Saved by Naria? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mugwump · 12-01-2009, 08:58 PM

~ Naked I was sent back -- for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. ... I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. ... And so at the last Gwaihir the Windlord found me again, and he took me up and bore me away. ... "Do not let me fall!" I gasped, for I felt life in me again. "Bear me to Lothlorien!"
~ "That indeed is the command of the Lady Galadriel who sent me to look for you," he answered.

Pitchwife · 12-02-2009, 04:33 PM

From LotR Appendix B, The Tale of Years:

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February
14 The Mirror of Galadriel. Gandalf returns to life, and lies in a trance.
[...]
17 Gwaihir bears Gandalf to Lórien.

Three to four days naked on a mountain-top. In February. Even if we assume Gandalf was pretty robust, and had a new body that wasn't suffering from the injuries of fighting the Balrog, that's a feat. Alfirin has quite a point.

Mnemosyne · 12-02-2009, 04:46 PM

That, Alfirin, sounds like the makings of a beautiful fanfic*.

*Full disclosure: I am actively involved in the fanfic-writing part of the fandom and consider it a legitimate means of exploring canon, so there is no irony in that statement.

Eönwë · 12-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Well he could have just been like this man, but it is known that Gandalf could make fire (as in Caradhras). Whether it is him or Narya is another issue entirely.

Alfirin · 12-02-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Even if we assume Gandalf was pretty robust, and had a new body that wasn't suffering from the injuries of fighting the Balrog, that's a feat. Alfirin has quite a point.

In fact one of my points is that he proably didn't have a new body, just his old one, possibly somewhat repaired but still the same one. If the body was brand new, he wouldn't have Naria period, unless he went an retrived it from his old body (and if he did you'd think he would have stripped off whatever clothing (torn and ragged as it was) it had for warmth (anything would be better than nothing)

I'm not sure about the fanficm not that I have anything against fanfic (Heck I'm working on quite a few (non tolkein) myself) I do however think there is potential for a talented illstrator to get a good picture out of it, Gandalf, naked, huddled on the snowy mountainside dwarfed by the scenery, his hair and beard streing in the snowy wind curled around the hand with Naria, which is emitting a tiny red glow. A powerful image of Gandalf's mortal bodies frailty agains the awesome and uncaring power of nature. Powerful.

Mugwump · 12-02-2009, 08:10 PM

Remember, his body wasn't exactly human. He was one tough old bird!

And the Balrog's body may still have been exuding heat/fire. But even not, I don't think he was using his ring actively to do it. His owning it may have helped, though.

Inziladun · 12-02-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugwump

Remember, his body wasn't exactly human. He was one tough old bird!

From Gwaihir's comment about Gandalf being light enough to float to the earth after his return, I'd say you're right about Gandalf the White. But it's made plain that the bodies the Istari inhabited when they arrived in ME were nothing special.

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For with the consent of Eru, [The Valar] sent members of their own high order, but clad in bodies as of Men, real and not feigned, but subject to the fears and pains and weariness of earth, able to hunger and thirst and be slain....

UT The Istari

Valier · 12-02-2009, 09:28 PM

Sorry I had to do this...a little off the topic but isn't it spelt Narya? Not that it's a huge deal...
Just because Naria is a Downer that I know, the name Narya was taken so she picked Naria so when I saw the title of the thread I had a wee laugh...again sorry for the off topic comment.

Inziladun · 12-02-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Valier

Sorry I had to do this...a little off the topic but isn't it spelt Narya? Not that it's a huge deal...
Just because Naria is a Downer that I know, the name Narya was taken so she picked Naria so when I saw the title of the thread I had a wee laugh...again sorry for the off topic comment.

I wondered about that, then thought it might be a translation issue or something of that nature.

12-01-2009, 08:58 PM	#1
Mugwump Wight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Taconic Mountains Posts: 111	No, he flew. ~ Naked I was sent back -- for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. ... I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. ... And so at the last Gwaihir the Windlord found me again, and he took me up and bore me away. ... "Do not let me fall!" I gasped, for I felt life in me again. "Bear me to Lothlorien!" ~ "That indeed is the command of the Lady Galadriel who sent me to look for you," he answered.

12-02-2009, 04:46 PM	#3
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	That, Alfirin, sounds like the makings of a beautiful fanfic. Full disclosure: I am actively involved in the fanfic-writing part of the fandom and consider it a legitimate means of exploring canon, so there is no irony in that statement. __________________ Got corsets?

12-02-2009, 05:14 PM	#4
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Well he could have just been like this man, but it is known that Gandalf could make fire (as in Caradhras). Whether it is him or Narya is another issue entirely. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

12-02-2009, 09:28 PM	#8
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,706	Sorry I had to do this...a little off the topic but isn't it spelt Narya? Not that it's a huge deal... Just because Naria is a Downer that I know, the name Narya was taken so she picked Naria so when I saw the title of the thread I had a wee laugh...again sorry for the off topic comment. __________________ grand return?........

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12-02-2009, 08:10 PM	#6
Mugwump Wight Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Taconic Mountains Posts: 111	Remember, his body wasn't exactly human. He was one tough old bird! And the Balrog's body may still have been exuding heat/fire. But even not, I don't think he was using his ring actively to do it. His owning it may have helped, though.