WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I was going to do that, but if Nog is going to...

I wonder how I got back on the boat after being eaten by sharks...?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I was going to do that, but if Nog is going to...

Please go on. We need more opinions on this...

I made this list and can share it if someone thinks it's helpful.

The time when Gwath was away is separated by empty lines (even if it's not absolutely certain where he left and where came back... if someone has time to check it - if he said something somewhere + search where is his last and first post after the break that might help - I just don't have the energy right now)

Lynched ones eg. possible mutineers are bolded.

D1 McCaber
N2 Greenie
D2 Mira
N3 Eomer
D3 Annu

N4 ----- (Wilwa modfired)
D4 Sally
N5 Rikae -> Nogrod
D5 Kath
N6 Inziladûn
D6 Lommy

N7 Boro
D7 Mac
N8 Mith
D8 Eönwë
N9 Shasta

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Hardly. It was actually only the fourth Day (Night) so only 5-6 players were eliminated at that stage. We were twenty in the beginning so at worst it would have been 14 against 4. No instant loss to us in sight there.

Actually it would've been Night 6, as Day 5 was when Gwath missed his second vote.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I wonder how I got back on the boat after being eaten by sharks...?

You were too rubbery, so the sharks spit you back up.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, but if Lommy is a mutineer and not the Ranger, as she claimed, then where's the real Ranger? Mac specifically said it wasn't him, which makes me think that Mac is the mutineer of those two, and Lommy was just severely misguided about Eonwe and myself.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Okay, but if Lommy is a mutineer and not the Ranger, as she claimed, then where's the real Ranger?

Good point indeed... *needs to think*

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The other chance being - as it looks like Brinn is real with her expression "instant victory"

Well, maybe instant, give or take a phase or so...or maybe not. Don't try to read too literally into my words, as they do have a vague underlining to them. I'm not going to just give everything away because what's the fun in that?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'd just like to point out, Izzy, that Mutineer-on-Mutineer votes are much more playable in this setup, as the dead aren't silenced.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Though, I still think the key is why Nerwen wasn't killed, and why you...would Izzy have gotten rid of someone who would likely vote against her, to keep you and Gwath, but also make her look more guilty by killing Nerwen? Or is Gwath hoping to use Nerwen's strong suspicion against Izzy, to vote for her, and put this game away?

I've been going over and over it in my head, and I just don't know. At first I was astonished that Shasta got it, but now I can see reasons why either of them might have killed him rather than me: a Gwathwolf could be using my suspicion of Izzy; an Isawolfkya could have been afraid that killing me would point straight to her.

However– a Gwathwolf shouldn't have had too much trouble getting someone other than himself lynched anyway.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now this is an interesting reaction to someone making plain pure sense and weighing the different possible scenarios... An innocent - even if one that would end up suspected by that kind of analysis - wouldn't react that way, I'd suppose. "Nice try"?

An innocent who wasn't Izzy. Attacking anyone who looks at her sideways is actually one of her trademarks.

Really, though, if it were anyone else but Izzy in the dock I wouldn't be hesitating... but this is a player with a history of acting in a horribly suspicious way as an innocent.

I think– note that I'm only meaning this in the context of WW! – she has a genuine problem with understanding how she appears to others.

CF: her comments toDay:

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If you think I'm the "best choice" then show/prove it.
And no, I've haven't done anything in my power to look suspicious.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I think "logically" it would be Gwath the mutineer and Nerwen the probable Cobbler; if you believe Greenie's claim.

If you were paranoid, and trying to delve into conspiracy-land Nerwen would be the Mutineer - and both Gwath and I as the innocents.

EDIT:X'd since Brinniel at 1276

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Actually it would've been Night 6, as Day 5 was when Gwath missed his second vote.

Good to know. It would have been 5-4 in the worst case... and yeah, possibly really dangerous, instant losing comes to mind indeed. But that worst case scenario (5-4 in the beginning of Day6) would also mean that we have gotten now three mutineers in a row eg. Lommy, Mac and Eönwë... (heh, both Lommy and Mac as mutineers... well not too hard to imagine though ) That would definitively point to Izzie then.

The other chance being - as it looks like Brinn is real with her expression "instant victory" - would be that three out of the four first eg. McCaber, Mira, Annu & Sally were mutineers and Gwath actually is the last one... (leaving both Mac and Lommy innocent... )