WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

First of all. Compare this page with the three (four) first ones.
And this time those posting on the first four can not say they made this discussion possible as they didn't (except a few individual posts that stood out from there miles away).

Actually, I think they did provoke discussion. At least i started suspecting them and still do.

My problem with this game is that I really can't concentrate on people because it's all so messy.

[Isabellkya]

Sally did say the game would mess with our minds. As well that it would "require you all to think outside the box in terms of how you normally approach Werewolf."

So I think if you are going to be a stickler for parts of what was posted by the Moddess on the Admin thread- then you should do it for all.

We all might as well throw what we consider to be normal and expectant out the window right now and be done with it. Looking at everything through fresh and new eyes - rather than those of comparing and past performances.


X'd with Mith, Shasta and Nog.

[Mithalwen]

If we have to be different ..I suppose that means NOT lynching Gwathagor day one, me not voting Nogrod for the hell of it.. *sigh*

[satansaloser2005]

Everyone has EITHER a role OR some kind of posting requirement. Most have both, but not everyone does. Some people's role dictates how they behave, while others have....well, let's just say cracked out instructions. The point of the game was that no one was just a standard role or an ordo who could float through the game.


And please stop telling people if you don't have a posting requirement/that you do and what it is. Posting requirements (such as volume level or other crap) have nothing to do with a person's role and are just to make the game more random. The fact that someone does or does not have a posting requirement has no bearing on their alignment.


That is all. Well, not quite, but I must pop out for a second, so that's all for now.

[Kath]

Ooh and there we have the first real misunderstanding of the game! It does seem to be due to the language barrier again I think - there wouldn't have been half such a strong reaction if Nogrod hadn't used the word 'lie'. Lets just watch that a little.

Now I have to vote soon because I need to get to bed. I'm going to have a wander through the thread, see if I can think of anything.

My only comment right now is that I'm a little worried about a Day 1 vote for Gwath. I know his playing style is irritating but how many times has he been lynched early recently - if we're giving newbies a bit of leeway I think we should do the same for him.

I'm thinking something similar about Nog actually. This time especially it seems suspicion against him is based around that unfortunate comment.

[satansaloser2005]

Lynch Gwath toDay and I'll modfire the lot of you. Only applies to toDay, but I'm sick of the poor kid lynched at the start of the game. He lives through the Day. (And no, I really won't modfire the lot of you, but I'd appreciate it if you don't kill him on the first Day.) Manage to lynch Phantom and I'll send you all cookies.


That is all! *cheery face* Oh wait, I lied.



One of the people in our youth group just had a baby so tonight instead of having normal youth service we're going to go see her and her spawn. I shouldn't be gone past the deadline, but in case I am I'm trusting all of you to stop posting at 10pm and be good little minions until I get back. Just to let you know so you don't wonder why the Day's not being called.


K. THAT is all. Enjoy!

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lynch Gwath toDay and I'll modfire the lot of you.

Ha ha. What now, village?

[Kath]

Oh now having just seen sally's post I want to vote phantom! I said we should earlier and now I have mod approval. And the promise of cookies!

Other than phantom I would be tempted to vote Brinn. Haven't seen a huge amount from her since all the randomness - could be due to RL stuff but not sure.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. I don't like Kath, but that's just the typical way she always unnerves me.
Fea may be normal, looks normal, more or less, this far not any bad, really.
Brinniel I am not sure of, there was something sinister in there.
wilwarin538 looks more or less sensible, as well as Shastanis Althreduin and to an extent, Durelin. Isabellkya too.
Nogrod is just Nogrod. Mith looked normal, too. Lommy as well, to the point that it makes me wonder a bit.

Mirandir is one of the crazies posting four pages about nothing, eh?
Nerwen is the craziest person possible, I won't be surprised if that was a Duck.
Rikae was weird. Mac was weird. Lari is somebody. Nienna as well. Gwathagor. Nilp. I like the last one. Where is he? Is he around? Had he posted? I didn't notice.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Everyone has EITHER a role OR some kind of posting requirement. Most have both, but not everyone does. Some people's role dictates how they behave, while others have....well, let's just say cracked out instructions. The point of the game was that no one was just a standard role or an ordo who could float through the game.

Okay. Thanks.

Oh my. These situations suck always. Whether to speak openly or to tactically try to shut up and hope the baddies don't connect the dots?

What Sally just said cleared a few things but her announcement also gave us some clear guidelines to what some people are not and I do not believe all the Ducks here are that stupid they shouldn't read the following from her words. Also in this game I think one needs to talk as the conventional tactics might be so wrong anyway. And I'm a bit tired with all this nonsense anyway.

So let's talk this out.

If everyone has something (role and/or a requirement) so as not to make any plain ordos in this game it means that:

- most people have both a role and a requirement to do something
- those that have no role must have a requirement of sorts
- there are people with only a role but not a requirement

Rikae's reactions I can now find the most curious. She probably has a role and - as someone intelligent as she is and if being gifted - she would not have reacted that way. I thought already before Sally's revelation that her vote for me was a wolvish reaction/retaliation (especially as she is able to come back later and talk herself out of it if necessary whereas I need to go to sleep for toDay in an instant - so the unnecessarily early vote was very convenient indeed - and the way she had to add the framing of the "age-old feud" between us which I think is more than a bit overexaggerating it), but this kind of makes me more positive of it.

The ranger(s) should now think carefully as Sally's reveal might bear consequences.

[Mithalwen]

Well it is time I went and I hope to be more use later in the game - this really did catch me on the hop. I will resist the temptation to vote Kath (unfinished wereduck business), Nogrod (old times sake) or Fea (mercy killing - whatever she is having to do she is hating it.

So with the exemptions given earlier and the Gwath veto...

++Lariren Shadow

Far to chatty in a slightly manic way - huge post count .... unnerving. Nothin better to go on for now.

[Kath]

Alright, I'm going to go with:

++BRINN

Because that's a more useful if less fun vote than phantom. I don't know whether she might have RL reasons for having posted little other than bater recently but I can't hang around to see if she reappears with more later.

[Nogrod]

I'm torn apart just as I would have to vote.

I suspect Rikae quite a bit but am not sure if it is enough to lynch someone who does not speak nonsense all the time.

I still suspect Dury and am in confusion how to look at her more consiliatory tone of late; whether it speaks good or evil of her.

I would be more than happy to lynch the phantom as Kath proposed but sadly that would not help us even a tiny little bit.

I am drawn to vote for one of our nonsensers as well. If we have a game of talking and suspecting we should all play it. That would include at least Lari, Mira and Brinn. From those belonging to the same group I'd refrain from voting for Mith (it looks like she is not in this game wholeheartedly), Gwath (like Sally said; too many speedy lynches to be fair to him) and Nienna (first game benefit of doubt).

EDIT: x'd from my last one

[Mithalwen]

Now I am in I will give it as much attention as I can... but my heart.... is with the Phantom and lynching him will hurt me more than him

[Thinlómien]

Alright, a list

Innocent
Thinlómien - innocent as a vegetable
Feanor of the Peredhil - seems like an ordo with painful requirements
Shastanis Althreduin - the same
Durelin - ordo with nice posting requirements
Nogrod - almost only one making sense this far
Lari - looks innocent despite all banter

Ok
wilwarin538 and Isabellkya - weirdly enough, I keep mixing them up in this game, and don't have much to say for or against
Nerwen - can't read her, could be an ordo with fangurl requirement or a wolf hiding behind a fangurl pretense
Rikae and Mac - both don't bother and do bother me at the same time
Nienna - gets the newbie free pass for today
Mithalwen - no idea
Gwathagor - under the radar
Legate of Amon Lanc - is weirdly silent but otherwise ok

Suspicious
Brinniel - should have the sense not get stuck on bantering
Mirandir - too chatty (I doubt sally would have made someone just allowed to chat, ergo Mira = cobbler or wolf)
Kath - has a sly manner, just, can't phrase it any better
Nilpaurion Felagund - looks like a wolf that is trying to hide

edit: xed

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Actually, I think they did provoke discussion. At least i started suspecting them and still do.

So can you pinpoint someone from there? So you suspect all the four-five? Whom would you choose from there?

They provoked discussion in a sense that lots of people said that was waay overboard and toilsome to read - but did it give something to pick up upon on someone in special?

I don't think it did. So was it of any good for the game? No. Was it something that helped us to go after a baddie? No. Was there something they said that someone could pick from there and start making a case? No.

All the reasonable discussion eg. "playing this game" has come afterwards and could have been done without those four first pages (not including the few posts I already mentioned erarlier).

How much I may suspect some people I might be tempted to vote for someone only talking nonsense toDay. And especially in this kind of a game which is already crazy enough without us making it even more unfathomable by just talking nonsense!

Originally Posted by Shasta

I still don't think that whether or not someone has a posting requirement is indicative of evilness.

Neither do I. If everyone, good and bad alike (and all in between if htere be such persons) have requirement then of course having a requirement on you is not a mark of evil... And I know it also from my personal experience: I have posting requirement and am an ordo. Where did you get that idea from?

Originally Posted by Shasta

As I've already said, I don't have one; neither, apparently, does Rikae. So you're wrong in stating that everyone has one. Everyone should have one? Possibly, but that's an argument you'll have to take up with our dear Modduck.

Now whether you are a wereduck who tries to help his mate or a cobbler seeing a chance of helping a duck by that (untrue) statement - or whether Sally has made a mistake, or I have misinterpreted the basic idea of this game wrong... well these are all possibilities.

Re-reading the rules makes me still stick to my interpretation of them - that everyone, all, had to do something different this time eg. not play only as they themselves would play but to be required to do something else as well. Why else would there be all those countless reminders of how she would wish to meddle with all of us and how everyone would have to step out from their normal approach to the werewolf if some people just were plain ordos?

I just don't believe it.