WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Inziladun, eh? Makes sense, insofar as he was proven innocent by Mnemo's guilt. Here is a little note I typed soon as I saw Legate's post about Mnemo's wolvery.

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Green: probably innocent, voted Mnemo first.

Eomer: definitely innocent, put Mnemo in lead.

Lommy: definitely innocent, put Mnemo onto 3 votes.

Mac: possibly guilty, said he'd prefer Inzi over Mnemo a lot. Maybe too strong and incriminating for a wolf? Also, highly suspicious of Mnemo next day. PROBABLY INNOCENT.

Shasta: guilty? tried to save Mnemo

Nienna: guilty? ditto

Inzi: innocent, sacrificed to save Mnemo on first day and Mnemo also suspected him the day after, after he already had a lot of votes.

Nerwen: probably innocent, strongly against Mnemo on second day.

Pitch: innocent? voted for by Mnemo at start of day two.

Wilwa: guilty? when votes are 1 each for lots of people, wilwa defends Mnemo.

Nogrod: innocent? seems critical of Mnemo

Sally: guilty? also doesn't want to vote Mnemo

Nienna tried to save Mnemo again by killing Loslote. GUILTY


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I think the wolves are in cr-ice-is.

Don't think so, Eomer, and you're putting words in my mouth; I said I was perfectly happy with Mnemo getting killed, I just didn't have a preference between the top two lynchees. Oh, how I wish it was later; I'm still at work and have an enormous amount of stuff to do tonight, but I'll try to set aside some time to analyze some people. Case in point; Nienna and Eomer, among others.


So that's about all from me for right now. Get it?


EDIT: x'd since the post I quoted

[Nienna]

Eomer: I'm on your list twice... I assume you are doing Day One and Day Two votes (or the one's you think are important). I do regret on Day One voting to try and save Mnemo but I had no way to know she was a wolf and she hadn't been acting suspicious in my view. Mac was also more ahead of Mnemo and I was more concerned with saving him... though for all I know he could be a wolf too. On Day Two I voted for Lommy not for Lottie because Lommy looked the most suspicious of me. I did wonder where all the Lottie voting was coming from but I was not trying to save Mnemo.

I'm going to look at the Lottie voters because she was the closest thing the wolves had to save Mnemo. I'd bet that there are at least 2 wolves in her wagon.

Edit: x-ed

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I'm going to look at the Lottie voters because she was the closest thing the wolves had to save Mnemo. I'd bet that there are at least 2 wolves in her wagon.

But if Lottie is a wolf as well? It would have been an interestingly nightmarish situation for a wolf to be?

Actually, we should not dismiss that option either. I mean Lottie's vote yesterDay was weird and off...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Don't think so, Eomer, and you're putting words in my mouth; I said I was perfectly happy with Mnemo getting killed, I just didn't have a preference between the top two lynchees.

Actually, Sally, when Mnemo had 3 votes, and her nearest rival had 2 votes, you posted:

"So for what it's worth I'd really prefer Brinn or Lommie, but at the current rate I'd probably go for Lottie since it seems there's no chance of lynching Brinn (so far) and I'm convinced yet completely torn at the same time on the Lommie front."

(You posted at the exact same moment as Macalaure, who pushed Mnemo onto 4 votes) So not even mentioning Mnemo there, and listing 3 other suspects.

Mnemo then gets onto 5 votes, her fate looks close to sealed, and you claim that you'd be happy with either her or Loslote dying. You vote Loslote.

So, as I'm sure you'll understand, you do look pretty suspicious.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Apologies Nienna! You and Pitch are, of course, correct. I think I was confusing your vote with Sally's (too many white avatars on this site).

Sorry for the confusion. Now I need to see if this makes you less suspicious.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Innocent

Eomer of the Rohirrim
Pitchwife
Thinlómien
Nerwen
Greenie

Probably innocent

Nogrod
Macalaure

Unsure

Boromir88
Loslote
Morsul
Brinn
Bes
tromkehra

Split their skulls to see if evil lurks within?

sally
Shasta
wilwa
Nienna (but her last of all, because of my incorrect and highly impolite slight on her today )

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nog

but not taking sides at that point between the two only real candidates would look bad anyway...

That depends on your (or everybody's) personal Werewolf credo. I see your point, of course, but if somebody has no strong feelings or reasons for or against either of the top candidates, but a grounded suspicion against a third person, I think it's totally understandable and legitimate for them to follow their conscience and vote that person instead.

[Nogrod]

Okay. My "remaining eight" then (just their votes as I have not time for more right now).

In the order of their voting yesterDay...

Lottie - does not vote on D1, makes the odd vote for Lommy ("I suspect but don't have a reason", then refers two Lommy's posts and just votes her) on D2.

trom - does not vote on D1, but makes a decent argument for voting Boro (because he keeps saying the way he acts is not the way a Boro-wolf would act) on D2.

Brinn - votes Nerwen for bandwaggoning (ideas, not votes) on D1 and Lottie (because of her terrible vote on Lommy) on D2.

Boro - did not vote on D1, votes Inzil (because his case on D1 was "not only weak but faulty") on D2.

Shasta - votes Inzil on D1 (would have wished to vote for Eomer or me, did not want to vote Mnemo or Mac), on D2 votes Nerwen because of her last minute (late) vote for Mac that came out from nowhere (his points in #234 are worth a look).

Morsul - apart from quoting others in large chunks has had time to vote as well: makes the decentish vote for Mac (giving similar depictions but coming up with opposite judgements on people) on D1, on D2 votes Lottie because of her odd vote. And votes himself toDay I see...

Wilwa - did not vote on D1, votes Boro becasue he makes her uneasy (earlier refers to the same thing trom did *look above*) on D2.

Sally - votes Roa on D1 because she trusted my conviction, on D2 votes for Lottie for "acting shifty" - and clearly taking care her vote counts (eg. not voting for anyone on the top of her list).

[Pitchwife]

Of the Lottie-voters, I'd say Brinn looks the most innocent to me (it's probably obvious, but I thought I'd mention it anyway). I have the impression Lottie's been getting on Brinn's nerves ever since their first game together (when innocent Lottie tried to make a case against innocent Brinn based on some blatant word-twisting). Also, Brinn's vote for Lottie was the first at a time when there were plenty other contenders for the noose.
This is saying nothing for or against Lottie herself, of course.

[Pitchwife]

I'm working on morning shift tomorrow and have to get up early, so it's bedtime for me again. On the bright side, that means I'll come home in the early afternoon (GMT+1) and have oodles of time to participate and *ahem* hopefully post something that says anything and is worth posting at all before DL.

[Nogrod]

Heh, "Mr. Agreeable" hits again...

But just as a remainder. Even if I tend to agree with you that Brinn looks pretty good, one could also interpret her votes as the real-calculated ones. Being short of time and forced to vote early because of RL a wolf like Brinn would like to show up like a rational, case-based voter. Both votes she made are "rational" and argumented but also more or less easy to produce.

The problem of course is that an innocent Brinn would have probably acted the very same way.

So I'm not disagreeing with you (another Mr. Agreeable then? ), but it's not so obvious you let us understand...


Of the others in my 8.

Lottie's vote still looks bad. The problem is whether it's "evilly bad" or just sloppy innocent.

Boro's voting-history is terrible, but he has happily both confessed that and promised to show his qualities (dang, it was the younger bro...).

Morsul manages to confuse me 100-0.

trom's vote looks decent but I'd like to hear so much more from her.

Shasta and Sally don't look so bad some of you others are painting them... but hard to say. Then again I'm not at all easy with Wilwa.


And I just realised I have totally forgotten about Bes! He voted for Mac on D1... It would be good to hear from him as well more toDay.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I did wonder where all the Lottie voting was coming from

Me too. She didn't look too good yesterDay, but I remember seeing her play in a very similar way before when she was innocent; the first time around, I voted her for it and have since been wary to make the same mistake again.
I'd still very much appreciate her to improve somewhat toDay.

[Morsul the Dark]

I just realized I won't be available tomorrow at all so I have to vote now but it's not really fair to vote for anyone without more information so avoid being ModFired

++Morsul

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I just realized I won't be available tomorrow at all so I have to vote now but it's not really fair to vote for anyone without more information so avoid being ModFired

++Morsul

I don't think missing one vote will get you modfired, Morsul, just FYI.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't think missing one vote will get you modfired, Morsul, just FYI.

Yes but on day 3...4 th next day I can't vote so I'd be missing two votes I panicked about getting modfired for missing two votes... my show ended earlier than I thought...

[Morsul the Dark]

For the record I still would have voted tonight so the reasonings still would have been bad I voted myself because it's a neutral vote..