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Macalaure · 02-18-2009, 09:31 AM

Tough one, but I enjoy the evilness of Sauron in Númenor more than the evilness displayed by the Witch-king in LotR.

++Sauron

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-18-2009, 09:37 AM

Yes, for this match it seems to be Sauron of First and/or
Second Ages vs. TWK in the Third. Third Age Sauron,
especially PJ's eyeball variant, seems a touch lacking in
personality.

Actually they were both rather cowardly (or shall we say,
favorably disposed to strategic redeployments) in combat
situations.

Durelin · 02-18-2009, 11:05 AM

++The Witch King

I just have to. I normally like the minions more than the big baddies anyway. Of course Sauron is a minion himself, but... The nazgul (in the books, mind) were very frightening to me...much scarier and more menacing than Sauron ever was. This is only TA Sauron, but...I've only read pieces of the Sil, so, that's who I'm most familiar with!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-18-2009, 02:11 PM

I agree with Durelin and have to vote the WK. I wholeheartedly agree about the First Age Sauron (and Second Age), but WK is a nice guy. He's a Nazgul. In some way, I like him more than Sauron. I will go and like to have a chat with him. With Sauron, no way.

++The Witch-King of Angmar

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 02-18-2009, 02:16 PM

++Sauron

Just because.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-18-2009, 02:49 PM

+ + Witch King of Angmar

He started out as "only" a man and
grew (descended?) into evilness.
Perhaps because he had been a
powerful king earlier he had a nice evil
way of psyching out opponents (almost
Smaugish). See: Earnur

the phantom · 02-18-2009, 03:14 PM

The Witch King is awesome. He could win this thing.

But then there is the argument that without Sauron there would be no Witch King.

But surely the apprentice is allowed to eclipse his master?

But then there is the first and second age... I just can't get past that. Sauron was so incredibly awesome. The business with Beren. He was soooo evil. And he could change into a flying vampire. And he's responsible for Werewolves. And he fooled people again and again. He brought down the greatest empire ever through deception and clever speaking.

That's just impossibly evil.

++Sauron

02-18-2009, 09:37 AM	#2
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Yes, for this match it seems to be Sauron of First and/or Second Ages vs. TWK in the Third. Third Age Sauron, especially PJ's eyeball variant, seems a touch lacking in personality. Actually they were both rather cowardly (or shall we say, favorably disposed to strategic redeployments) in combat situations. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-18-2009, 02:11 PM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I agree with Durelin and have to vote the WK. I wholeheartedly agree about the First Age Sauron (and Second Age), but WK is a nice guy. He's a Nazgul. In some way, I like him more than Sauron. I will go and like to have a chat with him. With Sauron, no way. ++The Witch-King of Angmar __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-18-2009, 02:16 PM	#5
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	++Sauron Just because. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

02-18-2009, 02:49 PM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Witch King of Angmar He started out as "only" a man and grew (descended?) into evilness. Perhaps because he had been a powerful king earlier he had a nice evil way of psyching out opponents (almost Smaugish). See: Earnur __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-18-2009, 03:14 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	The Witch King is awesome. He could win this thing. But then there is the argument that without Sauron there would be no Witch King. But surely the apprentice is allowed to eclipse his master? But then there is the first and second age... I just can't get past that. Sauron was so incredibly awesome. The business with Beren. He was soooo evil. And he could change into a flying vampire. And he's responsible for Werewolves. And he fooled people again and again. He brought down the greatest empire ever through deception and clever speaking. That's just impossibly evil. ++Sauron __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-18-2009, 09:31 AM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Tough one, but I enjoy the evilness of Sauron in Númenor more than the evilness displayed by the Witch-king in LotR. ++Sauron

02-18-2009, 11:05 AM	#3
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	++The Witch King I just have to. I normally like the minions more than the big baddies anyway. Of course Sauron is a minion himself, but... The nazgul (in the books, mind) were very frightening to me...much scarier and more menacing than Sauron ever was. This is only TA Sauron, but...I've only read pieces of the Sil, so, that's who I'm most familiar with!

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