Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.

Originally Posted by Fea

I feel like an expectant grandma. I want all the details, and I plan to buy tiny little shoes and bibs that say, "I love my gramma."

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

-- Foley

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Haha! Okay. How 'bout we plan the details together?

Ooh! I'm in.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Nogrod, I went ahead and edited that post.

Good! I think it looks better now.

But that actually brings forward a more general issue about the lodgings.

In the former Mead Hall they lived quite comfortably. Fex. Stigend, Modtryth and Cnebba had their own "family room" - as did Garstan and his children and so on. And I think they had also "guest-rooms"...

The last time we have taken a stance on these issues in Scarburg I think was when they had come to settle and there were no walls standing anywhere and they all lived under a large lean-to. Then I mentioned something about the people moving inside the main Hall as soon as it was ready enough to give cover to people - that was when we kind of re-started this.

Clearly the Hall-building is already standing and at least some of the inner spaces are kind of "done" (meaning: they exist but are not probably finished), the kitchens sure exist as they would have been the first thing to do - and apparently there are some kind of stables as well already.


I have a suggestion, let me hear what you think of it.

The main building would have a more or less ready Hall with long tables, firesides etc. Also I think it would be a two storey building and that at least part of the upper floor would be there already - including two larger halls / rooms for people to sleep and a "double-room" / suite for lord Eodwine & Saeryn.

And now part of the women's hall would have been divided with a wall to make Saeryn a room of her own as Athanar and Wynflaed have moved into the suite.

(Heh, I'm just thinking what Will & Wolf will say on the opportunity to sleep with all the other males in a shared hall... )

But sure this all is under construction as we speak...

Which means that on the next day (whenever we get to it) we really need to write a meeting between lord Athanar and the craftsmen - and possibly anyone else knowledgeable of the architectural plans (Thornden at least, I think?).

Meanwhile back in the jungle... in this discussion thread, you should tell me what kind of ideas you have concerning the future look of the Mead Hall. I'll produce something like a plan from those and then supply lord Athanar's views myself. Then we shall see how it will turn out.

And anyway, I'm trying to draw a picture of the place in general - like a larger scope view - during the weekend. All suggestions will be heard and I'll first draw just rudimentary version of it so that it can be changed according to any feedback.

Does that sound okay?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have no preference at all about how everything's set up, as long is it's done logically and coherently. Like, privies wouldn't be next to the kitchen, any workshops wouldn't be next to sleeping quarters; single women and single men would bed down in their respective spaces; there would only be as many 'guest' rooms as there might be visiting people deserving of separate quarters (as most people would just go to the women's or men's quarters).

There'll need to be a well near the kitchens, and there'd probably also be an outdoor cooking area (think of large amounts of meat roasting on spits; they don't fit well in kitchens).

But apart from general suggestions like that? Draw what seems logical, and we can edit later. Like you said, that's always easiest.

[Folwren]

Okay....I got bored with my economics paper and decided to draw this.

Anyone from Europe, please forgive the fact that I have used the standard American measurement - the foot. A foot is about 30.5 centimeters.

What you see is the lower storey of the building. As you can see, there is a lot of extra room across from the kitchen. I was thinking of putting an armory and the room for all the men-at-arms to sleep in that space. I was also thinking of having the kitchen ladies sleep downstairs as well, but I don't know if there's room for all that. Let me know your thoughts.

Another thing that I'm concerned about is that I may have made everything too small. Please give me your input. I'm bad at picturing big things.

-- Foley

[Groin Redbeard]

Very well written, Foley! I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore? Other than that, I like it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am not really any architect (and I never completed my cartography course), but I am a long-time Dungeon Master (and thus used to drawing maps... and also measuring in feet ) and just from my opinion, it looks more or less fine, in the basic terms.

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall? (The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maybe one question... how many people actually are there in the Mead Hall?

Not sure precisely.

(The original question that came to my mind in connection with the map was: how many horses? Like, if the stables are sufficient. If there are some riders of Éomer for one day, I guess that's not a problem, but there are probably quite many horses even permanently, so...)

This is a concern I had, too. Twelve stables is enough for a semi-public barn now adays, but a barn in Rohan that is public would probably need to be a lot bigger...even if there were padlocks, which there will be. I will go ahead and expand the stables and mark in fences and the like.

Originally Posted by Groin

I think the stables, where they are, is perfect. The only suggestion that I would make is to have the Kitchen on the far top left corner of the hall. Would the kitchen be considered an eyesore?

Originally Posted by Legate

As for the kitchen, Groin, that is how it was placed my LMP already in the beginning, I think... I don't see any problem with it being where it is, anyway.

Yeah, that's why I put it where it is.

I'll see what else I can do before I must go to bed tonight.

-- Folwren

[Nienna]

I wasn't really sure how far to take that but now you all can add some things. Nog/Lommy if you think that Cnebba would do something different or if you feel like I misrepresented him at all feel free to let me know. And my resident editor (aka Fea) apparently went to bed right as I was sending her to read over so if there are any mistakes please let me know. Thanks!!