TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nienna]

Current vote count:

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm

Rikae 2, Mira and Morm 1

[Nessa Telrunya]

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?



edit:crossed with Rikae

[Nienna]

Hakon voters:
-Morm
-Alona
-Sally
-Autume (later retracted and sealed Pitchwife’s demise)

Pitchwife voters
-Shasta
-Rikae
-Nienna
-Hakon
-Autume

I'm analyzing them currently but Fea and I are going out to finish buying cat things but I'll be back in a few hours to finish analyzing. So far I've made it through Morm and his early vote and then lock in for Hakon is unsettling to me.

[Formendacil]

Well... less than a full page of total accumulated postage is delightfully better than our Day 1 overnight accumulation. Especially since being among family means that I stayed up too late last night and woke up with a head full of mucus. Again.

Anyway, it looks like my family isn't going to be terribly distracting for at least a little while yet, so let's try and get a few posts in before lunch hits.

The first thought that comes to mind regards the suspicion generally surrounding Rikae from some quarters. My first thought--after a single read-through of the new posts, so I'm not necessarily picking up on everyone else's thoughts--is that insofar as she started the "lynch-Pitchwife" movement, that's probably not an indication of lupinity or ursinity, since it looks to me like Pitchwife was playing as unsuspicious a Seer as he could--which is the wise way to go on Day 1--even if you have caught a baddie (and there's no indication he did), the odds are high that you'll live to Day 2 with a second dream, unless you've given yourself away.

So, on face value as far as that goes, I really don't see Rikae as suspicious. Quite unfortunate, yes, but that tends to be a symptom of ordos more than wolves.

Although... Rikae has been defending herself rather vigorously--which is fair, since she's come under a fair amount of suspicion, I guess--but it's sending mixed signals to me in a sense. On the one hand, there's sort of an air of "Fine, whatever: I'm an ordo and you're going to kill me and I'm going to give you all the reasons you shouldn't"--a sense of not caring, in other words... but with a sort of consistent earnestness that, obviously, says she does care.

Of course, it does occur to me that human beings are wild and conflicted beings, capable of holding contradictory emotions and positions on identically the same issues... but it is something of an incongruity, and I don't know what to make of it...

Now... to go find other posts that sparked some thought and try and recapture that glow.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

"We"? What do you mean– oh, wait, it was you!

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?

I'll tell you what I think: it's highly unlikely that there wasn't at least one wolf among the Pitchwife/Hakon voters. However, I currently don't have a clue who it is/they are.

I'm currently thinking of voting for Mira, mainly because of that post where she points out tp's supposed giftedness. However, as morm says, that's more a cobbler's stunt than a wolf's (or bear's for that matter).

EDIT:X'd with Nienna and Rikae.

[Macalaure]

Thoughts.

1. I know Mira's slip was quite obvious, but I tried to point it out trying not to draw attention to it, and now people keep on quoting it! (Including the mod! ) Personally, I believe she indeed simply made a mistake, though cobblery is possible.
Shasta jumped on it with gusto, a possible attempt of scapegoating, but not careful enough for it. Tending innocent.
Nerwen waits til Shasta steps ahead. Looks innocent, but I know better than to think she couldn't have faked it.
phantom joins in, but refrains from further comments, making him look more innocent.
Inzil: first says nothing, then goes after me. I ask you, why, as a baddie, would I have pointed it out at all (without accusing Mira at the same time!)? To alarm the ranger? You keep on throwing out vague suspicions without backing them up.
morm comments on it and what he says looks fair enough.

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

3. I need a list to clear my mind:

For the moment, I trust (in the most loose definition of the word):
Form, Mira, Nienna, Rikae, Sally, Shasta, phantom

I'm doubtful about:
Alona, Autume, Brinn, morm, Nerwen

I'm clueless about:
Durelin, Lommy, Nessa

I suspect:
Inzil

Far more innocents than suspects, but having some sense of who you think you can trust is as valuable as having a sense of who to lynch, in my mind.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

Cross-posted with this last time...

The fact that the early votes are piling up against Rikae and Mira specifically may be what you're wary of--in which case, that's fair, and I'll not comment on that--but it seems fair to mention that yesterDay set a strong precedent of "I'm not sure I'll be around, so I'll leave a vote anyway" or "I'm ticked at this minor issue, so I'm going to leave a protest vote to express that, but I'll be back later and retract" etc.

Which is not to say, necessarily, that these votes follow that pattern, but it does seem like a fair observational note that that seems to be the way the game is going in terms of exercising the Once-Retractable vote.

[Boromir88]

Moderators Note:

Lari is being imployed as the official vote tallier. I ♥ you 10 times 10 times and more.

Now I must enjoy this footlong chicken, bacon, ranch sub (on italian herbs and cheese) that I purchased from Subway. So continue...and sorry if that makes anyone hungry.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira

Originally Posted by Formendacil

The fact that the early votes are piling up against Rikae and Mira

Ahem. Here is the current vote count, courtesy of Nienna:

Originally Posted by Nienna

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm

Rikae 2, Mira and Morm 1

Where's the pile-up?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ahem. Here is the current vote count, courtesy of Nienna:



Where's the pile-up?

Well, I'm quoting Mac...

But, defensibly, one could argue that out of a total of 4 votes cast, 1 is a full 25% of the vote.

Also, 4 votes this early in the day is not insignificant--though also not unprecedented.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Well, I'm quoting Mac...

But, defensibly, one could argue that out of a total of 4 votes cast, 1 is a full 25% of the vote.

Also, 4 votes this early in the day is not insignificant--though also not unprecedented.

I'm just saying, Mac's over-reacting... and I'm wondering why. Maybe he was already counting my prospective vote on Mira. Which I believe I'll make now:

++Mirandir

Not at all sure about this, though; I may well change it later.

There, Mac. Now they each have two votes.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

So far I've made it through Morm and his early vote and then lock in for Hakon is unsettling to me.

I thought that odd as well. The early vote would make sense if he knew he wouldn't be around later, but what was the point of locking it in? I think Sally did the same thing. Why eliminate your chance for retraction, not knowing what may happen closer to DL?

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Inzil: first says nothing, then goes after me. I ask you, why, as a baddie, would I have pointed it out at all (without accusing Mira at the same time!)? To alarm the ranger? You keep on throwing out vague suspicions without backing them up.

I wasn't attacking you, per se. An innocent would certainly have an interest in pointing it out, but so would a wolf to a packmate who'd just made a dangerous error. The way you worded it seemed to me a bit more along the lines of the latter scenario, that's all.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Where's the pile-up?

Indeed. Early in the Day, and many possibilities still.

[Macalaure]

It looks like Rikae and Mira are being met with a lot of suspicion, which is reflected in the voting. Yes, one or two votes are not necessarily significant, but shall I wait until it's three or four votes until I tell you I don't like the choice? Pitch was lynched with five votes. I'm not over-reacting at all, just trying to nip two upcoming foolish bandwaggons in the bud.

Form's critical yet cautious approach looks innocent to me, but I think Nerwen's flippant way is a bit eyebrow-raising (though, admitted, Nerwen is almost always flippant), and Inzil's wolvish "there are still many possibilities" has in all likelihood secured my vote for him today.


edit: curse of the 2nd language... "flippant" is not really the right word on second thought, I'm meaning something like "relaxed", "casual", "not serious"...