WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nienna · 12-03-2009, 08:00 PM

Nerwen:

Day One:

34. Isn’t much the village can do to prevent lynching gifteds, wonders if Boro is saying that we shouldn’t lynch suspicious people.

56. Vs. Boro on Reasonableness

One interesting quote that sticks out “Wolves try all kinds of tactics” … it doesn’t necessarily say innocent nor does it say guilty but it is interesting.

72. Argues with Nog about Roa’s “slip”

It would have been easy for a wolf to jump onto the slip to frame an innocent Roa … but she could also not want to be caught trying to frame Roa if she turned out innocent.

87. More vs. Boro

181. Votes Mac “for dodgy reasoning” (late).

This concerns me… maybe because she admits that it is not even bad reasoning but ‘dodgy’.

Day Two

216. Doesn’t want to assume that since Mac and Zil didn’t reveal when they were about to be lynched that they aren’t gifteds.

238. Thinks she knows what Nog’s meta-reasoning is but she isn’t sure

This could be after a nice chat with fellow wolves about what Nog was talking about.

246. Wonders why Lottie voted Lommy

253. Doesn’t like Mnemo’s argument against Zil

Wolf-on-wolf? Possible.

266. Defends herself

268. Looks at people who agreed with Nog against Roa and found only Boro and Eomer but thought Boro looked okay and not enough to go on Eomer, find’s Mnemo starting to look very sinister.

I’m not sure if a fellow would necessarily point out a sinister looking Mnemo… but it is possible

277. Quotes Mnemo saying she is a wolf, gives more reasons for not liking Mnemo

I’m thinking that a wolf-Nerwen wouldn’t directly quote a wolf-Mnemo saying she’s a wolf… so I’m thinking better of Nerwen… I could be wrong though…

293. Sally/Mnemo switcheroo theory.

Strange…

301. Votes Mnemo but adds that she isn’t really sure about it.

Summary: I’m feeling better about Nerwen after having looked at her. She could be a tricksy wolf but it doesn’t feel like it to me.

Loslote · 12-03-2009, 08:08 PM

Sorry about yesterDay. I had planned to look at all of her posts, but I hadn't even finished her first when I had to go. I barely managed to finish that one. In hindsight, I probably should have just dropped that Post 1 analysis, but...

Loslote · 12-03-2009, 08:39 PM

Looking at people:

Boro is fairly logical and makes sense most of the time, but I can't quite get a reading on him.

Eomer I have no idea about, but probably innocent.

I don't think Morsul is a wolf, but I can't say with anything like certainty that he's an ordo.

I think Brinn's innocent...we just get on each other's nerves...

Pitchie seems innocent, maybe too much so? I'm not too worried about him right now, though.

Nienna seems good. She's one of the ones I feel most confident about...not that that's very confident...

Something still feels off about Nogrod, but I can't put my finger on it.

I thought Mac looked good yesterday, and I think so even more now. When he mentioned that we wouldn't learn too much from my role if I died, and more from Mnemo's - that seemed ordoish.

I don't know what to think about sally. She doesn't jump out as a wolf, but she's done some things that make me think.

Lommy, as you may have noticed, definitely looks furry to me. I still have no proof or reasoning, so I'll probably ease back on that one.

Nerwen looks genuine.

Bes still looks suspicious to me. He is a newbie, so I'm not looking very hard at him yet, but I do think he could easily be a wolf.

Shasta could go either way for me.

Wilwa looks suspicious, but she's not at the top of my list.

Greenie I'm not sure about.

So, Suspicious:
Bes, Lommy, and Nog still look the worst to me.

Slightly suspicious:
Wilwa, sally, and maybe Pitchie.

Unsure:
Shasta, Greenie, Morsul

Leaning innocent:
Brinn, Boro, Eomer

Probably innocent:
Nerwen, Nienna, Mac.

EDIT: xed with wilwa and Mac

Loslote · 12-03-2009, 09:10 PM

Oh, and just to get this out of the way, because I know it's going to come up...

Don't lynch me toDay, because I am the Secret Role. I am a limited seer. I have only one dream, on Night Four - aka, toNight.

I don't know how much longer I'll have online, but I should be able to get on later. Hopefully. Until then, have fun being chaotic.

Nienna · 12-03-2009, 09:28 PM

Ok kids we need to find some new suspects because I'm not a wolf and I'm pretty sure Sally isn't a wolf... and since I think it is safe to assume for the moment that Lottie isn't a wolf... new suspects need to be brought forward. I'd also appreciate some reasoning behind why people seem to find me very suspicious and willing to kill just to see if I'm evil. *Waits patiently to be analyzed*

I'd love to hear more from Lommy. I do not agree with Mac that her two decisive votes for Mnemo make her look super innocent. Her behavior has still been a bit strange and her votes could easily have been wolf-on-wolf.

Loslote · 12-03-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nienna

Ok kids we need to find some new suspects because I'm not a wolf and I'm pretty sure Sally isn't a wolf... and since I think it is safe to assume for the moment that Lottie isn't a wolf... new suspects need to be brought forward.

Not again...

For a new suspect: How about Bes? The more I look at him, the more uneasy I get, but I don't have time to analyze him right now. I've only got fifteen minutes or so before I've got to go...

Loslote · 12-03-2009, 10:05 PM

Oh, well. Looking at Bes:

Post 1: IC banter, comments on the Boro issue, suggests no one votes Day 1.

Post 2: Backs off when Roa and Mnemo veto the 'no voting' suggestion.

Post 3: IC banter, says he's going to sleep.

Post 4: Says he's reading up and waiting for Legate to answer a question on the rules.

Post 5: Backpedals on the Boro issue; says he doesn't know what to think about Nog and Roa; votes Mac because Inzil's arguments looked best.

Post 6: Apologizes for his hasty Mac vote earlier; promises to be more careful.

Post 7: Summarizes Mac's posts; says Pitchie looked just as suspicious

Post 8: Says he won't be voting; promises to post more on Day 3 if he's still here.

He hasn't come on again, but when you look at him, he never really says anything...might just be newbieness, might be wolfishness. As he's my top suspect,

++Bes

So sorry if you're innocent...

Brinniel · 12-03-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I have the impression Lottie's been getting on Brinn's nerves ever since their first game together (when innocent Lottie tried to make a case against innocent Brinn based on some blatant word-twisting). Also, Brinn's vote for Lottie was the first at a time when there were plenty other contenders for the noose.

Heh, I didn't even remember that until you mentioned it...and even then it's still blurry. But really, I don't have any harsh feelings against Loslote; I simply found her actions yesterDay to be suspicious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer

Green: probably innocent, voted Mnemo first.

Eomer: definitely innocent, put Mnemo in lead.

Lommy: definitely innocent, put Mnemo onto 3 votes.

Mac: possibly guilty, said he'd prefer Inzi over Mnemo a lot. Maybe too strong and incriminating for a wolf? Also, highly suspicious of Mnemo next day. PROBABLY INNOCENT.

Shasta: guilty? tried to save Mnemo

Nienna: guilty? ditto

Inzi: innocent, sacrificed to save Mnemo on first day and Mnemo also suspected him the day after, after he already had a lot of votes.

Nerwen: probably innocent, strongly against Mnemo on second day.

Pitch: innocent? voted for by Mnemo at start of day two.

Wilwa: guilty? when votes are 1 each for lots of people, wilwa defends Mnemo.

Nogrod: innocent? seems critical of Mnemo

Sally: guilty? also doesn't want to vote Mnemo

Nienna tried to save Mnemo again by killing Loslote. GUILTY

So apparently Eomer has come to the conclusion that everyone who voted Mnemo is innocent and those who tried to save her are probably guilty. That is a horrible assumption to make. While those who weren't convinced of Mnemo's guilt may look more suspicious, that doesn't necessarily mean they are. And with seven votes for Mnemo, I think it could be very likely that at least one is wolf-on-wolf. There are players among the Mnemo voters who are risk-takers and would probably be perfectly okay with sacrificing a wolf to make them look better.

Btw, I'm slightly concerned about this jump on Nienna. Yes, she tried to save Mnemo twice, but that doesn't make her automatically guilty. I've seen plenty of innocents get lynched in the past for this reason and because of that, the wolves could easily set Nienna up to be toDay's lynch, so let's not jump to conclusions. Of course now that I've said this, she'll probably turn out to be a wolf after all.

But unless she does something majorly suspicious toDay, I doubt I'll vote her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Don't lynch me toDay, because I am the Secret Role. I am a limited seer. I have only one dream, on Night Four - aka, toNight.

Hmm...I'm not convinced. The problem with the secret role is that it's so much easier for a baddie to get away with a fake reveal since we don't know what the role is. One dream for the entire game? A limited seer is certainly possible, though I honestly expected more from a secret role.

While I'm still not sure whether to believe Loslote's claim, I will give her the benefit of the doubt for toDay and see what dream she comes up with toMorrow. It'd be pretty silly to lynch her now with the chance that she is telling the truth. I wonder if there'll be a counter reveal...

Bes · 12-03-2009, 11:09 PM

I can't fault Lottie's reasons for suspecting me, she makes valid points. I mean, I can sit here and explain why I haven't been active all day, but you guys don't know me to be sure whether or not I'm being sincere (By the by, called in to work today unexpectedly. I was expecting to be available to play from 4PM to 8PM EST, but it didn't happen that way. One of the other employees sprung a doctor's appointment on the supervisor as a surprise.

)

I am surprised by her reveal, though. I mean, very surprised. Bear with me: If she's telling the truth, then she's put herself in a perfect position to get night killed, and (if I understand how it works properly) be prevented from ever revealing her dream. Waiting until tomorrow to reveal and telling everyone what she dreamed would have easily prevented that, and I don't think the suspicion against her is sufficient at the moment for lynching to be a big concern for her. Which makes me think that this is a false reveal by a nervous wolf, following up an easy vote on someone that's been stumbling over his own feet through the game so far.

I dunno, other people's thoughts? Also, I'm a slow typist, so I expect to cross with a few people.

Edit: Really? Huh, no I didn't. But I am reminded: Brinn is convinced by this reveal awfully quickly...

Boromir88 · 12-03-2009, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nienna

Ok kids we need to find some new suspects because I'm not a wolf and I'm pretty sure Sally isn't a wolf... and since I think it is safe to assume for the moment that Lottie isn't a wolf... new suspects need to be brought forward. I'd also appreciate some reasoning behind why people seem to find me very suspicious and willing to kill just to see if I'm evil. *Waits patiently to be analyzed*

Well now you can't expect us to just sit here and be hunky-dory about those who defended Mnemo and voted in an attempt to save her. You are under suspicion for strong and understandable reasons.

However, as I said before, I think votes can be craftily manipulated by the wolves. And since Mnemo had 3-votes on Day 1 I'm putting more stock into the wolf-on-wolf than Eomer is. That still doesn't change the fact that several people defended her, and several more didn't have much to say about her, so Eomer is being 100% understandable in his focus on those who defended Mnemo.

Taking other stuff into consideration, aside from the voting, I think you look pretty good Nienna. Your consistant efforts against Lommy make you look more innocent than others who defended Mnemo. Lommy is a tough lynch, and I would think any wolves who were trying some sort of effort to save Mnemo would try to turn the focus on someone who was under more suspicion/an easier lynch.

I will just tell you though, I have no idea what you're seeing that is suspicious with Lommy. I may be putting too much stock in judging people based on feelings and words, but Lommy said she was "detached." A wolf doesn't say that, plain and simple. A wolf is excited to be a wolf, they may not be a loud/active player, but there still is a certain level of excitement, and involvement, about having the role.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

So apparently Eomer has come to the conclusion that everyone who voted Mnemo is innocent and those who tried to save her are probably guilty. That is a horrible assumption to make. While those who weren't convinced of Mnemo's guilt may look more suspicious, that doesn't necessarily mean they are. And with seven votes for Mnemo, I think it could be very likely that at least one is wolf-on-wolf. There are players among the Mnemo voters who are risk-takers and would probably be perfectly okay with sacrificing a wolf to make them look better.

Eomer is pretty much saying that, but that's still an exaggeration. It's like when people thought I was saying we should lynch all the reasonable players. Eomer isn't saying lynch everyone who defended/voted to save Mnemo, because there just aren't that many wolves. But he is rightfully pointing attention to the sizeable group of people who did something to defend Mnemo. Anyone in that group could be a wolf and it's only right they all should come under suspicion for it.

Edit: crossed with Brinn

Nogrod · 12-04-2009, 07:38 AM

Some random notes while reading myself up to date...

Mac, do you see a pattern: almost anyone who votes you or suspects you is suspicious to you? You should know better...

Even if it is possible Nienna and Lottie are both innocents (or that Lottie has that secret role) I still don't like what they do. First Nienna makes a careful whitewashing of Lottie - I mean not open or straightforward but kind of discreet one and calling for new suspects immediately after the "reveal", then Lottie says this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Nienna seems good. She's one of the ones I feel most confident about...not that that's very confident...

I just feel bad about this.

And Lottie's list of suspiciouns and trust seems to basically run counter to mine so I naturally look at her with suspicious mind... Not to say that her vote doesn't look very good either. She appears to pull Bes out from a hat and makes a hasty last fifteen minute analysis. Not good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Btw, I'm slightly concerned about this jump on Nienna. Yes, she tried to save Mnemo twice, but that doesn't make her automatically guilty. I've seen plenty of innocents get lynched in the past for this reason and because of that, the wolves could easily set Nienna up to be toDay's lynch, so let's not jump to conclusions.

How do the wolves set up her if she herself makes the votes? Or how do they do that because "plenty of innocents have been lynched that way"?

I don't think Nienna is "automatically guilty" or assume that those voting for Mnemo are obviously innocent. And I'm not sure anyone does that (I see Eomer cleared that up already...). So why do you Brinn wish to make it look like people thought like that?

Quote:

Hmm...I'm not convinced. The problem with the secret role is that it's so much easier for a baddie to get away with a fake reveal since we don't know what the role is. One dream for the entire game? A limited seer is certainly possible, though I honestly expected more from a secret role.

Exactly my thoughts as well. And the problem is we have no way of confirming or disproving whatever she says toMorrow leaving us with the worst scenario two wolves as "revealed innocents" (herself and whoever she reveals) - and by drawing the ranger to protect her the next Night she'd give the wolves a free kill the next Night... well that is if she is a wolf.

It might be something clever wolves could have planned last Night even though I'm the first one to take that kind of rthings with a pinch of salt: we oftentimes imagine wolves making much grander plans they actually do. But anyway.

Quote:

While I'm still not sure whether to believe Loslote's claim, I will give her the benefit of the doubt for toDay and see what dream she comes up with toMorrow. It'd be pretty silly to lynch her now with the chance that she is telling the truth. I wonder if there'll be a counter reveal...

Without a counter-reveal I think we have no other chance... But the problem is that if the other role is cobbler-like or in anyway evil-leaning there will be none - and if it is a strong role for good there will be none either...

I'm not suggesting lynching Lottie toDay unless some serious counter-reveals emerge, but I'm really quite confused and untrusting of her right now.

Nooo, there are so long new ones... just a moment.

Macalaure · 12-03-2009, 08:24 PM

I don't seem to be able to think today, so I won't contribute much now. Just a list of my current impressions, taking our newly-acquired knowledge into consideration. From good to bad:

Lommy - two crucial votes for Mnemo. Unless the wolves are really twisted, she's none.

Greenie - one early and one crucial votes for Mnemo, plus tons of sense in her posts. Innocent.

Eomer - two votes for Mnemo, though the second one was very late. Pretty innocent.

Nerwen - bad vote on D1, good vote on D2. I'm pretty confident of her innocence now.

Boro - a no vote and a first vote for someone with little support. His record isn't pretty, but I still feel good about him.

Pitch - difficult one. Tied me with Mnemo on D1 and voted Mnemo in fifth place, while everyone else had 2 or less (high wolf-on-wolf probability). Mnemo goes after him and votes him, too, which would make this a double wolf-on-wolf, whew. Sketchy situation that is cleared in Pitch's favour by the wolves killing Inzil, Mnemo's other main suspect. Safe to say, I think, that the wolves would not have chosen him if Pitch was one of them.

Morsul - he tied Lottie with Mnemo, which is bad. Other than that, I don't find much fault with him.

Lottie - can't say much. Confused, but I don't think maliciously so.

Brinn - first vote for Lottie, a promising bandwaggon after her strange behaviour. If I was a co-wolf of Mnemo and looking for a subtle way to save her (since it was obvious she would be in trouble), this would be a good way. Brinn continues to be a big question mark for me.

Bes - tied me with Mnemo on D1, then a no-vote. Deserves scrutiny.

Wilwa - first a no-vote, and then she tied Boro with the rest. Worth a careful look.

Nogrod - kept himself out of the fray with his vote for Roa on D2, voted Mnemo when it was clear that she would be gone eventually anyway. Nogrod isn't known to be scrupulous about his mates, especially when they're in danger.

Shasta - voted Inzil to save Mnemo (and not me)? Threw away vote on D2. Suspicious, which is annoying because I had faith in him so far.

Nienna - voted Inzil to save Mnemo (and not me)? Threw away vote on D2. Suspicious.

Sally - threw away her vote on D1 and made Lottie's waggon competitive again on D2 (very quickly after Inzil made it seem possible again). Very bad.

12-03-2009, 08:00 PM	#1
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	Nerwen: Day One: 34. Isn’t much the village can do to prevent lynching gifteds, wonders if Boro is saying that we shouldn’t lynch suspicious people. 56. Vs. Boro on Reasonableness One interesting quote that sticks out “Wolves try all kinds of tactics” … it doesn’t necessarily say innocent nor does it say guilty but it is interesting. 72. Argues with Nog about Roa’s “slip” It would have been easy for a wolf to jump onto the slip to frame an innocent Roa … but she could also not want to be caught trying to frame Roa if she turned out innocent. 87. More vs. Boro 181. Votes Mac “for dodgy reasoning” (late). This concerns me… maybe because she admits that it is not even bad reasoning but ‘dodgy’. Day Two 216. Doesn’t want to assume that since Mac and Zil didn’t reveal when they were about to be lynched that they aren’t gifteds. 238. Thinks she knows what Nog’s meta-reasoning is but she isn’t sure This could be after a nice chat with fellow wolves about what Nog was talking about. 246. Wonders why Lottie voted Lommy 253. Doesn’t like Mnemo’s argument against Zil Wolf-on-wolf? Possible. 266. Defends herself 268. Looks at people who agreed with Nog against Roa and found only Boro and Eomer but thought Boro looked okay and not enough to go on Eomer, find’s Mnemo starting to look very sinister. I’m not sure if a fellow would necessarily point out a sinister looking Mnemo… but it is possible 277. Quotes Mnemo saying she is a wolf, gives more reasons for not liking Mnemo I’m thinking that a wolf-Nerwen wouldn’t directly quote a wolf-Mnemo saying she’s a wolf… so I’m thinking better of Nerwen… I could be wrong though… 293. Sally/Mnemo switcheroo theory. Strange… 301. Votes Mnemo but adds that she isn’t really sure about it. Summary: I’m feeling better about Nerwen after having looked at her. She could be a tricksy wolf but it doesn’t feel like it to me. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

12-03-2009, 08:08 PM	#2
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Sorry about yesterDay. I had planned to look at all of her posts, but I hadn't even finished her first when I had to go. I barely managed to finish that one. In hindsight, I probably should have just dropped that Post 1 analysis, but... __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

12-03-2009, 08:39 PM	#3
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Looking at people: Boro is fairly logical and makes sense most of the time, but I can't quite get a reading on him. Eomer I have no idea about, but probably innocent. I don't think Morsul is a wolf, but I can't say with anything like certainty that he's an ordo. I think Brinn's innocent...we just get on each other's nerves... Pitchie seems innocent, maybe too much so? I'm not too worried about him right now, though. Nienna seems good. She's one of the ones I feel most confident about...not that that's very confident... Something still feels off about Nogrod, but I can't put my finger on it. I thought Mac looked good yesterday, and I think so even more now. When he mentioned that we wouldn't learn too much from my role if I died, and more from Mnemo's - that seemed ordoish. I don't know what to think about sally. She doesn't jump out as a wolf, but she's done some things that make me think. Lommy, as you may have noticed, definitely looks furry to me. I still have no proof or reasoning, so I'll probably ease back on that one. Nerwen looks genuine. Bes still looks suspicious to me. He is a newbie, so I'm not looking very hard at him yet, but I do think he could easily be a wolf. Shasta could go either way for me. Wilwa looks suspicious, but she's not at the top of my list. Greenie I'm not sure about. So, Suspicious: Bes, Lommy, and Nog still look the worst to me. Slightly suspicious: Wilwa, sally, and maybe Pitchie. Unsure: Shasta, Greenie, Morsul Leaning innocent: Brinn, Boro, Eomer Probably innocent: Nerwen, Nienna, Mac. EDIT: xed with wilwa and Mac __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

12-03-2009, 09:10 PM	#4
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Oh, and just to get this out of the way, because I know it's going to come up... Don't lynch me toDay, because I am the Secret Role. I am a limited seer. I have only one dream, on Night Four - aka, toNight. I don't know how much longer I'll have online, but I should be able to get on later. Hopefully. Until then, have fun being chaotic. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

12-03-2009, 09:28 PM	#5
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	Ok kids we need to find some new suspects because I'm not a wolf and I'm pretty sure Sally isn't a wolf... and since I think it is safe to assume for the moment that Lottie isn't a wolf... new suspects need to be brought forward. I'd also appreciate some reasoning behind why people seem to find me very suspicious and willing to kill just to see if I'm evil. Waits patiently to be analyzed I'd love to hear more from Lommy. I do not agree with Mac that her two decisive votes for Mnemo make her look super innocent. Her behavior has still been a bit strange and her votes could easily have been wolf-on-wolf. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

12-03-2009, 10:05 PM	#7
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Oh, well. Looking at Bes: Post 1: IC banter, comments on the Boro issue, suggests no one votes Day 1. Post 2: Backs off when Roa and Mnemo veto the 'no voting' suggestion. Post 3: IC banter, says he's going to sleep. Post 4: Says he's reading up and waiting for Legate to answer a question on the rules. Post 5: Backpedals on the Boro issue; says he doesn't know what to think about Nog and Roa; votes Mac because Inzil's arguments looked best. Post 6: Apologizes for his hasty Mac vote earlier; promises to be more careful. Post 7: Summarizes Mac's posts; says Pitchie looked just as suspicious Post 8: Says he won't be voting; promises to post more on Day 3 if he's still here. He hasn't come on again, but when you look at him, he never really says anything...might just be newbieness, might be wolfishness. As he's my top suspect, ++Bes So sorry if you're innocent... __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

12-03-2009, 11:09 PM	#9
Bes Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 42	I can't fault Lottie's reasons for suspecting me, she makes valid points. I mean, I can sit here and explain why I haven't been active all day, but you guys don't know me to be sure whether or not I'm being sincere (By the by, called in to work today unexpectedly. I was expecting to be available to play from 4PM to 8PM EST, but it didn't happen that way. One of the other employees sprung a doctor's appointment on the supervisor as a surprise. ) I am surprised by her reveal, though. I mean, very surprised. Bear with me: If she's telling the truth, then she's put herself in a perfect position to get night killed, and (if I understand how it works properly) be prevented from ever revealing her dream. Waiting until tomorrow to reveal and telling everyone what she dreamed would have easily prevented that, and I don't think the suspicion against her is sufficient at the moment for lynching to be a big concern for her. Which makes me think that this is a false reveal by a nervous wolf, following up an easy vote on someone that's been stumbling over his own feet through the game so far. I dunno, other people's thoughts? Also, I'm a slow typist, so I expect to cross with a few people. Edit: Really? Huh, no I didn't. But I am reminded: Brinn is convinced by this reveal awfully quickly...

12-03-2009, 08:24 PM	#12
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I don't seem to be able to think today, so I won't contribute much now. Just a list of my current impressions, taking our newly-acquired knowledge into consideration. From good to bad: Lommy - two crucial votes for Mnemo. Unless the wolves are really twisted, she's none. Greenie - one early and one crucial votes for Mnemo, plus tons of sense in her posts. Innocent. Eomer - two votes for Mnemo, though the second one was very late. Pretty innocent. Nerwen - bad vote on D1, good vote on D2. I'm pretty confident of her innocence now. Boro - a no vote and a first vote for someone with little support. His record isn't pretty, but I still feel good about him. Pitch - difficult one. Tied me with Mnemo on D1 and voted Mnemo in fifth place, while everyone else had 2 or less (high wolf-on-wolf probability). Mnemo goes after him and votes him, too, which would make this a double wolf-on-wolf, whew. Sketchy situation that is cleared in Pitch's favour by the wolves killing Inzil, Mnemo's other main suspect. Safe to say, I think, that the wolves would not have chosen him if Pitch was one of them. Morsul - he tied Lottie with Mnemo, which is bad. Other than that, I don't find much fault with him. Lottie - can't say much. Confused, but I don't think maliciously so. Brinn - first vote for Lottie, a promising bandwaggon after her strange behaviour. If I was a co-wolf of Mnemo and looking for a subtle way to save her (since it was obvious she would be in trouble), this would be a good way. Brinn continues to be a big question mark for me. Bes - tied me with Mnemo on D1, then a no-vote. Deserves scrutiny. Wilwa - first a no-vote, and then she tied Boro with the rest. Worth a careful look. Nogrod - kept himself out of the fray with his vote for Roa on D2, voted Mnemo when it was clear that she would be gone eventually anyway. Nogrod isn't known to be scrupulous about his mates, especially when they're in danger. Shasta - voted Inzil to save Mnemo (and not me)? Threw away vote on D2. Suspicious, which is annoying because I had faith in him so far. Nienna - voted Inzil to save Mnemo (and not me)? Threw away vote on D2. Suspicious. Sally - threw away her vote on D1 and made Lottie's waggon competitive again on D2 (very quickly after Inzil made it seem possible again). Very bad.

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