T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Roa_Aoife]

Back!

Loslote, just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean they should then be captain. Why did you pick those two for captain and NG?

I'm glad to see people are being more vocal with their ideas and suspicions. I t makes me happy.

If we have a captain tomorrow (and I'm not saying we will) I do agree that they should be changed regularly.

I'm going to see what I've missed.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

If we have a captain tomorrow (and I'm not saying we will) I do agree that they should be changed regularly.

I would agree. Although of course, if we stumbled upon some really good foolproof Captain, we could keep him (but that's pure theory, I don't know how it would happen - but maybe if it was to be really late in the game...). I at least think, in contrary to Valier, that we should always have Captain. (Well, let's see how it works, but...) I mean, it's importantly a tool to protect several people from the WWs, so that's a great asset.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Valier

You know you don't need to just follow the crowd (which to me it seems your doing)

Originally Posted by Loslote

From what I've seen of Nienna, it looks like she's making her decisions and then looking for support, rather than looking for support and then making decisions.

I don't see where this came from. But I don't like how Valier made the statement and Loslote went with it. It may just be newbie jitters, but he(she?) seems intelligent to me, so it gives me pause.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also: Lommy! YAY!

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Roa

I don't see where this came from. But I don't like how Valier made the statement and Loslote went with it. It may just be newbie jitters, but he(she?) seems intelligent to me, so it gives me pause.

Are you refering to why I thought this of Nienna? If so I just thought that her post #181 was really weird to me and put up my wolfradar a bit.

But I do agree with you Roa as soon as I read Loslote's post about Nienna it made me pause as well.
Perhaps another wolf jumping on my suspision of Nienna to make themselves look good....hmmm not sure, little beep on the wolfradar for Loslote in my books.

[Boromir88]

On one hand people are saying it was a minor issue between Fea and me, but on the other hand, it was blown out to be something major?

Well, I think Rune directly declaring he wants to be a captain, was minor and it's being blown up into something more than what it should be. I hate such vague, slap on words like "odd," "wierd" and "strange" that someone can just label onto anyone.

It's far too easy, and carries around negative baggage because it's so vague.

"Oh Rune's not a wolf, but he's certainly acting odd."

"That's strange Rune, not wolvish, but you'r acting wierd."

What is that even supposed to mean? Do you think the person is a wolf, or are you just not agreeing with the way the person is acting?

Funny, how just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean the person would be a good Captain. It works both ways, just because you don't think someone should be a Captain, doesn't mean that person is a wolf.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

On one hand people are saying it was a minor issue between Fea and me, but on the other hand, it was blown out to be something major?

Well, I think Rune directly declaring he wants to be a captain, was minor and it's being blown up into something more than what it should be. I hate such vague, slap on words like "odd," "wierd" and "strange" that someone can just label onto anyone.

It's far too easy, and carries around negative baggage because it's so vague.

"Oh Rune's not a wolf, but he's certainly acting odd."

"That's strange Rune, not wolvish, but you'r acting wierd."

What is that even supposed to mean? Do you think the person is a wolf, or are you just not agreeing with the way the person is acting?

Funny, how just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean the person would be a good Captain. It works both ways, just because you don't think someone should be a Captain, doesn't mean that person is a wolf.

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

Interesting, I actually thought the ploy for Captain is just something that doesn't really have anything to do with being, not being, seeming or not seeming suspicious. I think it would fit Rune - an innocent Rune - to do that. Or a Cobbler Rune, for that matter. That would be likely, for example. But I do not think he would act the way he does if he was a Wolf. He's really vocal in a weird way (ha, again that word, but it really describes it. And no, I disagree, it's not just a word for "suspicous". Suspicious, at least here, means that I suspect him of something evil, i.e. of being a Wolf, but I don't. He's just weird, but obviously not weird to make me consider lynch him), that's not normal for Rune, but not even for a Wolf Rune, I would think. (Though I can't remember when I have last seen one.) I am not going to vote him for a Captain, though.

EDIT: x-ed since the quoted post

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

And I realize, I should have been more clear about who I was speaking towards too. I was directing my comments towards sally, Lommy, Nienna, and Kath.

However, you should consider (take this as me defending Rune...that's what it is) Rune's behavior. He does like positions of power, period, and he likes to be voted into them. He said the same exact speech in Fea's Republic game, campaigning to be a representative. If I recall, he was highly supportive of morm on Day 1 in that game, because of shared sense of connection/history/whatever you want to call it. I don't know if it's the same reasoning with Valier, but you know that wolves aren't the only ones with reasons to be openly supportive of eachother. In fact, the question is would a wolf-Rune and a wolf-Valier be so up-front about it on Day 1?

Perhaps, but such conspiracy theories about who's together with whom are very premature at this point. You shouldn't let suspicions against Rune dictate who else you find suspicious, and then use that as further reason to suspect Rune, because we don't know Rune's or anyone else's, role yet.

[Thinlómien]

I don't like Kath's vote for Valier, it seems forcedly reasonable.

Then again, that's kind of understandable.

But then again again, I really wouldn't mind voting her even as innocent because she so totally fooled me in Brinn's game.




edit: xed with Mac

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't like Kath's vote for Valier, it seems forcedly reasonable.

Personally I think it's okay. I have somewhat positive feeling of Kath. (But should I be alarmed, as thus far I was never ever able to get a reading of her?) Though personally I would not like to vote for Valier either - as I said above, not now on first Day when she's playing after such a long time.

[Thinlómien]

Oops Nogs, I meant some other post, the question was: what if the same person is elected both captain and NG? does the ng title go to the person with second most ng votes?

I had a look at Sally and she really didn't seem too suspicious, except that she was uncharacteristically serious in her few last posts. Hmmm.

*quite lost on whom to vote*


edit: some x-ing

[Boromir88]

Why is sally always the last minute band-wagon target when no one can come up with something they find suspicious?

[A Little Green]

Ok, I'm back, and it seems I have a bit over half an hour to decide who I want to vote for lynch.

It won't be: (a.k.a. people I feel good about or have other reasons for not voting)
Fea - Nothing against her.
Nienna - Very sharp and seems innocent - I might vote to make her a Guard.
Macalaure - I like his reasoning, seems innocent, might vote for a Guard.
Kath - I don't pretend I can read her but she feels okay. Might vote for a Guard.
Loslote - Gets the benefit of doubt for being new, I might have a closer look at her toMorrow since her jump on Valier's suspicion of Nienna did look fishy.
Greenie - Obviously.
Nerwen - Another sensible player who seems innocent this far.
Roa - Way too helpful to be rid of on Day 1 with no reason!
Lommy - Seems nice and cuddly and innocent. I wonder, actually, if she's being a bit too cuddly, but consent to keeping an eye on her.
Boro - He, too, seems innocent and contributes.
Brinn - I know I'm rubbish at reading her but she seems genuine.
Rune - I agree with Mac in that he's most likely innocent or cobbler. Not worth a lynch vote, therefore.

Which leaves:
Valier - Quite frankly I have no idea.
Inzil - Same thing.
Sally - I'm really not sure. I didn't like her vote, it seemed so easy. On the other hand, I fear this may be just the basic Day 1 vague bad feeling thing that ends up in a disaster.
Hakon - His desire to become Captain was odd - I'm just wondering if it's a wolf being a bit too straightforward with his aims, a wolf who's attempting a ploy or an innocent who genuinely thinks he'd make a good Captain. Or a cobbler trying to provoke people by behaving oddly? Dunno.
Gwath - No idea.


EDIT: x-ed with a horde

[Kath]

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?

[Hakon]

I just got home. I am going to start reading then I will vote.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kath

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?

Okay the time is quite nasty for me (0.25AM with an early morning call) but I'd say you get 15 minutes extra toDay, so

the DL is 10.15PM GMT - fifty minutes from now...

[Macalaure]

The Downs are back, but the Downers aren't? Ah, well. Let's get the following out of the way:

++Captain Kath

++Guard Brinn

[Nogrod]

Day1 votes thus far.

Captaincy:
Boro -> Rune
Sally -> Legate
Greenie -> Legate
Nerwen -> Roa
Valier -> Rune
Loslote -> Rune
Roa -> Legate
Rune -> Rune
Fea -> Roa
Inzil -> Rune (5)
Nienna -> Legate (4)
Lommy -> Roa (3)
Mac -> Kath

Five votes left...

NG:
Boro -> Inzil
Sally -> Valier
Inzil -> Boro
Roa -> Brinn
Nerwen -> Kath
Loslote -> Boro (2)
Rune -> Valier
Valier -> Roa
Fea -> Nienna
Nienna -> Roa (2)
Lommy -> Valier (3)
Mac -> Brinn (2)

Six votes left...

Lynch:
Rune -> Legate
Roa -> Rune
Nerwen -> Boro
Fea -> Hakon
Sally -> Rune
Nienna -> Rune (3)
Loslote -> Nienna

Eleven votes left...

[Macalaure]

Rune for captain, I'm not sure about that. Legate or Roa aren't my ideal choices either, but ok.
Valier or Roa for guard is a bad idea, since they are most likely not targets anyway. Boro is not much better. Out of the people who have guard-votes, I'd prefer Brinn, Kath, or Inzil.
Rune for lynch is a bad idea, too. Hakon, well, not sure how suspicious he is, but he hasn't been helpful so far, so it would at least not be the worst loss.

Not too happy with your choices so far, village.

[Hakon]

I have read most of the posts. I do not have any solid suspicions although I don't like how Rune is getting so many votes for captain so easily. So yes he is my lynch vote.

++Rune

++Captain Legate

It is either Rune, him or Roa. Something is off about Roa. It is not a gut feeling it is more just how she responded to that Boro and Fea thing earlier.

++Guard Brinn

Needed to vote for someone here and she seems the best choice after Boro who does not wanted to be guarded.

[A Little Green]

++Hakon

Because of the two I considered voting (a.k.a. him and Sally) he's the one who has already received a vote and I don't want Rune to die. I don't think he is a werewolf.

PS. It seems I forgot Legate from my list. He is in the not to be lynched -category, obviously, since I voted him for Captaincy and all.

[A Little Green]

I'll be leaving now and let Lommy use the computer until DL. It seems Rune is on the lead at both lynch- and Captain votes. Interesting.


EDIT: x-ed with Valier and Inziladun

[Kath]

Erm, I'm a little confused Nog sorry. Your post was timestamped 10:25 so 15 or 50 minutes on from then?

Anyway here's the rest of toDay looked at (in far less detail due to the 'Downs misbehaving) along with a vote summary. I need to get to bed soon so I'll vote after I've posted this.

Legate – I actually really like his reasoning for making quiet people NGs. It is a good way to get them more involved.

Boro – er, I’m not sure. Basically ‘vote your top suspect’, which is fine if obvious, but not always feasible if voting your top suspect becomes utterly pointless if other people already have three votes and no one else suspects your suspect. Thinks Valier suspicious. Haha! A cross role hint! I was wondering how long it would take to get one of those.

Nienna – does even longer lists than me!

Inzil – suspects Hakon a bit for saying why he should be captain (I presume he means the innocent bit).

Nerwen – little bit suspicious of Rune for gunning for captain. Suspicious of Fea for not being aggressive enough.

Greenie – same thoughts as me about making a quiet person captain.

Roa – a no show during the Day might be a no show during the Night and thus could do no damage. Ok, I see her point.

Valier – getting a bad vibe from Nienna.

By the way Rune I know! I was planning on keeping a very close eye out for the start of the game given that it is Nog’s. I think I made my missing Day 1 case well while I was there but I thought I should try even harder than usual not to do it!

Aha votes! So:

Captain:
Boro --> Rune
Sally --> Legate
Greenie --> Legate
Nerwen --> Roa
Valier --> Rune
Lottie --> Rune
Roa --> Legate
Rune --> Rune
Fea --> Roa
Inzil --> Rune
Nienna --> Legate
Lommy --> Roa
Mac --> Kath

NG
Boro --> Inzil
Sally --> Valier
Inzil --> Boro
Roa --> Brinniel
Nerwen --> Kath
Lottie --> Boro
Rune --> Valier
Valier --> Roa
Fea --> Nienna
Nienna --> Roa
Lommy --> Valier
Mac --> Brinn

Lynch
Rune --> Legate
Roa --> Rune
Nerwen --> Boro
Fea --> Hakon
Sally --> Rune
Nienna --> Rune
Lottie --> Nienna
Greenie --> Hakon

[Roa_Aoife]

Sorry, I was interrupted by children selling wrapping paper.

I think we really need to use our votes for NG to protect the probable kill choices. Brinn, Kath, and Gwath.

Who has yet to vote?

[Valier]

Hmmm the site seems to be having problems, so I don't want to risk not voting uncase it goes down again.

++Loslote for Lynch

Not sure if I was supposed to just bold that or highlight...

I was leaning towards Nienna but Loslotes actions seem more warranted for my vote today. I will have my radar on towards one or both tomorrow.

I'll still be here till the DL as long as the Downs is

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Valier

Not sure if I was supposed to just bold that or highlight...

Only bold the lynch vote (so it stays white) and highligt the election-votes (Captain & the NG).

It's easier to look for them from the thread in case of need...

I have counted your vote already but you should change that just to be nice...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Kath

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?

Glad to see it's not just my internet.
Admittedly, I don't have much in the way of good lynch candidates.
I need to vote while I can.

++ Lynch Hakon

He can't be just an unusual innocent every time, and I have no better leads at this point.