Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean he is an experienced leader indeed and thus realises the value of the information he has just been given. I mean what Thornden said was a bigger gift he could have imagined as he now has a roughly realistic picture of what he is facing. So he would not be impatient to have Thornden stop and look like he's not liking the fact Thornden tells him these things; but rather like interested and curious to learn more - if there would be more...

Maybe something like:

It will be done, my lord.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Yep...we can turn things upside down. Nienna, you take it from here, I think.

Hey, Lommy, is what's-his-name really going to fight with Thornden?

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Hey, Lommy, is what's-his-name really going to fight with Thornden?

He might be an idiot, but he wouldn't do that without a reason. Thornden would need to insult him or someone close to him rather badly, get on his way when he's very drunk ( ) and irritate him, or then there has to be a tournament or sorts. Or he might want to practise his skills against him but I doubt that - I think he'd stick to practising with his brother and maybe some of Athanar's soldiers...

Anyway, looking forward to him and his brother causing trouble... (just I'll be careful not to overdo it! that's why I let them more or less behave in my first post...)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

He might be an idiot, but he wouldn't do that without a reason. Thornden would need to insult him or someone close to him rather badly, get on his way when he's very drunk ( )

So did I hear something about this evening?

[Mnemosyne]

Lommy, verily are you the source of my grey hairs. That is all.

[Nogrod]

Oh you all!!! Good-bye civilisation!

Anyway the meeting is now called off and everyone can do what they wish until the party-time... hopefully starting on Friday (RL).

But before that, do your worst! Well, do not do your worst but have fun anyway...


Btw. Mnemo: I have used Wynflaed again to make lord Athanar look clumsy on social relations (not the first time). But anytime you think it is too far-fetched or not your character's thing (or she used wrong words / expressions etc.), just let me know and I'll edit my posts according to your wishes...

[Groin Redbeard]

Wow Lommy, I never realized that you could write so evil! I hope Thornden can handle himself.

[Folwren]

That is one of the most boring posts I think I've ever written. Well, that's not entirely true, but, yeah, it was pretty boring. Sorry about that.

Thornden is now out with everyone else. I think he's the only Scarburgian actually put in charge to see that stuff gets done. Everyone else in charge so far has been one of Athanar's men. That's just fine, I was just noting it.

Saeryn is off to seek Degas. She may be stopped on her way out, or she may not, whatever anyone chooses.

Javan is busy until he is needed in any post regarding the children. Nienna and Lommy, I wait for your lead on that.

And I think my business here is done for the night. See you all in the morning.

-- Foley

P.S. For anyone who is curious (which is probably nobody except me), Saeryn is about 3 months along now in her pregnancy. She and Eodwine were married August 9. It's now November 11.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Folwren

P.S. For anyone who is curious (which is probably nobody except me), Saeryn is about 3 months along now in her pregnancy. She and Eodwine were married August 9. It's now November 11.

Oh it's not just you. For somebody that doesn't want kids, I like hearing about babies. Even fake ones.

[Folwren]

Lommy, I love your posts, and I hate those two characters! It's so insulting to hear Thornden thought of as a 'peasant soldier'. The stuck up snobs. I just want to knock them both upside the head. But that's great! That's why I enjoy it so much. Hehehehehe.

So, it's really looking like we don't need any more truly bad characers. Athanar's family is doing a great job filling those rolls, and Legate's character seems kinda prickly, too, though in a different sort of way. I am probably not going to take on Scyrr, or whatever his name was.

Fea, I'm so excited about Saeryn's baby, it's insane. I'm glad you're looking forward to it, too. I figured you might be one of the few actually interested. Not necessarily 'cause you like hearing about babies, but that Saeryn was your character.

-- Foley

X-posted with Nogrod.

Um....I'm not really sure how long it woul take to build something like that or what kind of materials it would take, but I'm sort of under the impression that they wouldn't like to use stuff for something like that. I could be wrong, though. I don't really care, I guess. I'll change it, if you think it's best to be changed.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I'm glad you're looking forward to it, too. I figured you might be one of the few actually interested. Not necessarily 'cause you like hearing about babies, but that Saeryn was your character.

I feel like an expectant grandma. I want all the details, and I plan to buy tiny little shoes and bibs that say, "I love my gramma."

[Folwren]

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.

Originally Posted by Fea

I feel like an expectant grandma. I want all the details, and I plan to buy tiny little shoes and bibs that say, "I love my gramma."

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

-- Foley

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

Ooh! I'm in.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.

Good! I think it looks better now.

But that actually brings forward a more general issue about the lodgings.

In the former Mead Hall they lived quite comfortably. Fex. Stigend, Modtryth and Cnebba had their own "family room" - as did Garstan and his children and so on. And I think they had also "guest-rooms"...

The last time we have taken a stance on these issues in Scarburg I think was when they had come to settle and there were no walls standing anywhere and they all lived under a large lean-to. Then I mentioned something about the people moving inside the main Hall as soon as it was ready enough to give cover to people - that was when we kind of re-started this.

Clearly the Hall-building is already standing and at least some of the inner spaces are kind of "done" (meaning: they exist but are not probably finished), the kitchens sure exist as they would have been the first thing to do - and apparently there are some kind of stables as well already.


I have a suggestion, let me hear what you think of it.

The main building would have a more or less ready Hall with long tables, firesides etc. Also I think it would be a two storey building and that at least part of the upper floor would be there already - including two larger halls / rooms for people to sleep and a "double-room" / suite for lord Eodwine & Saeryn.

And now part of the women's hall would have been divided with a wall to make Saeryn a room of her own as Athanar and Wynflaed have moved into the suite.

(Heh, I'm just thinking what Will & Wolf will say on the opportunity to sleep with all the other males in a shared hall... )

But sure this all is under construction as we speak...

Which means that on the next day (whenever we get to it) we really need to write a meeting between lord Athanar and the craftsmen - and possibly anyone else knowledgeable of the architectural plans (Thornden at least, I think?).

Meanwhile back in the jungle... in this discussion thread, you should tell me what kind of ideas you have concerning the future look of the Mead Hall. I'll produce something like a plan from those and then supply lord Athanar's views myself. Then we shall see how it will turn out.

And anyway, I'm trying to draw a picture of the place in general - like a larger scope view - during the weekend. All suggestions will be heard and I'll first draw just rudimentary version of it so that it can be changed according to any feedback.

Does that sound okay?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have no preference at all about how everything's set up, as long is it's done logically and coherently. Like, privies wouldn't be next to the kitchen, any workshops wouldn't be next to sleeping quarters; single women and single men would bed down in their respective spaces; there would only be as many 'guest' rooms as there might be visiting people deserving of separate quarters (as most people would just go to the women's or men's quarters).

There'll need to be a well near the kitchens, and there'd probably also be an outdoor cooking area (think of large amounts of meat roasting on spits; they don't fit well in kitchens).

But apart from general suggestions like that? Draw what seems logical, and we can edit later. Like you said, that's always easiest.

[Folwren]

Okay....I got bored with my economics paper and decided to draw this.

Anyone from Europe, please forgive the fact that I have used the standard American measurement - the foot. A foot is about 30.5 centimeters.

What you see is the lower storey of the building. As you can see, there is a lot of extra room across from the kitchen. I was thinking of putting an armory and the room for all the men-at-arms to sleep in that space. I was also thinking of having the kitchen ladies sleep downstairs as well, but I don't know if there's room for all that. Let me know your thoughts.

Another thing that I'm concerned about is that I may have made everything too small. Please give me your input. I'm bad at picturing big things.

-- Foley

[Groin Redbeard]

Very well written, Foley! I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore? Other than that, I like it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am not really any architect (and I never completed my cartography course), but I am a long-time Dungeon Master (and thus used to drawing maps... and also measuring in feet ) and just from my opinion, it looks more or less fine, in the basic terms.

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall? (The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall?

Not sure precisely.

(The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

This is a concern I had, too. Twelve stables is enough for a semi-public barn now adays, but a barn in Rohan that is public would probably need to be a lot bigger...even if there were padlocks, which there will be. I will go ahead and expand the stables and mark in fences and the like.

Originally Posted by Groin

I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore?

Originally Posted by Legate

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

Yeah, that's why I put it where it is.

I'll see what else I can do before I must go to bed tonight.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Nienna, you're post was great. I was excited to see it.

----

Updated version of the map. I think I made the stalls too large at first. I have altered their size to 10 feet by 10 feet.

I also added the armoury and the gaurd room, along with doors and such.

I need comments and thoughts about upstairs.

I'm off to bed.

-- Folwren

P.S. Nogrod, I sincerely hope you don't resent the fact that I've kind of taken this out of your hand. I just had a vivid idea, and I didn't want to work on my economics paper, so I drew it....and got sucked in, and kept drawing.

Edit: All these stables would not be built at this time. The paddocks may be, and the first twelve stalls plus the tack room and maybe Leof's room will be built at by Nov. 11 of the game.

2nd Edit: Tomorrow, if I have time, I will try to finish the upstairs, and I will put in plans for stuff to go by the kitchen, like a garden and whatnot. Also, we'll need to think of a place for the privy, as someone mentioned above.

[Folwren]

So....is it a good werewolf game?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Aww, poor Foley... Yes, it's a good Werewolf game.

But I'm also paying attention to Scarburg.

What do you have in mind for Saeryn and Degas? Or was that more like just an exeunt for Saeryn? Are we actually having them meet up to chat? And if so, do you want to do a PM co-post, or just wing it on the thread?

As for Rowenna, I'm vaguely holding out on her just because it's so busy in-game that I haven't quite worked out a place for her yet.

[Nogrod]

How do you feel, should we have the post opening the evening banquet - and lord Athanar making his speech - sooner or later?

So would you like to continue making people meet or would you like to get things advancing a bit further?

I can write that post in 24 hours the earliest but could well postpone it to Sunday-Monday (and in the latter case I might write one for lord Athanar looking at the surroundings / meeting someone / cnebba or Stigend doing something before it).

How do you feel about that?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm good either way, since neither of my characters are particularly involved in anything just now, though if Foley and I do opt for a co-post, that will need a little time if only due to the nature of collaboration.

[Folwren]

I would really like to have Javan meet up with Aedre and the two younger boys before the banquet....but I can't quite make an entrance yet. So, I'm on hold with that character for now...

As for Saeryn and Degas, I really don't think we need to do an actual post....well...it would be interesting if we did, Fea, so if you want to, let's go ahead, because I have a lot of feelings for what Saeryn is feeling, but I haven't put it into any words yet, and maybe it would be good for players to find out what she's thinking...? I don't know.

And right now, I need to head back to class because it's break and it's time to get back.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Foley!

It's great you have been doing the map! And it looks pretty good indeed.

I have a few questions for you to consider though - and I hopefully have time during the weekend to really look at them.

But just for starters.

What do you mean by the Guardroom? Is it meant to be room where the guards sleep or where they have their office - or where they guard?

With the two latter options it would be too far away and aside of anything to be guarded.


Couldn't the armoury be on the left of the doors as that would be the coldest part of the hall during cold periods and thus liberate space for a table or two near the kitchens where it would be warmer?


Also we need to attach fireplaces - and look at their places in accordance with the second story so that all the warmth that comes from the fireplaces would directly heat the rooms up above them and not go astray. And the kitchen oven (& the possible fireplace on top of that) should also be used to warm some upper-story chambers?

I have some ideas on those but if you have some as well feel free to add them and we can discuss this plan further as the weekend comes.

[Folwren]

Nog, I'll answer you next break in class. I'm late as it is.

[Nogrod]

I would love to see Saeryn and Degas meet before the banquet begins!

[Nogrod]

Oh, one more addendum to the planning...

We had a corridor between the kitchen and the Hall in the previous Hall as the hall was made of wood. But now it seems lord Eodwine had gotten his wishes through at least in part - and thus it would make it possible that the wall between the Hall and the kitchen would be made of stone and thus there needn't be a corridor for fire safety reasons... which means more warmth to the Hall as the kitchen oven might be made into the wall with the Hall itself...

[Folwren]

Oooookay. At long last, I posted.

Durelin - your character is addressed, but hardly needs to answer.
Legate and Durelin - I don't know if Firefoot is around. She hasn't been lately. She plays Leof's character. If you wish, you can have Leof approaching them to tell them that he needs some help, as Saeryn ordered.

Fea, I posted for Saeryn, but did not have her find Degas. Instead I had her find Flithaf's stall taken with the new lord's horse. Hehehehe. That's beside the point. You can have Degas ride up whenever you like.

Remember while writing, everyone, that the second wing of stalls are NOT built at present. So, I think we have 11 stalls?

Lommy! Great post! I liked it. Legate was right - it was cute.
Javan won't enter quite yet. Let Aedre get heated up first.

Guardroom does equal Barracks. I will note that. I am also moving the barracks/guardroom to another place, so....if you all will hang on for like thirty minutes, I'll get a new and improved map up. You're getting this in piece meal, you know.

At present, there may not be very many guards, but there are a lot of men, and I think that right now, since we don't have a lot of actual rooms built, the men will all be staying in one place. That's one reason it's so large, I think.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Here is the newest map.

As you see, I haven't decided what those rooms inside the hall are. I am trying to put the womens' quarters down there and the master bedroom. Plenty of room, I just don't know how to use the room.

I have added doors to all the stalls. I have also put many doors into the building. Note the side door by the stairs. Also, the kitchen has two doors....

I'll work on this later tonight some more.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Here is the newest map.

Foley, I think the link is missing...

[Nogrod]

On the guardroom & barracks issue...

It would be wise if any rooms hosting the soldiers would be tight against the walls of the MH itself as the Hall will be warmed up during winter-time and thus as much square-feets/meters adjacent to the Hall itself would mean cost-free heating to them. So not a square-shaped room in the corner of the Hall but a rectangle building along the lines of the Hall itself? Probably behind it looking from the main doors eg. behind the longer back-wall?

Also those rooms upstairs (for others than soldiers) should be over the main heat supplies: the main fireplace at the Hall, the side-fireplace heating the best tables and the eorl's bench, the kitchen oven (which should be sharing a wall with the Hall) as heat gets upwards... etc.

I have an idea of how it might work, but let us see if you Foley come up with a better solution to it.

Also I managed to draw a general map of the Mid-Emnet in relation to Edoras. I'll take a pic of it tomorrow in daylight and send it here for you to approve/disapprove.


And as Lommy said: there is no hurry!

As long as people think they wish to write people meeting before the banquet and there are a host of posts everyday, we shall go on. When you feel you are ready or the number of posts starts to go down, I'll post for lord Athanar to open the banquet. So take your time - posting that is.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

My apologies, Harad and Umbar, for my slights against your rulers.

[Nienna]

So I don't know if rascal is something she would know to call someone so if it glaringly non-period please let me know. Now I can't wait for Javan's reply. I'm having a blast in case anyone was wondering.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh nos! An insult to parentage!

Hehe!

We're such naughty children writing so much havoc. It's awesome.

[Nogrod]

Fun!

Just let me know when you're ready... but no hurry. As long as there is a host of posting we will stay with the current situation (so do not be afraid to go meet someone else's character or anything).

I'll try to write the speech of lord Athanar tomorrow (if I have time) but can send it - and all that surrounds it - on any day then, like in a few days, the next weekend... So go for the posting meanwhile! It's looking very good indeed.


Also, let's discuss the plans of the hall more tomorrow. I've had Legate, Lommy and Greenie around here for the evening and now as they sleep I have played werewolf...

But I'll be back tomorrow.

[Durelin]

Legate - I took a little liberty in moving things forward (assuming Hilderinc just gathered up the men from nearby) and by not having Áforglæd fall in line with the other soldiers. The reasons behind this are up to you because Hilderinc is sort of involved. So of course, let me know if what I did is alright - if not, I will be more than happy to edit.

I figure it might be interesting to have a missing man for a little, whether or not he is purposefully avoiding things. If no one knows where Áforglæd is, Coen will try not to put a hold on everything to find him.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Nienna

So I don't know if rascal is something she would know to call someone so if it glaringly non-period please let me know. Now I can't wait for Javan's reply. I'm having a blast in case anyone was wondering.

I think rascal is fine. But forgive me if I seem prudish or something, but I've noted a few writers inserting the swear-word 'bloody' in some recent posts. That's fine if tempers are running high, and since I'm not really leading this game, my word doesn't carry any weight, but I would personally like to see less/no swearing except on the rarest occasion.

I will write Javan's post now. I'm at my Aunt's house on her computer, so I don't know where to find a word processor (I'm on an Apple computer....) so my post may have some typing mistakes.

Nienna, I'm progressing this fight, I hope you don't mind. If you want more say in what happens, go ahead and post and I can alter what I end up posting in just a few minutes...

-- Foley

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Legate - I took a little liberty in moving things forward (assuming Hilderinc just gathered up the men from nearby) and by not having Áforglæd fall in line with the other soldiers. The reasons behind this are up to you because Hilderinc is sort of involved. So of course, let me know if what I did is alright - if not, I will be more than happy to edit.

I figure it might be interesting to have a missing man for a little, whether or not he is purposefully avoiding things. If no one knows where Áforglæd is, Coen will try not to put a hold on everything to find him.

Good, looks fine to me. I will try to think of a post and write something now in the following few hours.

Originally Posted by Folwren

But forgive me if I seem prudish or something, but I've noted a few writers inserting the swear-word 'bloody' in some recent posts. That's fine if tempers are running high, and since I'm not really leading this game, my word doesn't carry any weight, but I would personally like to see less/no swearing except on the rarest occasion.

One of them would have been me - and in that case, the intention was to sort of make it go with Áforglæd's character, him being suddenly startled by Coen's approach and being probably close to this "earth-bred soldier"-type. I wanted to use some word which would sound plausible (the other variant was something like "damned", but this one sounded better to me and far more appropriate). I think the likes of Áforglæd or the other infamous Scyrr could be somewhat close to this type and thus also their speech, when they are only among themselves (and not for example speaking to their leader), could reflect that (of course not always by any means, but in emotional moments like this).