WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Thinlómien]

Okay.

Greenie was the seer. Rikae was the hunter.

I'm innocent. Inziladun was innocent. McCaber and Kath were innocent. Boro and Gwath are innocent.

Sally was a wolf. Mac and Shasta are wolves.

This is what I feel rather safe assuming. That leaves me the group:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod
with 1 wolf, 2 cobblers and 6 innocents in it.

Let's see. Eomer and Nerwen are not wolves, so the list of possible wolves goes down to:
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I think Eönwë is not a wolf (given how Mac treats him). If I have to bet, I will actually remove Izzy and Mith too, because they are more like ordos/cobblers than wolves.

So by my logic, the last wolf was someone who's already dead. Huzzah!

Then off to cobblers. The list of possible cobblers is:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I will take Mira and Wilwa off since they never gave me cobblerish vibes. Nerwen's Mac-vote exonerates her quite nicely yet not conclusively. Nah, if I have to guess the cobblers are/were among this three: Nogrod, Izzy and Eomer.

DISCLAIMER: () this post is based on assumptions all of you don't want to make. It's not supposed to be a conclusive all in all answer to this mystery, it is just my take on it.

It seems like I've reached the conclusion that we only have two mutineers left. Unfortunately, I believe more in my chances of making a mistake than our chances to have done so well this far so I'm not getting hopeful yet.

And Shasta, if we lynch Mac and this game ends then, I will consider you innocent. ( = all people who seem more wolvish than Shasta or at least as wolvish as him are dead already.)

[Thinlómien]

I'm actually wondering now if Mac-Eönwë could be wolf-on-wolf after all... I could see Mac doing that. (And I could see him accusing Eönwë just wanting to get him lynched instead of himself or trying to make it seem like wolf-on-wolf... argh.)

[Thinlómien]

Where is everyone? I should go to sleep soon...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Where is everyone? I should go to sleep soon...

I was about to say the same thing


edit: x-ed avec Mith

[Thinlómien]

A point or two that Eönwë has raised?

I like the fact that he brought Inzy to spotlight and said he had been ignored by everyone yesterDay, even though his vote was a wasted one.

Originally Posted by Eönwë voting Sally

Because she is in deep hibernation under Rudolph, and in voting she only seems to want to vote because she is is forced to, as if she doesn't really want to be answerable for her actions.

He pretty much phrased here what I found disturbing about her - or half of it - in a way I could never have consciously phrased it.Or maybe they're just messing with our minds, planting a seed of doubt in Nerwen's innocence, trying to make us lynch the only innocent we have proven to us, while they sit back and enjoy.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Or maybe they're just messing with our minds, planting a seed of doubt in Nerwen's innocence, trying to make us lynch the only innocent we have proven to us, while they sit back and enjoy.

You may call it an obvious point but no one had brought it up before.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I wouldn't necessarily assume that the real seer would have revealed by now if Greenie isn't. It could be that the real seer hasn't found any wolves yet. However, it does make Nerwen seem innocent because I assume that the seer would have dreamt her, and if she had been a mutineer then they may have decided to reveal because of this, which would incriminate both Nerwen and Greenie.

A very good point, if I may say (although I disagree).

An original piece of thought:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

It could be that Rikae and Shasta are wolves. Being obvious usually makes players seem less suspicious, so maybe this little "kerfuffle" was just to make them seem "too obvious" to be wolves together. It also serves to distance themselves for each other. It would be a risky plan, but both Rikae and Shasta are experienced players, and from the times I've played with them I've seen them get into similar situations (especially with [b]Shasta[/B- which is sad, as he often gets killed early), so it wouldn't be too out of the ordinary.

Seems like you should have researched a bit before jumping on Eönwë.

edit (forgot to add this earlier) xed with quite a few

[Thinlómien]

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.

[Isabellkya]

You are both Muties.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.

Why doesn't this surprise me? Maybe, just maybe, I didn't reveal earlier because a revealed ranger is a dead ranger?

[Mithalwen]

Not a cobbler ..just clueless ... maybe I need fish slapping too .... I am not being deliberately unhelpful really....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Not a cobbler ..just clueless ... maybe I need fish slapping too .... I am not being deliberately unhelpful really....

*slaps you with a fish*

As you wish.



Also, I'm so glad that Lommie's figured out my role! Good for her. Heh, right.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I agree Eönwë hasn't helped us too much - except with his handy tables and a point or two - but it doesn't surely mean he's a mutineer. I can imagine him being just intimidated by the setting and not pushing his way to make points against other people, like you and me have done, but that doesn't give any clue to his role.

If this isn't a mutineer defending a mutineer then I don't know what is. Handy tables usually fall into the category of "looking helpful without being helpful" because they don't give you genuine thought - you know that very well. On the next one I call you: Which were the one or two points you found helpful. List. Also, I did not say "He isn't helpful, he's evil", but "He posted a lot of evil things, and he isn't even helpful, he's evil". Nobody has to push points against others, but stating opinions isn't asked too much.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Nay, Mac, I've made that mistake once and I wouldn't do it again. I've lost one game because of being so certain and desperate on the last Day, so if I was a wolf now, I'd be really much more careful and subtle and not attack you like a rabid dog.

In a regular game I would maybe even believe that, but in this setup with barely any knowledge? Nope. Look how many think you're innocent just because you're so bold. It's a risky move, and you are pulling it well - but you have not won yet

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

If this isn't a mutineer defending a mutineer then I don't know what is. Handy tables usually fall into the category of "looking helpful without being helpful" because they don't give you genuine thought - you know that very well. On the next one I call you: Which were the one or two points you found helpful. List. Also, I did not say "He isn't helpful, he's evil", but "He posted a lot of evil things, and he isn't even helpful, he's evil". Nobody has to push points against others, but stating opinions isn't asked too much.

I think tables are helpful. Period. But I agree they also fall into the category of things people do just to look helpful, but it doesn't reduce their usefulness. And I didn't mean to defend him by that, I just wanted to say he's done something helpful (I did not say if he was doing it just to look helpful or because of a genuine willingness to help). I will look through Eönwë's posts for the few useful points if you want me to, but not if there's something more important to be discussed. You're again trying to thwart me to play silly games.

Originally Posted by Mac

In a regular game I would maybe even believe that, but in this setup with barely any knowledge? Nope. Look how many think you're innocent just because you're so bold. It's a risky move, and you are pulling it well - but you have not won yet

I never wanted anyone to think me innocent. I only wanted them to think you guilty. It's nice not to be suspected as an innocent, but quite frankly, I don't care if I'm lynched toMorrow if we lynch you toDay. I believe we can afford wasting a lynch on me once we've got rid of one mutineer. (But of course I prefer to live.) But if you were me you'd be just as certain of your guilt as I'm now. It's really not like I decided to get obsessed about lynching you, I just became more and more confident you're evil and wholeheartedly launched a campaign against you because I have nothing to lose. I'm not like you, I don't have to think about my own survival all the time, because my side can afford losing people far more than yours.


edit: xed with the three