WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. I was about to say, Nerwen....


I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that? They might 'clear' one of their own but would lose that person's voting power, as well as the chance to get another innocent down. Makes no sense.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Heh. I was about to say, Nerwen....

Yeah, I'm an idiot.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that?

They wouldn't.

[Macalaure]

I think I really made a mistake in this game so far. I have the feeling as if I got stuck in a kind of Day2 mode all along (by which I mean the point in the game where you have some information, but usually not enough yet to make a really confident vote, but you don't worry about it because you know it will get better soon). Now that I realised that, I need to adapt my way of thinking. We'll see how that will work out. We can't make really water-tight cases against anybody, we can only do as well as we can and then hope. I did notice, though, that, "some" seem to have gone to the other extreme and took their as-good-as-they-get cases and acted on them as if they were undeniable fact.

I see a lot of suspicion coming my way today, but I'd like to try and ignore it as far as possible, and finally make up my mind about the mutineers instead of defending myself all the time.

My confused vote yesterday deserves some explanation, though, so I will do that now and then try to not talk about myself anymore today.

Due to defending myself quite a lot yesterday and because of what I explained above, I was drawing a thorough blank come voting time. I quite disliked the options. Kath seemed to make most sense (least nonsense?), but I had a very bad feeling. I didn't seriously consider Izzy until Nogrod brought it up and Nerwen switched her vote out of the blue. Nerwen is likely innocent and Nogrod brought in the innocent Rikae, so I changed my vote. It was all last minute and I had little time to think, but my logic was that this way it would be less bad if the lynchee would be innocent. Since I didn't suspect either of mutiny very much, this made sense to me.


With Inziladun gone I really do have to make up my mind anew. I can't read sense into that pick right now (1am). I also see that Gwath is still alive - does that mean we can expect him back today?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that? They might 'clear' one of their own but would lose that person's voting power, as well as the chance to get another innocent down. Makes no sense.

I was just putting it out there. Yes, of course it's highly unlikely, but in a game like this where we don't know anything, anything could happen.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by me

I was just putting it out there. Yes, of course it's highly unlikely, but in a game like this where we don't know anything, anything could happen.

And also, it could be that they killed a cobbler, who, even though dead, could be trying to help the wolf side.

Also, I at the time I didn't like the assumption on this post that Rikae was a proven avenger, though now I see what you mean... Nogrod would have no reason to pretend that he wasn't- though we still have no idea what he is.

[Thinlómien]

I'm beginning to agree with those who say Eönwë is a cobbler. That does not merit lynching him, though.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm really not liking the way this game is going. I'm pretty sure a win (or loss) could be right around the corner.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm really not liking the way this game is going. I'm pretty sure a win (or loss) could be right around the corner.

Meaning your packmate is on the chopping block?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm not sorry for the well-guided votes.

Izzy seems particularly well-guided this game, and Nerwen's reasoning there is breathtaking. Seems like the cobblers are indeed following your guidance at last.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Izzy seems particularly well-guided this game, and Nerwen's reasoning there is breathtaking. Seems like the cobblers are indeed following your guidance at last.

At last? At least, I'd say. I don't know what Nerwen is, and I admit her vote is not well reasoned. I like it nevertheless. But why get so edgy so early? She said she'd be back and change if needed. I will be long gone once she reappears while you'll be here to convince her you're on the same side (whatever side you try to confirm her of ).

edit: xed with Boro

[Thinlómien]

Oh Mac and Sally, you're sweet. Mac you're so hard trying to make a case out of thin air. You think you can retain your credibility after concluding: "I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer." based on that? You could've said "this looks rather fishy, I think Eönwë is a mutineer" and you might've had a chance. And Sally, it's nice you talk to your mates from the grave. Too bad we others can read too.


edit: xed with Inzy and Mac

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh Mac and Sally, you're sweet. Mac you're so hard trying to make a case out of thin air. You think you can retain your credibility after concluding: "I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer." based on that? You could've said "this looks rather fishy, I think Eönwë is a mutineer" and you might've had a chance. And Sally, it's nice you talk to your mates from the grave. Too bad we others can read too.


edit: xed with Inzy and Mac

Actually, I was just voicing my suspicions that the game could soon be over, either way. And I warned you before to be careful who you lynched, but no one listened, so it's your own faults.

[Eönwë]

I think that that Lommy's relentless going-after-Mac makes her look innocent, as I don't think a wolf would go that far, as it "puts her out" more. If it was a wolf-on-wolf, then now that Mac has started to gain suspicion, then I would have expected her to slow down (though very subtly so as not to arouse suspicion), whereas she's still going for it- in fact, she is daring anyone to challenge her argument, which she claims is the best so far. Wolf-on innocent could be a possibility, but since Mac does look a little suspicious I don't think this is likely.
The other option, of course is that it is innocent-on-innocent, which is quite possible in such a game where no-one knows anything.

[Macalaure]

Alright, I won't rewrite it, but here are the things I noticed:

-He intentionally abstained from voting on Day2, so he might not be unlikely to do the same as a mutineer.

-On Day3 he has two actual suspects in his list, Nogrod and Gwath. Gwath is in there because he's under his radar. Can a top 2 suspect be under one's radar? The reason seems invented. (He thinks he's giving Gwath the first vote, so mutineer-on-mutineer is possible.)

-This is from Day4:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

I wouldn't necessarily assume that the real seer would have revealed by now if Greenie isn't. It could be that the real seer hasn't found any wolves yet. However, it does make Nerwen seem innocent because I assume that the seer would have dreamt her, and if she had been a mutineer then they may have decided to reveal because of this, which would incriminate both Nerwen and Greenie.

Message to cobbler?

-Later that day, he says he has only half an hour left and nobody to vote for. He uses his little time to write a huge vote list, but still doesn't know who to vote and joins the Sally-waggon (because she's under his radar).

-On Day5 there's the awkward theory that the mutineers might have sacrificed one of their own at night. That's all he talks about that day until he votes Inziladun because he's under his radar.


From Day1 til now, he has not made a reasonable point about anyone. He doesn't know who to vote for, but doesn't seem to be interested in changing it. His voting reason is consistently "under the radar". I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer.