T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nerwen]

So, I've tabled the votes for comparision purposes

Known innocents are in italics, known wolves are underlined.

BORO
Guard: Inzil
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Lommy

SALLY
Guard: Valier
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Rune

GREENIE
Guard: No-one
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Hakon

INZIL (ORDO)
Guard: Boro
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Hakon

ROA
Guard: Brinn
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Rune

NERWEN
Guard: Kath
Captain: Roa
Lynch: Boro

LOSLOTE
Guard: Boro
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Nienna

RUNE (WEREWOLF)
Guard: Valier
Captain: Himself!
Lynch: Legate

VALIER
Guard: Roa
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Loslote

FEA
Guard: Nienna
Captain: Roa
Lynch: Hakon

NIENNA
Guard: Roa
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Rune

LOMMY
Guard: Valier
Captain: Roa
Lynch: Kath

HAKON (MASTER HUNTER)
Guard: Brinn
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Rune

MAC (BERSERK HUNTER)
Guard: Kath (switched from earlier vote for Brinn)
Captain: Roa (switched from earlier vote for Kath)
Lynch: Hakon

LEGATE
Guard: Nienna
Captain: No-one
Lynch: Lommy

BRINNIEL
Didn't vote.

KATH
Didn't vote.

GWATHAGOR
Didn't vote.


All that voting to do and only two missed votes on Day One? EDIT:Wrong. Brinn didn't vote. EDIT2: Or Kath, or Gwath.

Hmmn... That was a lot of work, but I'm not sure how much can be deduced from it.

Of the living Rune-for-Captain voters (Loslote, Boro, Valier)–

One (Loslote) voted to Guard another (Boro).

One (Valier) voted to lynch another (Loslote). NB: This was the only vote cast on Loslote.

One (Valier) was guard-voted by Rune (wolf).

So, yes, there are quite a lot of connections between them– on the other hand Boro and Inzi would now appear strongly connected were the latter still alive.

EDIT:X'd with Brinn... who I'd forgotten about.
EDIT2:Put in entries for the non-voters.

[Nerwen]

Hmmn. I have no opinion on Brinn so far– I'd semi-forgotten she was playing– but I really don't like being voted for something as vague as "bad vibes".

[Gwathagor]

I just got up to date on toDay's posting. Nothing stands out to me at this point, but I'll be back in about 12 hours, at which point maybe I'll try digging a little deeper. Maybe. At least I'm not posting B.S. lists yet to fill out my post count.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

At least I'm not posting B.S. lists yet to fill out my post count.

You're not referring to my list up there, are you?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Really? The rule clarification just makes me want to move captains along more. An innocent captain still stands a chance of fouling things up (and if we're going to foul the lynch up, we may as well foul it up as a village, and not leave the decision up to one person), a gifted captain wouldn't be able to use their abilities, and a wolf captain with that kind of power would be truly devastating. No, thank you. Decide a tie, but more than that is too dangerous.

Well, could be, of course. But my opinion is, if we have a Captain, why not to let him use his power fully. You asked whether I have changed my opinion, I didn't - the rules have changed, or rather, were clarified, so that it means Captain's full powers don't actually come into being if he is not there for two consecutive Days. Of course I still deem a Wolf-Captain will be dangerous. But he will be dangerous whether we choose him for one or two Days. And if we really don't like the person we have voted for, we can vote him away already on the second Day (of course for now, I have no problem with keeping myself on second Day. If I didn't trust myself, I would probably suffer serious problems). Also, if the Captain utilises his vote-change power, wouldn't that say a lot about him? Even if he is a Wolf and does something totally ridiculous with his vote-save, wouldn't he have to justify his actions later to the village? So no, even the Wolves are far from having a totally free ride of misusing power, unless they are totally "who cares" people. (Like Rune might have been, perhaps?)

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

The people who voted to lynch Hakon are: Fea, Greenie, Inzil, and Mac. Mac and Inzil are known to be innocents, so that leaves Fea and Greenie

The people who voted Rune for captain are: Boro, Valier, Loslote, Rune (), and Inzil. Rune and Inzil are dead, so that leaves Boro, Valier, and Loslote.

People who tried to reason in favor of Rune, but did not vote him as captain: Legate (post 180, 191, 207, 222), Greenie (post 215), Mac (post 197, 220), Lommy (post 185, 236)

I am not sure what you mean by people "to reason in favour of Rune", but at least from my part, and I got the same feeling from the posts of all the others you name as well, it was just saying "I don't want Rune for Captain, but I am not comfortable with lynching him either". Mac himself said it quite plainly at one point, and he even thought Rune was definitely innocent, from what it seems to me. Not sure about the others, but to me, it was always just "I don't want Rune to be Captain for sure, but I don't want to lynch him either". That says it all and it's pretty simple, in my opinion. Speaking of that, and I can say it now that Rune is dead, also, personally, at one point I have been afraid that Rune might be a Berserk Hunter (or this Day-killing Hunter) and of course, given that he voted for me, I was worried that he might kill me if he is lynched - that is why I was hesitant in the end for doing anything about his Captainship (as that was something that might have prevented him from dying) or voting for him to be lynched. So you see, there were also personal reasons, where I did not feel comfortable with letting Rune die yet, at least until I get a better picture of him or his role.

To your question which you repeated several times, is it so hard to understand it? Somebody behaves weirdly, but not suspiciously. It does not seem, or make sense (that's what I thought about Rune, of course being mistaken, but that's another thing), or it does not necessarily mean (that's what I think about Boro) that he would be suspicious, or wolf-y. It's a completely different cathegory which has nothing to do with somebody being a Wolf or not.

As for other things. With Boro leaving for the Wilderness toDay, we are left with Valier and Loslote to look at on the list of Rune-Cap voters. With Hakon-lynch voters, I don't really suspect either of those left, at least in other things they didn't seem suspicious to me and also, like I already said to my BGs, I think it's quite easy to happen that innocents could pile up for bandwagon for lynch - probably easier than making Rune Captain. So I will now primarily focus on the Rune-Cap bandwagon, but I again ran out of time, so I need to save it for later.

I really have to leave now, will be back in several hours.

[Nerwen]

The Collected Works of Macalaure

#197

Originally Posted by Macalaure

The nightguards basically work as village-elected ranger protections, so I think it would make most sense to vote for two people who are likely to be killed during the first night. This means we can rule out Loslote, Valier, and Roa, since they're either new or haven't played in a long time, so it wouldn't be very nice for them to be killed right away. Although there are exceptions, the most common Night2-kills are either trailless (most likely), or with the intention to get rid of a dangerous opponent early. The latter is very difficult to predict for us, without knowledge of the wolves' identity, but the former we have a bit of a chance. Villagers who are mostly unhelpful shouldn't be protected, though - why protect someone who has a fair chance of becoming a problem to us? People who appear trailless to us (though, admittedly, other people might look trailless to the wolves), but are helpful (or promise to become helpful later) should be our guards.

On Day1, I would suggest a similar strategy for the captain, with the most suspicious individuals excepted. We don’t necessarily need the most innocent or most helpful or most talkative person in this role (not yet at any rate). Just someone who knows what he’s doing.

Candidates, in my opinion, are: Inzil, Kath, Gwath, Brinn, and Fea. (Nienna and Sally belong in there, too, but I find them suspicious.)

I'm tending towards Kath for captain, Brinn for guard.

Wolves:
I have barely an idea. My only real opinion of anyone is that Rune is neither wolf nor gifted. A wolf wouldn’t be so obvious, a gifted not so eager to be something special. Cobbler or ordo.
This is the reason, why Sally’s bandwaggon vote on Roa’s vote for him looks suspicious to me. Nienna’s vote looks as bad, and she did several things that make my radar ping badly, but by now I know from experience that that’s what she does when she’s innocent. So Sally ranks higher right now.


I don’t understand why it’s a problem if the same person is captain and lynched. The captain has the power to cancel the lynch, doesn’t he? Problem solved. But if the mod rules it otherwise, ok.

#202 [Replying to Roa; subject is Runewolf]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I haven't played with him in a long time, so I wouldn't vote for him on Day1 just because there's a chance he's the cobbler. I absolutely do not endorse him for captaincy either, though.

#213
Votes Kath for Captain, Brinn for NG.

#220

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Rune for captain, I'm not sure about that. Legate or Roa aren't my ideal choices either, but ok.
Valier or Roa for guard is a bad idea, since they are most likely not targets anyway. Boro is not much better. Out of the people who have guard-votes, I'd prefer Brinn, Kath, or Inzil.
Rune for lynch is a bad idea, too. Hakon, well, not sure how suspicious he is, but he hasn't been helpful so far, so it would at least not be the worst loss.

Not too happy with your choices so far, village.

#234
Says he doesn't think Rune is a wolf.

#237
Asks if Captain and NG votes are retractable.

#243
Retracts votes for Brinn and Kath, says he will vote for either Roa or Legate as Captain.

Votes to guard Kath.

Says he might lynch Hakon, but would lynch Sally or Nienna if there was more support for it.

#252

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I agree that Lommy's comments about Boro are a bit strange, but... why would wolf-Lommy make them? Why try to grab the attention of such a vocal player needlessly? Boro is not really a strong lynch candidate.

#259

Originally Posted by Macalaure

++Roa for captain

++Hakon

Explanations tomorrow.

So– here's Mac's recontructed suspicion list:

Suspicious: Sally, Nienna, Hakon.

Neutral: Boro, Fea, Valier, Boro, Lommy, Gwath, Inzil.

Innocent: Kath, Brinn, Roa, Legate, Rune.

(Didn't mention: Nerwen, Greenie, Loslote.)

Somebody earlier toDay called this a "no-trace" kill, but as you see it's anything but, except in the general sense that it points so many ways it arguably points nowhere all that strongly. The main thing it does is, obviously, make Sally and Nienna look bad and Kat, Brinn, Roa and Legate look good.

Considering his defence of a known wolf, though, I'm rather surprised the wolves didn't keep him alive and try to frame him.

EDIT:X'd with Gwath.
EDIT2:Added "didn't mention category to list.
EDIT3:fixed typo
EDIT:Added italics.