Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Gwathagor]

--Greenie

++Greenie (+1)

Just in case. If I'm Pippin, then it won't matter if I use all my bonus votes or not. If I'm not Pippin, then I want to have some bonus votes for tomorrow to combat the last two wolves. If the other two wolves decide to try to lynch Fea instead of Greenie, using all my bonus votes on Greenie won't stop them. So I'm saving some for tomorrow.

[Gwathagor]

Wait, are we using up all our bonus votes? Is that's what's going on?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yes, Gwath. There will still be four of us, and only two (or even one) of them tomorrow. So we outnumber them. Holding on to bonus votes puts those innocents with none in a scary position.

I am inclined to think you innocent at this point, though, so at least using five would be enough (or at least just match Shasta's move, if he makes one.)

Good news is, I don't think Green is Thuringwethil, otherwise she would have used 15 bonus votes--don't think she'll be around right before the deadline.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Seriously, guys, if Pip voted for me, I'm dead anyway. Drop your votes for Greenie!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No, Kent!

Greenie!

A KNOWN WOLF. You don't NOT kill a known wolf!

Vote now before deadline!

[Kent2010]

Plus we wouldn't have the power in this situation - I was just assuming that eventhough Greenie was a known wolf she would have no power to save herself tomorrow and trying to find a way to make these two get rid of their votes already.

[Lariren Shadow]

++FEA(9)

[Isabellkya]

Wouldn't the dream result differentiate between Vampire and Wolf?


X'd with Kent and Fea.

[Isabellkya]

Both Gwath and Izzay can not retract anymore toDay.
you stage a change and I will lynch you Kent.
Too risky.


X'd with Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If I die and Greenie does not, you all deserve to lose and I will dance on your graves.

[Isabellkya]

Everyone has voted save for Lari
Nilp and Izzy have dumper their bonus votes.
Kent has no bonus votes.

... o.O


X'd since my last post. Wow.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We need you Lari. We need you now.

Unless you're evil, in which case feel free to be modfired.

Kent I really don't think Gwath's evil--unless he's the type to put us into needless bother with an extra DAY. I am far more wary of Shasta, unless he really isn't around. (But wait, no, that's of little consolation . . . )

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, snap.

Gwath . . . *shakes head*

Good game, guys.

[Gwathagor]

--Greenie
++Greenie (+2)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You already retracted once, Gwath.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Three quiet Wolfies. This will do something to the metagame . . .

[Kent2010]

Sly devils

[the phantom]

DAY OVER. TALLY SOON. NARRATION TOMORROW.

[the phantom]

Fea dies. She was an Ordo.

Score: 4-3

Next day will begin as soon as I have all Night picks and have finished narration (i.e. next day will probably begin very early).

[Kent2010]

Just in case. If I'm Pippin, then it won't matter if I use all my bonus votes or not. If I'm not Pippin, then I want to have some bonus votes for tomorrow to combat the last two wolves. If the other two wolves decide to try to lynch Fea instead of Greenie, using all my bonus votes on Greenie won't stop them. So I'm saving some for tomorrow.
-Gwath

I was thinking that as long as you and Shasta had the same amount it would not technically matter if one of you was a wolf, because it would balance out (plus Fea's advantage).

But I think the bigger reason to use all bonus votes now is to prevent a secret retraction at the end. Right now Fea only leads by two and there could be a quick retraction to force Fea to use her votes. That would not be good.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you force me to use my bonus votes, you idiots, the wolves deserve to win.

Cut the crap and dump the votes. The last day[s] are always insane enough without trigger-finger idiots and bad guys running around with extra ammo.

++Green

[Kent2010]

I'm almost tempted to retract and vote for Gwath, what do you think Nilp, Fea? We have to do something and we have 5 minutes, if everyone drags their feet this is going to end in a mess.

[Mirandir]

What am I going to do with my life now that I don't have a game to mod?

Great game everyone! Especially our wolves. Way to pull out the win, guys!

[Lariren Shadow]

Good game everyone! Congrats to my fellow wolves as well!

And Gwath...well it probably wasn't your fault. We did change Kent so that was more what clinched it

[Gwathagor]

I refuse to be consoled.

[satansaloser2005]

Great job, everyone! And thanks to Phantom and Mira for putting the game on!


Incidentally, you'll notice that Kent's technically evil now. See? I told you so. Shasta, move over, there's a new psychic in town.



EDIT: x'd with our poor Pippin

[Formendacil]

While I'd love to be able to point the finger at the phantom and his newfangled rules for skewing the balance of power in favour of the Wolves, I think we villagers need to fess us and take our share of the blame--we were pretty much out to lunch all game. I feel a slight modicum of comfort, however, in the fact that I was dead the last day--good grief, you guys! You had a known wolf and you couldn't even lynch her!

Okay, granted you didn't have the votes... *mutters something about the phantom's newfangled votes* But seriously, Kent, what WERE you thinking about not going after Greenie? It's as if proving you an innocent made you lose your sense.

Anyway, I had an awesome time playing WW again after such a long time without, and I had a lot of fun even forgetting how long it's been--especially during Day -1. Kudos to the phantom and Mira, and I must congratulate the Wolves on such a stunning victory.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The only thing I regret is killing Brinn.

[Kuruharan]

I enjoyed getting to be Beren. That was the role I was hoping to get from the beginning. Coming back from the dead was fun.

Now, if I could just shake off the constant suspicion I seem to inevitably and unavoidably draw.

I also agree with Form. This was a horrible outing by us villagers, basically without one redeeming characteristic to its name.

[Brinniel]

Hehe, look you still technically won, Kent...even if it wasn't in the way you expected. But you should definitely take advantage of it as that's what baddies do best. Welcome to the dark side. Over here we eat Girl Scout cookies. *munches on Thin Mints*

Originally Posted by Shasta

The only thing I regret is killing Brinn.

Yes, shame on you...though I don't exactly blame you. I brought that fate upon myself and knew I had it coming.

Though, in hopes that you guys don't think I'm a complete blundering idiot for my final actions of that Day, let me explain...

Towards the end of the Day, I knew there was a chance of me getting lynched but with 10 bonus votes I still believed there could be a good chance of saving myself and getting Noggie lynched. I would be a more effective cobbler left alive and I didn't think a sacrifice was necessary since I thought Nogrod was probably innocent.

Then Formy reveals (or at least that's what I thought he did), and I think well crap on a stick...now everyone will turn on me to save Nogrod and it'd be rather pointless to attempt counter-revealing so late in the Day. But then nobody made comment on his "reveal" and when more people voted Noggie I was rather confused (but of course I went along with it). I really did think I could save myself until Nilp's vote then I figured it was all over for me (I can't remember if his vote was ever highlighted, but nevertheless he highlighted later the Day before so I couldn't expect anything less).

I dumped all 10 votes because a) maybe someone would x-post attempting to save me (unlikely but...) and b) I didn't want to die with any bonus votes left. My Finrod reveal was done by pure instinct...I wanted one more Night to use my gift and would do anything to stay alive (I considered calling myself Luthien except Formy's semi-reveal would probably make it not believable). Of course I chose to make that reveal too late seeing it was deadline when I posted...but I did it anyway because I wanted revenge by making you suckers sit in several minutes of horror thinking you just lynched Finrod. The last thing I expected was to actually be saved by Nilp not highlighting his vote. At first I was stunned and then I giggled. I don't know how many times I've managed to survive a lynching by the skin of my teeth. I'm like a cat. Cats are cool.

I later felt kinda stupid for revealing as Finrod (though I probably would've been lynched otherwise) and figured there were smarter things I could've done. Unless the wolves had a reason to suspect me as the cobbler, I knew I'd be Night-killed. But all that mattered was that I got an ordo lynched, and I thought I spotted the seer which meant I could block his dream (and yay I was right). Also I figured that my death could possibly save the baddies from hitting Finrod's protection (aka Formy) and I wasn't worried it'd be me since Finrod knew I was evil and probably thought me more likely a wolf than cobbler. It would've been so much fun to stay alive another Day to wreak havoc upon the village (and trust me I would've by both outing the real Finrod and keeping the attention focused on me). But meh, it was a sacrifice I chose to make and at least I wasn't completely useless...

So don't feel bad in the slightest bit, baddies. All three of you did such a great job...I don't think any of you garnered much suspicion until Greenie was exposed. I admit I was slightly worried toward the end of yesterDay when Lari hadn't voted yet. But when she did at the final minute, I thought, oh snap and sighed with relief. Even if there were no bonus votes, I think you three still could've won this, so excellent work.

Good job at finding a wolf in your final dream Formy, even if it was a little late. I'm surprised Izzy didn't protect Gwath seeing that he had the most bonus votes among the innocents, but I'm guessing she anticipated he may be too obvious for a kill and thus chose otherwise.

So sad that most innocents decided not to hold their votes until the end when it'd be more likely to lynch a baddie. Though I can't say I didn't warn you. :P

Anyway, good game to everyone. And thanks to phantom and Mira for their wonderful modding.

[Isabellkya]

Thank you for hosting phantom and Mira!
It was a good game all around.

Though I've changed a word or two to make it more specific, I think this quote is quite fitting.

"Being noticed can be a burden. The loud got themselves slaughtered because they got themselves noticed. So we disappear a lot."

Going into the Night, I didn't think we had a chance to win, and thought the mods were torturing us by making us go through it. Then I calculated and worked it out and I think the only way we could've pulled off a win, was if Shasta had made the kill during the Night, and I blocked it. Then the next Day, it would be an even amount of votes. Lari would be forced to use her bonus; and I think it would come down to whomever was crafty at the end of the Day and had the last vote/retract. Then a villager would go during the Night. Leaving two villagers and one baddie the Last Day.

For giggles..

Night one I tried protecting Boro before I realized he wasn't playing and there was only a Dream that Night.
Night two I protected Firefoot.
Night three I protected Nilp.
Night four I protected Form. Which was why I couldn't protect you the night you died, though it would've been moot since the Vampire killed you.
Night five, I abstained.
Night six, I protected Nilp. Thinking they would try to take out Finrod - and it was either myself or Nilp.

I'm so horrid at being the protector, though I seem to live the longest when I am. xD

[Firefoot]

All I can say is... wow... Form said it excellently, I think:

I feel a slight modicum of comfort, however, in the fact that I was dead the last day--good grief, you guys! You had a known wolf and you couldn't even lynch her!

That's something else.

And a lot of bad luck.

[Kent2010]

Does this mean I win?

Thank you phantom for letting me in, I scanned a couple games as you requested before the start. Also, Boromir was pretty excited to find out I am living in Ohio, and he asked me to represent the state until he is able to come back. I was junk at finding baddies, and didn't really know what to analyze, but thought if I just annoyed people enough that could tell me something. Hopefully I did not disappoint.

Thank you Gwath, sorry for repaying your kindness with wanting to try and lynch you at the end there.

Kent, what WERE you thinking about not going after Greenie? It's as if proving you an innocent made you lose your sense.
-Formenadacil

My thought was wanting to have the only person with bonus be Fea, but I figured the baddies were not going to go along with that plan. So, the last day I was trying everything I could think to get the wolves to use their votes. I did the best I could to make it look like their only option was to use their bonus or they would blow the game...that was an epic failure.

Basically, with Greenie, I was trying to think of winning long term, not just one day. The plan was to try and have Fea be the only person with bonus, but I figured the wolves weren't going to play nicely. Greenie had spent her 10 bonus on Fea, which meant I knew the wolves would wait around for the innocents to use up their bonus to save her, and that way they could horde them for the next day. Whether we knew who they were or not, wasn't going to matter if they had the bonus advantage after we lynched Greenie.

So, I was attempting to get everyone to dump their bonus. And if we (the remaining innocents) combined all of our bonus against someone trying to hold onto them, we would force them to use it and I was confident we'd get a baddie. That's why I went after Izzy, until she obliged. Once she used her bonus, I believed she was innocent, which meant Lari was a baddie, but I had no idea she was even present. It was either Gwath or Shasta, as the other and once Gwath gave 1 bonus, then said something like "oh we're supposed to use all of them?" I thought he was a wolf trying to hold his power for the next day.

That too was an epic fail, because Lari and Shasta were hording their bonus, but I had no idea they were even around, and the people doing the actual posting (Izzy and Gwath) were the ones who looked like they were trying to keep their bonus to have a baddie advantage the next day.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

Does this mean I win?

Yes, you evil wolf you! You jumped off that sinking ship at the very last moment.

Originally Posted by Kent2010

but thought if I just annoyed people enough that could tell me something. Hopefully I did not disappoint.

Oh yes! I think you succeeded there.

Originally Posted by Kent2010

My thought was wanting to have the only person with bonus be Fea, but I figured the baddies were not going to go along with that plan. So, the last day I was trying everything I could think to get the wolves to use their votes. I did the best I could to make it look like their only option was to use their bonus or they would blow the game...that was an epic failure.

Basically, with Greenie, I was trying to think of winning long term, not just one day. The plan was to try and have Fea be the only person with bonus, but I figured the wolves weren't going to play nicely. Greenie had spent her 10 bonus on Fea, which meant I knew the wolves would wait around for the innocents to use up their bonus to save her, and that way they could horde them for the next day. Whether we knew who they were or not, wasn't going to matter if they had the bonus advantage after we lynched Greenie.

So, I was attempting to get everyone to dump their bonus. And if we (the remaining innocents) combined all of our bonus against someone trying to hold onto them, we would force them to use it and I was confident we'd get a baddie. That's why I went after Izzy, until she obliged. Once she used her bonus, I believed she was innocent, which meant Lari was a baddie, but I had no idea she was even present. It was either Gwath or Shasta, as the other and once Gwath gave 1 bonus, then said something like "oh we're supposed to use all of them?" I thought he was a wolf trying to hold his power for the next day.

That too was an epic fail, because Lari and Shasta were hording their bonus, but I had no idea they were even around, and the people doing the actual posting (Izzy and Gwath) were the ones who looked like they were trying to keep their bonus to have a baddie advantage the next day.

Okay, that makes some sense. Some. Not much, but it no longer looks like you went crazy. Still, the idea of thinking longterm on a Day when you were an inch away from sudden death seemed really strange. Of course, by that time I knew everyone's roles--the phantom was kind enough not to leave me in utter darkness, though knowing the odds actually made watching the endgame worse.

Seer's Journal coming up...

[Gwathagor]

Phantom, who was Pippin?

[Kent2010]

In the villages defense, the only real disadvantage I think there was is the baddies ability to PM the entire time, we had to broadcast all of our plans out in the open, so even if we came up with the perfect plan that last day - all the baddies had to do was sit back and PM their strategies to beat it. That is what appeared to happen, especially on the last day.

Give some credit to the baddies. I mean we can get yelled at for not analyzing all we want, (as was probably clear I had no idea what I was doing, and just tried using what I thought would work) but if the baddies were going to clam up as much as possible(it's funny how all three wolves missed the vote once ), the rest of us can't be held accountable for not trying and I don't think you can call us lackadaisical. It might be easy to criticize what was decided once you are out, but if any of you were still in would you have voted for Shasta or Lari, unless Formendacil found out they were wolves?

With that though, I made probably the biggest blunder and managed to lynch our only offensive threat besides the lynching. Also I managed to openly and assuredly state Greenie's innocence - but what the hell do you expect me to know? Come on.