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Old 04-17-2009, 01:11 PM   #1
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Kuru! Are you just "a phantom" or do you have votes that count?

That would be nice to know.
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:29 PM   #2
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I find this rather weird. If you think someone to be the seer there's no good reason to state it publicly. Maybe the wolves already picked up on it, but maybe not and you just gave it away. The fact that she feels the need to defend her statement suggesting that Agan may be the seer in that same post is even more concerning.

Though it's also possible this was a ploy and Firefoot was trying to make the wolves think Agan was the seer when she really just believed her to be an ordo so that they would Night kill her. This scenario has occurred before. But I've never played with Firefoot before, so I don't know if she is the type of player to come up with such a ploy.
-Brinn in #383
This is peculiar, particularly that 2nd paragraph. The 1st paragraph is a typical reaction to Firefoot pointing out Agan could be the seer on Day 1. But the 2nd paragraph, yesterday is peculiar because Firefoot was killed.

Brinn's 'alternate scenario' is Firefoot was trying to make the wolves think Agan was the seer and the wolves would target her - and that this wouldn't be the first time. I'm not quite sure what situation Brinn is referring to, but is this an early glance of the wolves discussion last night in picking Firefoot? The 2nd scenario is just odd, because how would Firefoot know Agan was not the seer, believe Agan was an ordo, and decide to set her up as the seer for the wolves to go after that night - if Firefoot was not the seer herself?

I am going under the assumption that the wolves primary person they want out of the way is the seer, so the alternate scenario is really strange considering Firefoot was killed last night.

One of my disagreements with Nilp's analysis over Firefoot's post is this:
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Wonders about Nog's DAY 1 vote (something that Izzy questioned about, too, but Nog brushed it off.) Thought that Kuru was just a safe vote for Nog and that the real target was Nienna. Calls his voting sloppy.

Comments on Nog's 313 (a comment on Kuru's 311, where he thought Kuru's explanation of the NIGHT kill seemed to be 'a post trying to convince us he's no baddie'.) She said that Nog wasn't suspicious of Kuru yesterday, and that Nog's analysis of the possibility of Kuru's wolvishness wasn't forthcoming.

Indicates her suspicion of Nogrod, but holds it back by saying that her suspicion comes from his being talkative. Comments on Kent's obsession with his newbie status.

Perhaps the post that killed her, if we go with the assumption that the Evil Three are hunting Lúthien . . .
I have a problem with this, if the wolves believed Firefoot was the seer, and that's why she was killed, I would not just look at who she attacked (mostly Nogrod yesterday) but who she defended might be just as important. If she defended someone pretty strongly, that could also be a tip off to the wolves, making them believe Firefoot was the seer.

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Old 04-17-2009, 01:35 PM   #3
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Btw, if you lynch someone with 10 votes and they turn out to be an innocent...you just took away 10 bonus votes from the village, which gives the wolves the advantage.
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That person whether wolf or innocent will most likely use their bonus to save themselves, which is I think the bigger point, to start levelling out the field.
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:12 PM   #4
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That person whether wolf or innocent will most likely use their bonus to save themselves, which is I think the bigger point, to start levelling out the field.
Heck no! Save your votes for when you're confident that you've got a wolf! Don't disarm!
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:10 PM   #5
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Just a few comments while reading.

Bonus Votes.
This talk about it not being sensible to use them unless certain the person being voted for is guilty.

We would all like to believe that we alone possess all of the control over the allotted votes we were given. False.
We can be forced into using them by others' actions. See, not always under the thumb of our control.

If you aren't going to use your bonus votes, until you are supremely sure of your choice - then what happens when everyone else is using the weight of two votes versus your one? It isn't the same scenario as previous games.

I'm not liking the interactions between Gwath and Sally. At this point in time, I will probably be voting for Sally again toDay.
Usually, she is very confident in most every thing she says - or she appears supremely confident in her words. This game, she quite frequently self doubts and fishes.

Nog, I only gave Sally three votes yesterDay. One regular and two bonus.

*Won't follow the animated corpse of Kuru around like a lemming*
*though will heed advice of suspecting everyone* xD

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Old 04-17-2009, 02:15 PM   #6
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Further on bonus votes.
We should have all come to a collective agreement in the beginning. Ha!
Use one regular and two bonus votes a Day. Would've spread everything out equally for a five Day game. xD
Equal weight.
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Old 04-17-2009, 03:41 PM   #7
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I see what you did there!

I am wondering though what would happen if, for instance....


Erm....actually I won't ask it, since it's a bit of a game mechanics question. Blast.



Anyway, I want to redo my list when I get a chance, but I know I won't have time right now. Here's a couple observations. Take them however you wish, kids.


Brinn makes me giggle, but in a 'I know how you feel, you poor girl' sort of way. I really don't want to see her go toDay because while it's possible she's guilty (which is a possibility for all of you, so that really means nothing, dang it) I'd like to hear more from her so I can get a better read on the girl.

Kent still makes me uneasy, just in general. I don't know what exactly it is, but a lot of the things he's said have made me uneasy and while I don't want to kill him just to find out what he is I'm not going to complain if he ends up dead at the end of the Day, because I keep smelling a Kent....erm, rat.

Nog seems genuine and yet at the same time I know I can't read him, so when I trust Nog completely he's generally got something up his sleeve.

I actually just looked through Izzy's posts (was looking for a quote which in the end I don't think she even said, alas) and think she may be sliding down to my innocent list. We don't exactly see eye to eye, but that doesn't mean she's evil, and after seeing a couple things she's said I'll have to give her some more thought.


Aaaand that's all I've got time for presently.

The rest I don't know right now, or at least don't have time to talk about.
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