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Without meaning to belittle the status of Thorin's family, I'd think Eriador was safely outside the jurisdiction of the King under the Mountain. A habitual allusion to the days of the Kings of Arnor seems much more likely.
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I see no reason to counter-claim what's been said by some above in this thread a long time ago: it seems clear to me that what we are facing is the Hobbits' saying, as introduced in the Prologue to LotR. It seems obvious to me mainly because the words used are actually almost the same:
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As for the in-book perspective, it is interesting to note that by this logic (now you will see why I quoted the whole passages and not just the particular sentences), Bilbo must belong to the group of the "others" (which makes sense) - it was him, logically, who spoke these words (the question was the row between the travellers whether to go and check out the fire they saw in the wilderness or not). I considered it interesting from the perspective of the character analysis, as here we are obviously offered Bilbo's perspective on the matter put together into the group of "others" (some of the Dwarves), which by the way shows that he took an active part in the decision-making (resp. in the arguing) - which is nice, as I always pictured him as the fourteenth traveler who actually seems a bit misplaced and does not express much of his own feelings - at least not in public. This, on the other hand, sounds much more like the older, more self-confident Bilbo we know from LotR.
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Should one forget one's monarchy after a mere 1000 years, one would be no better than a foreigner,
toodle pip!
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Nah,
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