TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

On a more serious note, the Living number seventeen. There are five baddies (three out of four Wolves, on the basis that one of them is on our side, one Bear and one Cobbler).

He started this this whole thing...

We misunderstood How many wolves because Mira accidently said seven ordos instead of six...

However until SPM said this I simply thought three wolves....

Good point. I assume that the friendly Wolf counts in the Wolves’ numbers for the purposes of determining victory, just as the Cobbler counts for the Innocents. But, he is, of course, playing for us, so it would be somewhat ungracious to kill him, if we can possibly avoid it.

Continues even says keep one wolf alive

After that I had a lot of reading and ended up skimming. That's when I read Nog's post it seemed logical to me. Maybe he could be a wolf tricking me into thinking SPM but I felt it was a sincere post:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Spm

In his first post he playfully argues why all the three first posters are wolves and then adds that Nerwen's "audacious accusation" towards Sally (saying she is too self-conscious in remarking about the first posters) is very suspicious.

In his next post he addresses the Bear; "how good you are, no pressure..." (and a smilie). Followed by a kind of humorous self-revealment for Nerwen's remark ("Lightning never strike in the same place twice, except in horror stories, of course... er ..." (and a smilie).

In his third post he introduces the "Friendly-wolf" -interpretation and talks about "ungraciousness" if we killed him.

In his fourth he turns now to Inzil who had questioned him of getting after Nerwen too readily and says Inzil looks suspicious for making that interpretation (like reduplicating his own suspicion on Nerwen).

In his fifth he says the friendly wolf would not turn against us if he was left the last one.

In his sixth he agrees with Nerwen on not willing to kill the friendly wolf before he has gotten a chance of "leaving trails or helped in other ways".

In his seventh he backed down from the "friendly wolf" interpretation (as it started turning more and more obvious it was not the case - I mean how did you read that from there to begin with???).

In his eighth he is sad because the friendly-wolf -stuff would have confused the wolves. Starts suspecting Roa for jumping on his Friendly-wolf -hypotheses and says it would be bad for a wolf to try that (which might be true, but it would be very good for a cobbler... and even better for one to say just this).

In his ninth he defended himself (very reasonably indeed) and went on the suspicion raised by Brinn against Roa, adding to it his own suspicions (Roa suspecting him & Nerwen from early posts).

So what should I say, other than he looks like a cobbler to me?

All this creating of confusion, all that could be seen as "contact-making" (more of that with Greenie), all the suspicion thrown around like at random (well that could be argued for as a tactics of an innocent as well) and to top it; his defence of himself of saying it would be bad for a wolf to do what he did... heh, so not a wolf, but... a cobbler?
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[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

He started this this whole thing...

We misunderstood How many wolves because Mira accidently said seven ordos instead of six...

However until SPM said this I simply thought three wolves....

Continues even says keep one wolf alive

He did not start it, he gave a statistic that he thought was correct. The whole thing snowballed...SPAM's first post would have come to nothing if people hadn't jumped on it. It wasn't that ground breaking.

He says it would be a shame to kill the wolf that's on our side. I see nothing wrong, other than the fact that there is no wolf on our side.

EDIT: xed with Morsul

[Morsul the Dark]

Let's keep a wolf alive, sounds like a good idea when the point is to get rid of werewolves? I'm not saying He IS one I'm saying I feel there is enough evidence to place a albeit fairly shallow vote for him.

[Inziladun]

Updated:


Greenie--> Nog (1)

Morsul--> SPM (1)

Pitch--> Boro (1)

SPM--> Morsul (1)

Roa--> SPM (2)

Nog--> McCaber (1)

Lottie--> Morsul (2)

Hakon--> Morsul (3)

Sally--> Hakon (1)


Totals- Morsul= 3
SPM= 2
Nog, Boro, McCaber, Hakon= 1

[Morsul the Dark]

WOO 3 votes day one! avoided all suspicion as wolf last game... attracted all suspicion as a non-baddie this game

[Lariren Shadow]

Am sick, haven't slept a lot, and currently despise writing papers.

++Hakon

His reasoning being mostly meta game and then flat out saying that he will not tell us the other half of his reasoning? That just seems way to secretive. Also basically claiming that Mira picked roles instead of it being random? Basically saying she lied? I just can't function these reasons. maybe its the Day 1 thing but at the same time I have this anger over that.

[Inziladun]

Blast it.

Morsul's defensiveness seemed as if it could be genuine frustration. I don't think I can go for him just now.

Hakon either, though I can understand Sally's vote for him, I think. Lari's looks a little worse to me, but I don't want to vote for her. She says she doesn't feel well, so I'll let it go. Hope you feel better.

I don't think I want on the Morsul or SPM trains just now.
Pitch's vote for Boro was sudden, and his reasoning for it was what didn't appear to me to be a very serious suspicion against Sally.

So it's

++ Pitch

[Brinniel]

Sorry, sorry...I meant to be back earlier, but that didn't happen. Not to mention, I only got two hours of sleep last night and am already crashing...

Some quick thoughts:

-So far Spm doesn't give me any suspicious vibes. Actually, if you want to go back to the whole Friendly Wolf thing, his confusion on the issue seemed most genuine compared to others. Anyway, I'm not going to bother looking back at all that again since the FW thing has become one big headache that I really don't care to sort out right now.

-Does Greenie always vote Nog on Day One? I'm getting the sense of déjà vu here...

-Nogrod's vote for McCaber seemed to come out of nowhere, which makes me a bit wary.

-While Morsul's posts do seem a bit sketchy, I'm rather worried about this bandwagon I see developing. Of the Morsul voters so far, Loslote seems to be the opportunist. She came in right as a discussing bandwagon against Morsul was forming, and was quite eager to add to that suspicion and then vote him.

-Hakon's earlier meta-reasoning doesn't concern me so much as he's made these sort of errors before. But the fact that he states that half his reasoning to vote Morsul is meta after everyone tells him not to is indeed concerning. Now, I don't know if he's an innocent going on the wrong track, or a baddie who is using flimsy reasons to come up with suspicions, but he really does need to start coming up with a new strategy now because meta-reasoning just won't do.

[Mirandir]

If anything else is said about the meta game I'm modfiring everyone who brings it up. Seriously. META GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WEREWOLF.

[Morsul the Dark]

META........Morphise into a butterfly

Please don't modfire me...

I'd like to point out while a lot of people are Mentioning it only one person seems to be Using it...at least Obviously and overthetop

[satansaloser2005]

++Hakon

The level of shiftiness worries me. That and he should know better than to use meta reasons by now.

Sorry, but I don't have much else than that. Feel free to overrule me if the rest of you innocents wish, but I don't feel up to doing any work right now so this is as good as it gets. Good night, all, and hope to see you all in the Morning!