Admin Thread: Werewolf- This time it's real!

[Aganzir]

If Thuringwethil decides to use her two bonus votes the day after sucking them, how does she do it? Does she PM about it to you, and the village is left wondering what happened?

[the phantom]

This village is going to have a Day 0, and I think I'll be letting that begin in a couple days. No one will have their roles yet. It's just a time to set up the scene and be silly (pretend you're at the World Barrow-Downs meeting and have conversations with people etc).

Due to many people telling me that Easter weekend is busy for them, Night 1 and Day 1 will be 36 hours. We did something similar in my last game when we started over Christmas I believe. Right now I'm planning on starting Night 1 right when Friday changes to Saturday here where I live, which means it would be Saturday, 5 AM GMT. Night 1 will last 36 hours, which means that Day 1 would begin at noon my time, or Sunday 5 PM GMT. Once again, Day 1 will be 36 hours as well in order to get the deadline back to schedule and allow everyone time to post.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I have a question about bonus votes, Phantom. Are we allowed to vote, and then come back later to add bonus votes to our vote? Or do we have to use X number of bonus votes when we vote for the Day?

You can only add/subtract bonus votes when you cast your daily vote. Otherwise there is simply too much potential for hundreds of little add-ons and take-backs and last minute changes, and it would really favor those around at the deadline. I don't want to penalize people just for being in a different timezone.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Thuringwethil decides to use her two bonus votes the day after sucking them, how does she do it? Does she PM about it to you, and the village is left wondering what happened?

Thuringwethil will indeed PM me "I wish to use my stolen votes" and then she will vote just like usual on the thread... ++Player7 (6).... but out of those six bonus votes, two of them were stolen. So, the following day, when I list all the villagers and their bonus votes remaining, the person who is Thuringwethil will not have six fewer bonus votes than she did the day before, but four fewer.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Kuru

Bu...bu...but I'm not sure I'll be able to come up with a new strategy on such short notice.

Heh heh...

You could always try being the comic-relief dwarf.

[Kuruharan]

That would be so far out of type I don't think anybody would believe it. I'd be lynched for sure.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by phantom

Thuringwethil will indeed PM me "I wish to use my stolen votes" and then she will vote just like usual on the thread... ++Player7 (6).... but out of those six bonus votes, two of them were stolen. So, the following day, when I list all the villagers and their bonus votes remaining, the person who is Thuringwethil will not have six fewer bonus votes than she did the day before, but four fewer.

Mmm... I'm not sure that's fair to Thuringwethil. Anyone who's keeping track of the number of votes will immediately notice the discrepancy in the number of votes Thuringwethil has, which would make it obvious who has the role. :/

Maybe the stolen votes could be added on secretly? As in, Thuringwethil PMs you to use her stolen votes, and then votes as normal, using X number of her own votes, but behind the scenes, two extra votes are added to her candidate?

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Mmm... I'm not sure that's fair to Thuringwethil. Anyone who's keeping track of the number of votes will immediately notice the discrepancy in the number of votes Thuringwethil has, which would make it obvious who has the role. :/

I know this will be my first game, but this looks like a new role?

It looks like Thuringwethil is getting a slight advantage by being able to take 2-bonus votes away from a player and it looks more like she will be forced to make a tough decision on whether to let everyone know her role by using the 2 extra bonus or not. If you can't tell who used the 2 extra votes then that would take away the tough decision.

Maybe you can make it so Thuringwethil can use her 2-bonus she took from someone any day after? That way she's not forced to either use them while they're fresh or let them 'disappear', but there is still the risk of whether she wants to use them (letting everyone know her role) or not.

[the phantom]

Thuringwethil can steal votes. That's bad enough. But then to actually use those votes and get away completely free? Nah. I want there to be some sort of drawback to keep it from being so easy.

There are certain situations where it would pay off, and others where it wouldn't, and the evil team will have to factor this into everything they do.

For instance, if they think Thuringwethil has been spotted by Luthien, they can have her kill Luthien that night and elect to use Thuringwethil's vote suck power then, and then unload all of her votes and the Seer's votes the next day to preserve herself for one extra day.

Or perhaps she'll take someone who has used up several of his bonus votes already and suck away two more from him at the very end to clinch dominant voting weight and thus the game.

Anyway, it's all situational. I don't want the power to be a clear advantage in every single circumstance. It's just an extra ability sitting there waiting to be used. An extra factor to be considered. Another level of possible strategy.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

This village is going to have a Day 0, and I think I'll be letting that begin in a couple days. No one will have their roles yet. It's just a time to set up the scene and be silly (pretend you're at the World Barrow-Downs meeting and have conversations with people etc).

Even if the set up in itself is the most promising I would declare this the freakiest idea this far - and a very welcome-one as such.

I mean in the last game there was something like four pages just pure one-liner banter in the beginning of Day1.

Banter is fun and it is an integral part to this game. A game without some banter would be much duller. But there should also be a game. So hopefully people can empty their banter-allowance on this Day0 and will actually start playing on Day1...


Okay. Let me try to get clear with this one.

So if I vote like:

++ the phantom (5)

and then retract it like this:

-- the phantom

then tp will have five votes and I can vote someone else (and I have used five of my bonus votes)?

So to retract all the votes from tp I need to do it - like in this case:

-- the phantom (5)

Which indeed opens up the next question: can I then vote for the phantom with 5 additional votes (adding up to six votes in total) and then retract three of those extras + my basic vote and then use whatever number of votes I can afford to someone else thus leaving tp with two of my votes?

eg. if I do this after my original five (six) votes of this scenario for tp

-- the phantom (3)

it means I have left tp with two votes and can vote again?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, no, Noggie, DAY 1 must remain DAY 1 , otherwise it ain't DAY 1 at all.

(Aight? Kuru? Form?)

[Nienna]

zomg all this voting stuff is making my brain hurt... now i'd like to just try higlighting ot make sure i can do it...

++ The Phantom

seems to function all right... and the impression i had about the votes was that we could only add weight to our own vote and these extra weren't like extra votes right? so if we retract some weight off of our original we can't then use them to vote for another...

[the phantom]

Completely correct, Nogrod. You are indeed allowed to retract only a portion of your votes if you wish and so leave your original target with a number of bonus votes. Let's say you do this-

++Phantom (5)

And then do this-

--Phantom (3)

Phantom still has two votes. And then you can do this-

++Mira (1)

And give Mira two votes (your daily vote plus one of your bonus votes. That means for the day you gave Mira 2 votes and Phantom 2 votes, and the following day you will have 3 fewer bonus votes.

[Nogrod]

Thanks tp. Like I thought... this opens interesting possibilities.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Oh, no, Noggie, DAY 1 must remain DAY 1 , otherwise it ain't DAY 1 at all.

(Aight? Kuru? Form?)

Some day, when I can be bothered, I will come up with a brilliant and evil plan to destroy DAY ONE entirely.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Some day, when I can be bothered, I will come up with a brilliant and evil plan to destroy DAY ONE entirely.

But sweetheart, without a proper Day One, how am I supposed to flirt shamelessly with you without others assuming we are, somehow, Lovers?

[Kuruharan]

But sweetheart, without a proper Day One, how am I supposed to flirt shamelessly with you without others assuming we are, somehow, Lovers?

Further motivation to be bothered to unleash my brilliant and evil plan to destroy DAY ONE.

I didn't know you were going to be playing when I signed up for this.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Oh, no, Noggie, DAY 1 must remain DAY 1 , otherwise it ain't DAY 1 at all.

(Aight? Kuru? Form?)

While I wish to clarify, for the record, that it is not Days 1 that I hate, but the idea that there is any useful analysis to be gleaned therefrom, I must agree with my colleague Felagund that Day 1 is hardly a "Day 1" if it does not precede all other days in sequence. Just as there is no Year 0 between -1 B.C. and 1 A.D., so there is no Day 0, it seems to me.

I therefore petition Milord the phantom to rename this "Day 0," "Day -1."