WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

But elsewhere I've played, I don't think I ever saw a baddie with a posting requirement. I think for the most part, because they always draw quick attention, and you can even get lynched depending on the level of annoying-ness.

But don't forget that not all posting requirements are such by nature that they can be executed at any time - or that they should be executed all the time.

Yes, to what use would working out whom has a posting requirement?
It could help distinguish the ones who actually have them, and the ones who are trying to look like they have one.

I think Sally said it quite clearly that everyone will have some posting requirements. It is, I think, the whole clue to this game that we need to play something that is forced on us - whatever it is.

Looking at your confusion about this issue (thinking that some have requirements and others don't) just increases my slight suspicions on Rikae... and possibly you as well. Though to your credit it must be said you did not claim you had no requirements on your posting so you were not lying about it like Rikae did.

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

But if that "giving requirements" -stuff was the whole point of the game, I dare to doubt that possibility.

EDIT: X'd with Izzy, Rikae and Mira

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Page 1 - Nothing.

Page 2 - Nothing.

Page 3 - A couple of people mention their "assignments". I didn't get one. Woe is me.

Page 4 - Rise of the Durelin!

Also,

Originally Posted by Nerwen

kthnx shasta u iz my frend 4 lyfe!!!111!!!

Translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, thanks, Shasta! You're my friend for life!

Also,

Originally Posted by Sally

Really, does Phantom ever do a good job the first time?

...That's what she said. I know Durelin said it already but I wanted to reiterate.

Durelin is quite logical, what with all those lists...

Nerwen's posting requirement could be smileys.

Fea's could be one-liners?


Page 5

Originally Posted by Lari

lyke omg! cans we be bffs?!!!!111?????//??!?

Sigh, another client.

Originally Posted by Lari

Like, oh my goodness! Can we be best friends forever?

Lari also speculates some on roles.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

YES!!!!!plz!plz!!111plz1111!!!!shasta iz my bff now but liek u can be 2!!!!!!AWSUM!!!111

translates to:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes! Please, please! Shasta is my best friend forever now, but, like, you can be too! Awesome!

Wilwa looks good to me.

So does Mira.

And Legate (wait, what?)

Hey, here's something.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Fish.

And then...

Originally Posted by Mac

Durelin's reply to Nogrod's point strikes me as fishy

(bolding mine)

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Page 6 (so far)

Funny, Izzy. :P

Also, I'm getting a strange vibe from Nogrod. Why are you so insistent that Rikae lied about having a posting requirement? You yourself said you didn't have one. I can say with surety that I don't have one. Yet you seem to be starting to put suspicion on Rikae for something you yourself said, and I don't like that.

*watches Nogrod*

[Rikae]

Ok, Nogrod, before you go flatly stating that I "lied", I suggest you go reread what Sally said. It only implies that everyone will have a role, not that they will be required to post something.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Feanor of the Peredhil - I'll be sad if she can't banter. Fea-banter makes the game for me.
Brinniel - I always think she's innocent. *slaps self* Gotta stop doing that...
wilwarin538 - Looks pretty innocent to me.
Shastanis Althreduin - Obviously a Werebear/Werewolf/Wereduck/Werehotairballoon. LYNCH!
Mirandir - Very floaty, our Mira. But if she's evil, she's suicidal. I feel good about her.
Durelin - Speaks sense. I think she's innocent.
Nogrod - Will probably get my vote today. See above post.
Isabellkya - No read.
Nerwen - Berry berry bouncy. But she could be a bouncy wolf. Otherwise, no read.
Rikae - I think she's innocent. But then again, much like Brinn, I always think she's innocent. *sigh*
Mith - Grey Queen Mith! otherwise no read.
Kath - No real read, other than she's on the "serious" side of the fence and strikes me as innocent for being there.
Lari - Chattery. Wolfish? Maybe. No read.
Mac - I always think Mac's evil, but, no read.
Nienna - I'll give her a day.
Gwathagor - No read.
Thinlómien - Serious side of the fence. Otherwise, no read.
Legate of Amon Lanc - Leaning innocent.
Nilpaurion Felagund - ...it's freaking Nilp.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta - has to translate Nerwen's sayings
Nogrod - has to twist other people's words

Seriously, this game drives me crazy.


edit: xed with Rikae

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

It seems that people are focusing on that little group of chatterers which might be a good idea.

Actually, I'm not quite sure. I mean, we shouldn't merely concentrate on such a small group of people, surely.

Could people please stop posting IC and making stupid jokes? This game is difficult enough to follow even without that...

Sorry to be a bit grumpy, but I don't like being this confused. I will try to find some suspicious behaviour next...


edit: xed with Mith and Shasta

[Nogrod]

Haha. Here we go again!

Originally Posted by Shasta

Also, I'm getting a strange vibe from Nogrod. Why are you so insistent that Rikae lied about having a posting requirement? You yourself said you didn't have one.

No I didn't. Read the thread. I said I had a different obligation to fulfill than "be loud", "be silent", "make lists", "do not banter"...

Interestingly enough Dury comes to speculate on that very issue immediately, even lending the part of my post you should have read Shasta.

Originally Posted by Dury

Which is perhaps precisely what Rikae meant herself.

Now this is interesting in itself as well. I know people may talk on behalf of others but this looks a bit fishy, like a rush to defend someone indeed. Somehow the wording of it makes me suspect it even more; perhaps precisely? Now if you just shoot in the dark not knowing what's going on you don't use a word like "precisely" for someone else's intentions...

Also Dury says:

Originally Posted by Dury

That particular comment was responding to his posting style in general. The rest was about his comment on my damning 'possibility'. That was not at all clear, I know, I know.

You have really fine antennas to respond to someone's posting style when that person had only done one short post to comment on in the first place. And from that one post you were able to say that I'm trying too hard and am bad... But you said there also that I am my normal self (Nogrod is just Nogrod) and we all know that was a bit different post from me if you compare it with these latter ones I've done after it (I was in a hurry and was only able to make the one point back then). So it wasn't too earnest, was it?

Originally Posted by Mac

Nog, what you quote from the admin thread pretty clearly says "roles and/or requirement".

I indeed saw it as I was copy-pasting it this time - and had to think for a moment whether I was mistaken and should just pull back all I had said on the issue. But if you look at that quote more closely you should see that Sally clearly meant there was to be requirements for all to do things they wouldn't usually do (I bolded a host of parts from that quote to make that interpretation clearer). Look and see for yourselves.

I think this - added to the other things in her post - is the most important one:

Originally Posted by Sally

will require you all to think outside the box in terms of how you normally approach Werewolf

Okay. Why do I always have to be a goodie in a game that has dozens of cobblers in it?

Gah, too many things going on... Back soon with further thoughts - after a cigarette to cool my brain.

[Mithalwen]

I may have to break the be nice to newbies convention and vote Nienna. Despite her fondness for my Uncle Bill she is quite the most irritating Vala I have encountered in a WW game.

consider me officially off my trolley. Alternatively I could beg you all to lynch me and free me from this madness to rejoin the greyness, but that would be selfish.. I must meet my doom ....

I need to go soon and won't be back pre deadline.

I won't be voting for Dury, Lommie, or Mac because they are not making referencees to things I don't understand. I have never seen the Princess Bride. or whatever ...

Nilp is also exempt for being his delightful self (biased Mummie).

Rikae is interesting.

I am quite enjoying the Shasta / Nerwen double act but that just meand they are amusing. They could be feathered.

[Rikae]

Nogrod always goes after me, and for strange reasons like that. Always. Every single game. This time, though, I think there may be more behind it than the usual habit - because of the way he does the same for several people at once. He seems a bit desperate to control the suspicions in this game.

Well, anyway -

I want to spend the evening with Bubbles, and, later, some work I've been putting off, so I'm going to call it a night. Lynch me if you like, I don't mind, but please don't go accusing me of being unsporting. '

++Nogrod

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You have really fine antennas to respond to someone's posting style when that person had only done one short post to comment on in the first place.

Well, with Fea not talking and Nerwen being a fangirl/cheerleader and Brinniel just posting one-liners, I was wondering if we'd see something quite interesting out of you, and was rather looking forward to it.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And from that one post you were able to say that I'm trying too hard and am bad...

Eh, the bad part was a hunch. Or maybe just a guess. Had to put you on the list somewhere.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But you said there also that I am my normal self (Nogrod is just Nogrod)

Yes. Trying very hard to get people to take the game more seriously.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

and we all know that was a bit different post from me if you compare it with these latter ones I've done after it (I was in a hurry and was only able to make the one point back then). So it wasn't too earnest, was it?

Yes, you are posting differently now. You're still trying too hard, but in a different way.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now this is interesting in itself as well. I know people may talk on behalf of others but this looks a bit fishy, like a rush to defend someone indeed. Somehow the wording of it makes me suspect it even more; perhaps precisely? Now if you just shoot in the dark not knowing what's going on you don't use a word like "precisely" for someone else's intentions...

Yes, trying too hard is now a fair accusation.

(Edit: Crossed with Mith and Rikae...ooh, our first vote!)

[Macalaure]

There are some people for who I could justify a vote for, but I don't feel extremely comfortable with either. I think I'll vote for someone who only bantered so far. It's Nienna's first game and Miri told us she will post something worthwhile later, so they're off the hook. Unless I'm forgetting someone, this leaves Brinn and Gwath. My gut says...

++Gwathagor


Other comments:

I'm a bit worried about how easily Mith took over Nogrod's "lie" thing about Rikae.

Sally's requirement for Lommy was to go insane.
Was Legate's requirement to complain all the time?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Perhaps specifically against Rikae for a reason?

You mean "Lynch Rikae or 24 players of your choice"?

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nogrod and Mac seem like they're trying to do some poking at people.

Only Day1 tactic that makes moderate sense, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I indeed saw it as I was copy-pasting it this time - and had to think for a moment whether I was mistaken and should just pull back all I had said on the issue. But if you look at that quote more closely you should see that Sally clearly meant there was to be requirements for all to do things they wouldn't usually do (I bolded a host of parts from that quote to make that interpretation clearer). Look and see for yourselves.

You mean Sally was inconsistent? Shocker!

[Nogrod]

First of all. Compare this page with the three (four) first ones.

And this time those posting on the first four can not say they made this discussion possible as they didn't (except a few individual posts that stood out from there miles away).

And just as this is getting interesting some people wish to start talking about preferable ways of dying... distracting a process of inquiry, suspicion, answers, forced bluffs - what this game is all about!

And what is this then?

Originally Posted by Rikae on me

He seems a bit desperate to control the suspicions in this game.

Hah. Show me someone else who has suspected anyone with any grounds so far (not including the reactions how some have started suspecting me because of what I have said - and which Shasta's promise and your vote just underline)! One doesn't need to try and control something one is the only one doing...

So it looks like I started my post on a relevant topic then. Go back to the game of the first four pages if you wish. Your choice.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

First of all. Compare this page with the three (four) first ones.
And this time those posting on the first four can not say they made this discussion possible as they didn't (except a few individual posts that stood out from there miles away).

Actually, I think they did provoke discussion. At least i started suspecting them and still do.

My problem with this game is that I really can't concentrate on people because it's all so messy.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Me

Show me someone else who has suspected anyone with any grounds so far

Okay. Toning that down a little bit I am. There have been some individual suspicions thrown around, although I think not any consistent cases or actual scenarios or ones that would actually be reasonable grounds for a case and a vote.

Sorry, I got frustrated with all this nonsense going about and all around - and as I need to go to sleep soon enough Rikae's vote (and Shasta's speculation about his vote) just made me over-state the things from pure frustration.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Moddess

you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game. Some will be fun things for you to do or contain information about Daily challenges you must complete, while others will be highly specific and may contain the moddess synopsis of your playing style/memes

Bolding and italics mine.

But hey, why don't we lynch Shasta, he's lying too, right Nogrod?

EDIT: Ooops, the whole thing is in italics when I post it and I can't figure out why. I had "or" in italics.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Bolding and italics mine.

But hey, why don't we lynch Shasta, he's lying too, right Nogrod?

Gee, thanks...

[Isabellkya]

I read it. I understood, and understand what it says.
Are you sure you read it clearly, Nog?

It was a valid assumption based on your postings up until then Shasta,



X'd with Shasta and Lommie

[Durelin]

Nog-cobbler?

I don't think he seems very sinister, just like he's trying to stir things up. Perhaps specifically against Rikae for a reason?

Rikae seems quite normal. Fairly belligerent.

I am agreeing a lot with Shasta and Lommy.

Nogrod and Mac seem like they're trying (Nogrod seems to be trying quite hard) to do some poking at people.

Kath and Izzy seem to be trying very hard to do some traditional suspecting.

Basically some people seem to be trying a little too hard to do...something. That could have to do with their assignments, but it also could still have to do with their roles.

Originally Posted by Modduckess

With that in mind, you will each receive personalized PMs detailing your obligations and/or role for the game. Some will be fun things for you to do or contain information about Daily challenges you must complete, while others will be highly specific and may contain the moddess synopsis of your playing style/memes. (In advance, no offense is meant to anyone, except of course Phantom and Mith. All of you are fine people and fine players, but since I want to create utter havoc with your brains I first have to identify and disassemble the way you behave now in order to have my fun.

For some reason I've been thinking that we will receive various assignments or obligations throughout there game, but there is nothing that says that. Darn, lol. I wonder how many of us will keep up with our assignment throughout the entire game...I don't know if this is a bad game to get lynched/killed on day/night 2 or 3...

(Edit: Crossed with Rikaex2

[Mithalwen]

I anm still slogging through the posts having had various technical issues but just on past experience, I don't know how significant a Rikae lie is... she is someone who likes to mix things up to get a reaction ..in someways a lie for her might be honest... since she might be more careful as a wrong-un ..unless of course self sacrifice is her mission. Anyway .. I suppse I should actually read her posts before commenting ..though that is liable to prejudice one so.. and is so much effort... though I see The Phantom has posted... a brief glimmer of light in my darkness...

[Macalaure]

Nog, what you quote from the admin thread pretty clearly says "roles and/or requirement".

Originally Posted by Shasta

Mac's posting requirement could be to use a specific word posted by the moddess at some point during the day? I don't know, the word "fishy" just stuck out to me so soon after Mnemo posted for no reason. And it was Mac's first post after she posted.

Fish blow bubbles?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So the problem with Rikae is that she lied - and I can't see a reason a good gifted should have felt a need to make such a lie at that point in the game. Or then Sally has failed to give her the requirements she gave everyone else.

She may be required to deny having special powers, based on past history of claiming every known (and fake) role available.

Or, she might just not have orders about behavior. Like she said.

I honestly don't think any of the special orders are particularly linked. For instance, I think Nienna is required to devote a lot of her time to Shakespeare. And I think that the phantom is required to reference things said by an unknown female at any opportune moment. And I know that I should stop talking now.

[Durelin]

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Well hi, Lari.

The Votes:

234 Rikae >> Nogrod (1)
237 Macalaure >> Gwathagor (1)
253 Mithalwen >> Lariren (1)
254 Kath >> Brinniel (1)
288 Lariren >> Durelin (1)
289 Nogrod >> Durelin (2)

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean only four votes up to now. Why encourage thinking mainly of them (yeah, you mentioned a few others in the end of the post to be sure but they were not like "let's consider these")? And what bothers me is that you have nothing particular to say about any of these four first votes - so you just want to concentrate our thinking on these people - wishing to see those people discussed while you yourself can afterwards say you had no damning points on them if one of them gets lynched and is proved to be an innocent?

It's a way of looking at a few people out of a village of 18. In one post. And I did say particular things about them, though no, not 3 pages worth or anything.

I'm trying to be a better player here than my usual self so I'm trying the analysis thing. I guess it just doesn't suit me.

Originally Posted by Gwath

As far as I can tell, Nogrod seems to be his usual self.

Yeah, pretty much. A bit more belligerent perhaps. But I think he's usually nicer as a wolf anyway.

So yeah, definitely moving on from Nogrod...just need to find the time.

[Thinlómien]

Aiee I should vote soon, it's dreadfully late here.

[Thinlómien]

Okay

++Lariren

I considered voting her before and she just does not seem to innocent to me. Her bantery posts don't look too good. She should know better.

I'm surprised if she's a wolf though. Oh well, it's Day1...

edit: xed with Legate who should shut up because it's almost 4am here...

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay

++Lariren

I considered voting her before and she just does not seem to innocent to me. Her bantery posts don't look too good. She should know better.

So you're voting for her because she bantered for the first three pages just like Nienna, phantom, sally, and I all did. That makes sense. You claim she should know better but so should everyone else. That seems highly suspicious in my opinion.

That analysis is coming shortly. I got dragged away to watch my friends' air band play.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Nog, I was being nice to you because last night I was up till almost 3 am posting on this game and I know I did not like it.

Now who is here till 3 AM...

All right, but I should just vote and go. Great. Hmm...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't consider her very guilty. Not even particularly suspicious. In fact, I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

++Durelin

But let's call that just an experiment.

[wilwarin538]

I'm here and reading...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Legate

I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

I'd say I am offended except that I only sort of hope so, too. This game is distracting me a bit too much from job applications and papers...

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't consider her very guilty. Not even particularly suspicious. In fact, I sort of hope that she won't get lynched.

++Durelin

But let's call that just an experiment.

I'm not sure how i feel about someone voting for someone else as an experiment... that just bothers me... I'll wait before voting but right now I'm leaning toward Legate.

[Brinniel]

I don't like either Lommy or Legate's votes. Why vote for someone if you don't think they're the were-duck?

[Thinlómien]

I smell a consensus that precedes a bandwagon...

Good night and Night!

edit: xed with Brinn

[Gwathagor]

Suspicious
Rikae
Nogrod
Sally!

Sort of Suspicious
Legate
Durelin

Un-Suspicious
Nerwen
Shasta
Thinlomien

Innocent
Fea
Brinniel

If I HAD to guess, I'd say that Nogrod might be a cobbler, although he has been making sense. Legate's vote for Durelin looks pretty bad to me, but I don't think that a clever wolf would do anything quite that obvious. If I haven't mentioned anyone, it's because I really don't know.

Oh yikes, I have to run to a theatre meeting. I don't know if I'll make it back before DL, so here's my vote:

++Legate

[Mirandir]

Rikae -> Nog
Mac -> Gwath
Mith -> Lari
Kath -> Brinn
Lari -> Durie
Nog -> Durie
Lommy -> Lari
Legate ->Durie
Gwath -> Legate (not bolded)
Mira -> Lommy
Izzy -> Lari


Lari and Durie- 3, Nog, Gwath, Brinn, Legate, Lommy - 1

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Brinn

Self preservation. On a meta-level. And now...

By a sleep to say we end the heartache...

One can hope...

[Nienna]

++ Legate

His vote as an experiment bothered me... experiments are controlled environments where only one variable has been changed... this is nowhere near being a controlled environment. Sorry i just went all psych major... Now as long as no one confuses correlation and causation we should be fine.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Brin

I only got three hours of sleep last night...

That's what she said.

[wilwarin538]

Hmm, k, trying to read and nothing is going into my brain . So I will vote now. I don't want to add any more names into the mix so here are the votes so far:

Lari and Durie- 3, Brinn and Legate - 2, Nog, Gwath, Lommy - 1

So, for the most part I'm not overly suspicious of any of them, most of them actually I don't really have a read on at all, but I need to vote so here it goes, hopefully it all works out:

++Legate

I'm being honest when I say that this vote is not as founded on any suspicion as I would like.

Good luck everyone, hopefully I'll be back to this insanity toMorrow.