Yesterday I said to him I didn't understand his Rikae suggestion, and I hope he realised it was a hint.

-Agan

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm going to send Rikae's name to Kit and say you might or might not change it later.
There are very small chances that I get online later - I highly doubt it, but it's not impossible.

See you in the day, then. Good luck.

-Agan

**

Night 7

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Agan! Sorry to leave you all on your lonesome... I just couldn't help it.

I'll make up for it toMorrow.

For now, I need to read the thread properly.

By the way– I notice Sally seems to have some idea that Legate is Ferny. I don't know why, because we were sent Mac's name on Night 1, and I can't imagine Legate doing that.

Oh, and a belated welcome aboard!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hey I'm here.

No problem, I understand. I was just getting a bit worried because I know the weather down there isn't quite nice at the moment and such. Also, in last game Strongbow & I were shirriffs and he just disappeared in the middle of the game so I'm a bit paranoid.

I very much doubt Legate is Ferny. He said himself that the cobbler, if not Mac, would be stupid to send in Mac's name. Also, just see how poor Mac tries to tell us things. Remember how he commented on sally's cobbler song?

I've tried to hint twice that I'm a wolf - I said his Rikae suggestion was weird, and yesterday I joked about he being still alive because he forgot to send his name to the wolves. Apparently that's the case as we didn't receive a name last night...
Yesterday he also said that although the cobbler may know some of the wolves, it's unlikely that he knows them all, and therefore he might accidentally vote for them. I don't know if any of you ever gave him the impression that you're wolves, but if you haven't done it, I think you should try, too. It'll be dangerous if he attacks you not knowing who you are.

I believe he attacked me yesterday because he thinks I want to lynch him tomorrow & wants to make me look better if that happens. I'd like to keep him alive, though. I said he should be lynched if we can't come up with any strong suspects, but I think I could go after Legate or Lari or Menel really hard tomorrow, being convinced that one of them is a wolf.

I might be more suspected because of my contribution in the Greenie lynch. I was not the only one who suspected her, though, so I don't know.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I might give it a try, now that the village is running low on the sort of people who would pick up hints like that. It was too risky before, with the likes of Rikae around. I don't think Mac has any idea about me yet.

Well, I'm going to agree that Mac might be Ferny, but then I'm going to push that idea that we should be trying to get a wraith if we can.

Perhaps we should agree on our targets now? I was thinking of going after Menel myself, though probably less aggressively. By the way: Rikae's "wolfchart" is certainly useful.

Who do you want to kill?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

That's one of the reasons I picked Rikae.

Okay.

I could waver between Lari & Legate. At this point of the game I have an excuse to be aggressive and totally ignore the people I don't find very suspicious, but if I manage to lynch yet another innocent in a row, things will probably look worse for me on the last day. Therefore it might be better if you got Menel lynched.
"I'm okay voting him, especially as Greenie turned out to be innocent against all odds, but I still have more doubts about Legate and Lari... Why am I still alive?? Am I so wrong about everything? Aieee!"

I was thinking about Beregond. I doubt, though, that he's the ranger, and it'd be important to get xem soon.

Hmm I think I could suggest the ranger to reveal tomorrow. Just because we need to get a wolf or Ferny or we're going to lose and it'd narrow the field blah blah etc... Then at least we could kill xem next night.

Berry might help frame both Lari and Menel as he expressed some minor suspicions against them. Also, he was very convinced of Legate's innocence. He didn't know what to think about us two.

I'm alright with someone else, too, though.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, I'll be considering Lari, too, so we can compromise if need me... she's said some things that sound so like newbie wolf slips I have to keep reminding myself why she can't be one...

Do you think there's any chance the Ranger is one of the newer players? Because, if not, there's only Legate, Menel and Rune left.

Yes... but I doubt the Ranger would take up the offer toMorrow unless he's under threat... and suggesting that he reveal anyway might make it look like you're trying, well, exactly what you are trying. Maybe you could put it as, "if the Ranger feels there's any chance at all he'll be lynched, he should reveal". Hopefully, if we spread the field reasonably wide, he will feel threatened.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

That sounds good. I could take Legate for my primary target but suspect Lari as well. Then I wouldn't be looked at too hard when one of them dies.

I've been thinking about the day after tomorrow... If Mac is alive, there'll be 3-3 (unless the ranger gets in the way). So, we need one innocent to waste xyr retraction on another innocent, and then we & Ferny can just jump on the bandwagon. I think the best way to do it would be to have a big argument about who the more likely wolf is, and try to convince others to vote the way we think & ask them to retract if need be.
Therefore you could find Legate innocentish and I could forget about Menel or Lari. Do you think that has a chance of succeeding?

Well, could be... Honestly, I have no idea. I have a feeling Rune could be the ranger but it doesn't have anything to back it up.

I know, but I've done it earlier when I've been innocent. If the village doesn't lynch a wraith or Ferny tomorrow, they probably lose. So it's up to the ranger if xe wants to help them by revealing...
I could at least throw the idea there even if I don't pursue it further. People's reactions might always reveal something.

Hmm killing Mira is a possibility, too. I doubt she'll get lynched - the village is concentrating on Lari too much right now.

I'll probably have to do some reading and make a list about people to clear my thoughts at some point... How long are you going to be around now?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Not a bad plan at all. I was going to not-suspect Legate anyway.

On the other hand, she has been suspected on-and-off– Rikae lists her as "RED" along with Mac– whereas nobody ever seems to have found Beregond suspicious.

I need to get some sleep now (it's late here). I'll be around again in a few hours.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ok. I could go through the thread during the evening (it's 5pm) and send you a PM, and wake up a bit earlier (like, two hours before the day starts). Do you think you could be online then so we could decide the kill and such?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

A part of the plans
Lari
Legate
Menel. Said he understood Lari's Sagittarius comment on day 1. If he doesn't explain it, he could be accused of being Ferny.
Mac

Not a part of the plans

Mirandir. Finds Lari suspicious. Lari doesn't really think she's guilty. Legate believes one wraith is between her & Mira. Berry thinks she's innocent.

Beregond. Thought Lari looked less suspicious yesterday. Earlier in the day he was a bit suspicious of both her & Menel, though. Lari finds him innocent. Seems to be okay with lynching Mac. Doesn't know what to think of us. Rune was a bit worried about him.

Rune. Lari seems to find him somewhat suspicious, at least at the beginning of the day. Berry finds him innocent. Considered voting for Menel. Thought tomorrow will reveal a lot about Legate & me. I'm afraid he might find me suspicious because of the part I played in Greenie's lynching. Also you bothered him. He seemed to be the most suspicious of Lari & Mira, but wavered on Lari.

I think it goes down between Berry and Rune in the end. I have no idea who the ranger could be, apart from some random feelings I don't want to use as a grounds for killing.

Killing Berry would make me feel better because I rather try to manipulate experienced players than newbies. However Rune might be more dangerous than him. Still, I doubt we're going to be lynched. We are just not suspected enough.

Okay I just got Ferny's suggestion. THANKS A LOT. I would have expected him to know by now who I am. Or then he just wants to express his annoyance about my behaviour... Maybe I should be a bit easier on Mac tomorrow.

And if the cobbler is not Mac, I'm going to kill someone.

I'll go to sleep now. See you before the day starts, I hope.

See what a fuss I made about that Sagittarius comment yet I didn't realise what it meant?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Good idea... we need an alternative cobbler-candidate. We could argue over whether he's more likely wraith or cobbler.

Beregond is more likely to be protected than Rune, though.

Well, he might be looking for confirmation. He did send in Brinniel's name at one point, though, and I don't think anyone except Rune and Lommy were on to her then.

Same here... but I think it has to be.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yes. And we should probably find each other quite innocent, and even if we question what the other says, it shouldn't affect our thoughts on each other. That way it's going to be easier tomorrow if all goes well. Of course we could try to win just by laying low and letting the village do the dirty work for us, but it's less fun.

Yeah that's true. And a ranger protection would be very bad for us at this point as it would give the village two known innocents if the ranger revealed.

Last night I had a dream we tried to kill Rikae and Gollum was the ranger and succesfully protected her.

He could have just believed Brinn is an ordo who'd make a good kill. Anyway, should you try to confirm to him that he was right about me? I got the impression he doesn't know who you are yet.

Hmm there was still something I was supposed to say but I don't remember it anymore.

I'll be here till deadline.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I might speculate on whether Ferny could know any of the wraith's identities by now– could he have sent in the names of people he suspected as a test?– etc.

So will I, though I might have to do some chores.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay. And it's excusable for you as you were away two days. But you should probably also say something that has to do with Mac and me - it could always be a mere coincidence that you got the testing part right.

Argh who is the ranger? And the protected depends on the ranger... I'm just afraid Berry might be such an easy kill that the ranger has noticed it too.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

He noticed Lommy, I think, the day before she revealed– at least, that's probably why she wasn't protected the next Night. Unless, of course, he was gambling on the wraiths thinking he would protect her, but that would be a pretty silly move under the circumstances.

So we've got either a sharp Ranger or a rather foolish one. I think we need to assume the former– in which case Beregond may be too much of a risk.

Mind you, the Ranger could be protecting yours truly right now, for all we know.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Legate caught Lommy before she revealed.
Rune's behaviour doesn't indicate he had thought of it. He didn't understand why Legate found Brinn's defence weak.
I doubt Menel would have protected Lommy, given that he believed Brinn first.
Berry wasn't sure about who to believe.
Lari wasn't sure either.
Mira didn't really seem to react to the whole thing.

Should we go for Legate? I can always pick another suspect after being baffled for a while. If we assume the ranger had noticed her, Legate is the only one who makes sense.
Also, first Rikae and then he might point at newbie wolves.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now that you set it out like that, yes, Legate looks like the best bet. He's also probably the most dangerous of the surviving good guys, so I think it's worth a try anyway.

If it's not him, it might be that it's Menel, and he's just playing dumb.

Shall we decide on Legate? We're running out of time.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Let's go for Legate. We can always accuse the newbies. I'll PM the name to Kit.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Good luck!

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Good luck to you, too. I'm heading for school shortly after deadline so not sure if I post anything yet.

Let's hope we got it right.

-Mr Aggins, erm, Underhill

**

Night 8

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have to leave for school now, no time to post until after the exam.

We should probably PM Kit to ask about the ranger's ability to protect herself. It seems likely Lari came up with it only to avoid being killed (if she really could protect herself, it'd be more useful not to say it aloud & have us waste our kill), but checking won't harm us.

I came online really tired and they were all of a sudden planning to lynch you so I might have overreacted a bit. Not that it's anything strange from me at this point of the game, though. And it can always be argued, if need be, that I've never had any problem with voting for my fellows...

The voting went pretty close, although now I probably look somewhat bad for lynching an innocent yet again. I hope it didn't incriminate us too much. But I hope Mac should catch you now.

This is looking quite good.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'll PM Kit in a moment. Lari may have been telling the truth, and hadn't thought it through.

If Lari can indeed protect herself, how about Mira? It would frame Beregond nicely.

Thanks so much for the save! I could have killed Mac! And I was just about to lead up to my "hint hint" bit when the idiot suddenly voted me.

He'd better get it now.

Still, I think it looked quite innocent of you to try and save me, considering how specious their reasons for voting me were.

*sigh* I can really sympathise with Brinn on Day One.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Could be an option. However, she's probably the most suspected right now, and if she died, people would start looking somewhere else. We might get some attention we don't want to. And there also have to be players who are suspicious enough to justify not suggesting voting for Mac in lack of anything else.

I hope we can get Lari, though. I think Kit would have told her at the beginning if she can protect herself, and she claimed she had asked her one night.

Yeah... I was like No no no it can't end like this it's been going so well grrr come back and retract! and it was scary every time I noticed someone who hadn't voted yet had posted.
You could consider it a compliment, though - he seemed to think you looked so innocent. Or then he wanted to make you look a bit suspicious so no one would be surprised when you didn't die in the night. If that's the case, he failed miserably and should feel sorry.

I hope so. But the village is probably getting paranoid and might soon find anything suspicious. I'm afraid someone will come up with something really incriminating after pondering a while and realising there are not so many suspicious people left anymore...

Considering each other innocent without a doubt tomorrow might be a good thing to do as then it's probably more likely that others will do so as well.
I can be properly around only during the later half of the day (but I don't have to wake up early on Friday so technically I could be here till deadline if need be). However, if you, Mac and me all happen to be online at the same time, we could of course just go and vote for someone so xe'd get three votes first. That's a boring option but easier.
And, well, if we can convince someone to retract for an innocent, it's a sure win.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

True. Note that we can lynch Mac, though, if we need to... as long as we're able to make the kill toNight and toMorrow Night.

...Which brings us back to that pesky Ranger. It would be nice if we could get rid of her now. Just so you know, I PM'd Kit, but she hasn't got back to me yet.

If I'd died, I was going to neg-rep him: "Worst. Cobbler. Ever."

I'm not sure when I'll be able to get online toMorrow– it may not be for very long (family stuff again). Probably early-ish in the Day, and then again lateish.

The problem is Mac, really, or rather getting him to catch on to who we are without anyone else picking it up. At least we're now running out of experienced players.

As long as we kill someone toNight, we can keep right on suspecting Mac toMorrow: "Ferny doesn't matter anymore– we have to get a wraith toDay, look at the numbers", etc.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh yes that's true. I hadn't thought so far.

Okay thanks. I wonder what we should do if she can protect herself or Kit won't tell us. She hasn't done that any time earlier, though, so I doubt she can, but still... And if we don't kill her, we can't lynch Mac tomorrow.

Hmm looking at her lists, there are some inconsistencies. In #1022 she said she protected Brinn, Mac, no one, Mac, and me. In her next post she claims she protected Fea before protecting Mac for the first time. At the same time she indicates it happened on night 3 when Nog died.
If she's still alive tomorrow, she could be at least suspected for that.

I'm hoping he catches on my "The cobbler who's afraid of accidentally voting for a wolf, eh?" when I was speaking about his vote for you. Of course if he sends us a name tonight, you could accidentally mention it tomorrow... I've addressed him about his suggestions (or the lack of them) in my first post every day I've been a wolf and I think it's worked. That would probably be the easiest way to convince him if he doesn't know about you already.

Yeah. Let's see how the situation looks tomorrow.

Some thoughts on people.

Lari. Should be killed if possible.

Mira. I suppose she's going after Berry tomorrow. She was apparently suspicious of Lari the day before yesterday but didn't really mention her anymore yesterday (she was barely around then, though). Rune is suspicious of her, and if we try to keep him concentrating on something else than us, Mira might be good to leave alive. While we could frame Berry by killing her, I think she's considered more suspicious than him.

Berry. Finds us innocent. Although his reaction to my complaints about them suspecting you looked innocent, he could be accused of jumping in the bandwagon the cobbler started.

Rune. Considered quite innocent. I wouldn't like to go after him tonight if we can't kill Lari, though, just because the thought of leaving only newbie innocents alive doesn't sound fair. He might be convinced to vote for Mira, though. He's the only one whose reaction to the suspicion against you we haven't seen yet, and I'm a bit worried. He's like Rikae in the sense that I always just wait for him to start suspecting me again.
He doesn't seem like a too big threat for the time being although he expressed some unease about you a few days ago.

Mac. Should be kept alive and rewarded if he does his work well.

I'll go to bed soon, I've only slept some 10 hours during the last two nights and I'm rather tired. I'll be back some 2-1,5 hours before deadline as usual, hope to see you again then.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

First, the news:

1. Yes, Strider can protect himself for one Night.

2. Ferny suggests me as the kill toNight. Either he is checking us out... or yeah, Worst Cobbler Ever...

I made sure to point out that her being alive toMorrow wouldn't prove anything. What about if I raise that point toMorrow and you jump in to defend her? Then she'll probably be sure you're innocent and will protect you again.

Who do you feel like killing now? Beregond? Sort of a pity when Mira's all set to make a case on him... but we could suggest that she was rather clumsily laying the groundwork for getting an innocent Berry lynched, and then her packmate overruled her. Or something like that.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ouch. I suppose she's going to pick tonight, then, as tomorrow it's so important they get a wolf. Argh I'm annoyed the Sagittarius comment set me off but I didn't realise what it meant even after Menel had come and said he did!

Could be both. You could start complaining about Mac's wish to get you killed tomorrow or something alike?

Okay let's do so. Mac will probably agree with you. Just be careful you don't overdo it because that would be seen as suspicious.
And, if we just get a chance, let's lynch her tomorrow. She'd deserve it, such a nasty ranger, causing us so much headache!

Well he'd be a good enough choice... Especially if we want to leave also others than newbies alive. At least he isn't suspected.
His death could make Mira look more innocent but so what? The other two deaths have pretty much framed her, which was brought up yesterday, so now we can argue the wolves wanted to make a kill that doesn't point at her guilt at all.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes... I wonder what kind of hint would be broad enough without being too broad?

There, there... Actually, she's been nice enough to protect the evil side most Nights, so what are you complaining about?

Good thinking. Shall we lock in Berry, then?

By the way– I will have to leave soon after the start of the Day, and won't be back again for quite a while. Also, most annoyingly, I probably won't be around near the DL.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Something like... "The more I think of it, the less I like Mac's suggestion to kill me. It doesn't make sense that he should want to kill one of the people Legate found innocent. Mighty cobblerish." I doubt anyone else would get it. And I can agree. Then at least he should realise it.

Hmm actually according to her list, she protected our side every night, except when she didn't protect anyone.

Let's get him. I can PM Kit.

Okay. I have to leave a few minutes before the day starts, don't know when I'll be back. Depends on how long the exam takes me. Then I'll be around for a few hours and have to leave again, but that won't take so long, and after it I can be online as long as I wish.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Even if Lari for some reason protected Berry tonight, we can win. It's about the same as if Mac was lynched tomorrow - we just need to kill someone in the night and that's it.

Anyway I hope this is our last day, then. Thanks, it's been awesome to wolf with you.

Good luck!

-Agan

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Likewise. Whoever would have thought Frodo Baggins would make such a good wraith?

Good luck!

**

On night 9 there was little more than our decision to kill Lari.

[Beregond]

Well, good game everyone! As my first game, I enjoyed it. Thanks for keeping me alive so long! You probably shouldn't have, villagers, since I made some pretty bad choices near the end. Agan, you twice influenced my vote the wrong way before I really suspected you, darnit. You were very good at being innocent. And then I was dead. I was surprised to be killed because I was more or less helping out the wraiths, but I figured they picked me to be safe from Lari's ranger powers (didn't think that I'd been saved the day before for the opposite reason).

[Thinlómien]

Oh, what a game.



Really, congrats wraiths, you were awesome. You deserved to win although I wouldn't have wanted you to.

I hold a grudge against Agan, though - I was reading the thread after my death (knowing the roles) and tearing my hair: "Oh, why can't I be alive? You are leaving such obvious clues! And I'm not there to point them out!" Agan: "Exactly, darling. But because you and [insert various other names here] are dead, I dare to leave them." That was so frustrating!

Thanks, everybody, especially Kit.

More comments and reps will come later...