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I think one needs to take a longer perspective here.
Defending a place with a Ring means committing one to the place for real I'd suppose (like in the cases of Elrond and Galadriel) as it is not any "instant magic" you can just put into use whenever you wish (like "puff, you're invisible!"). It means also rooting into that place, keeping it there and safeguarding it... and even if Gandalf loved the hobbits why would he have used such an extraordinary gift of the ring to protect the hobbits when there was nothing of interest for anyone there - none even for Gandalf himself until the things stated rolling and he realised the Ring was there - and then it was of course too late to protect Shire as the Nazgūl were already in there as well knowing the same thing... So any speculation of Narya protecting the Shire should not speak of Bilbo or the master Ring but the decades before it was found... and there I think it would be possible... even if a bit unbelievable asthe Shire's safety can be explained by the remotedness of it and with the guardianship of the rangers more than well...
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An interesting idea. Of course, Sauron had no need or
interest to learn about or find hobbits before Gollum was tortured, and Saruman had access to the Shire via spies and purchasing (tobacco) agents early on. The three rings might indeed be pictured as a sort of "cloaking agent". Perhaps periodic visits by Gandalf would be enough to psychologically discourage persons from visiting it, while allowing for travelers such as dwarves to pass by. Recall Gloin's and Thorin's contempt for hobbits in UT: Quote:
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Other than those who actively moved through the Shire, it doesn't seem that much anybody in Middle-earth had any significant awareness of their existence. The people of Rohan consider them a legend, the Ents don't even know they exist. I suspect that if some Elves didn't pass through the Shire en route to the Havens, and if the Dwarves did not travel through it, they'd have about as much awareness of them as the Ents or Rohirrim. Hobbits came to Sauron's attention only because of Gollum, and Gollum wasn't going to be much help locating the Shire, since he had never been there, and in his youth before the Ring, they lived in a different area. Moreover, there is in my mind a real question as to how much Sauron had truly "pulled himself together" by the late Third Age. Tolkien tells us he did have a body (not a beautiful one), and his mind was working well enough to focus on matters of war, but without the Ring, was he as strong or as sharp as he had been before?
Well, that's off the original topic. As to a link between the Shire's protection and Narya, I would agree with those who have said that Gandalf would need to reside there for Narya to be effective -- if it could have been effective at all. The power of the Three was in knowledge, understanding, and preservation, and unlike Lothlorien -- which Galadriel was attempting to preserve in a state akin to her memories of Valinor from her youth -- the Shire didn't require such an active intervention to keep it from the natural cycle of fading and dying in ME. The kind of preservation the Shire enjoyed was of a more mundane sort, which the Rangers provided. There did not appear to be anything extraordinary or "magical" in force. I believe that in the appendices, Tolkien says that before the end of the Third Age, it was suspected that two of the Three were in Rivendell and Lothlorien, and that many felt the third was probably with Cirdan at the Havens. I don't recall if he said it (the book is upstairs, and my knees don't care to make the climb at the moment ![]() Now, that went on longer than expected... ![]()
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I don't think Gandalf's ring necessarily provided protection for the Shire. THe Shire was relatively small and the population was small, Eriador alone was an immense area (the distance from the Shire to Morder being equivalent to that between England and Bulgaria) and by the time of the War of the Ring there were few servants Sauron could call upon in these lands.
The most protection seems to have been provided by the Rangers, Dunedain of the North, who Gandalf asked to keep watch on the Shire and whose efforts appear to be the main reason why Sauron's servants could not find it. Sauron also had incomplete information as Unfinished Tales, the Search for the Ring shows, he thought the Shire might be in the Vales of Anduin and possibly withing Galadriel's realm.
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I was just re-reading The Fellowship of the Ring and in the Chapter Many Meetings, when Gandalf is replying to Frodo's questions of Rivendell's protection and Glorfindel's power and Gandalf says:
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I should have finished the quote, it continues:
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Tom Bombadil, perhaps?
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