WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Loslote]

Ah, this time I actually managed to finish a Lommy analysis. Here we go:

Post 1: Summary. I've already looked at this post, so I'm not going to spend much time on it.

Post 2: Suggests the possibility of a Nog-Roa collaboration.

Post 3: Wonders more about the Nog-Roa collaboration; says that they wouldn't attack each other on flimsy reasoning if they were both innocent. (Um, Lommy, have you ever seen Roa and Nog not attack each other as ordos? It's almost traditional.) Suspects Nog, Roa, Nienna, and Mnemo.

Post 4: Says that she still thinks the Nog-Roa thing was staged; says she won't vote them because that seems too drastic. Says she might vote Nienna or Mnemo instead, but she doesn't have much reason.

Post 5: Doesn't want to vote Mnemo because Eomer's vote for her looks bandwaggonish; thinks Nog is panicing; suspects Nienna.

Post 6: Complains about the time.

Post 7: Says a vote for Nienna would be 'throwaway'; deliberates between Nog and Mnemo.

Post 8: Says Mac's last post was suspicious.

Post 9: Says Inzil doesn't seem too bad; votes Mnemo. (Wolf on wolf?...might be pushing it.)

Post 10: Says Mnemo looks worse than Inzil or Mac; says the rest of the Day (two minutes at this point) would be chaotic.

Post 11: Asks about the 4-4 tie; apoligizes for xing with Mr. Mod.

Post 12: Thinks Mac is innocent; thinks Shasta and Nienna look bad; thinks Inzil looks good; thinks Mnemo looks badish; grumps about the no-kill situation; says Roa leaving might be good because we have a definite ordo who was in the thick of arguments; thinks Nog looks suspicious; asks for someone to accuse her so she can get into the game;

(This could be wolvish, sort of a "Oh, I'm not that interested in the game, I must be a ordo, and have no role, which is why I can't get involved!" thing.)

doesn't know what to think of me; reiterates that she feels uninvolved.

Post 13: Thinks sally's innocent but Mnemo's not; thinks Morsul is innocent; thinks Boro's innocent.

Post 14: Mostly banter; says that wolves "don't suspect" the most people.

Post 15: Says 'someone' is jumpy, then says she xed with 'everybody, so I don't know who she was refering to. Lommy, care to explain?

Post 16: Banter with Mnemo.

Post 17: Doesn't want to lynch herself, Boro, me, or Inzil; wouldn't be sorry to lynch Pitchie or Mnemo.

Post 18: Votes Mnemo.

Post 19: Here she switches her positions entirely. Suddenly she's suspicious of Mac, but not of Nog or Mnemo. Where'd that come from?

Post 20: Says she'll be around; says she wouldn't mind if I were lynched but wouldn't be surprised if I were innocent; thinks Wilwa's innocent.

Post 21: Thinks Wilwa is slightly creepy; thinks Boro's innocent.

Post 22: Says Mac and Shasta have good points; notes that Mnemo's in the lead.

Post 23: Doesn't have time to reread; thought I was guilty and is confused by my reveal; thinks Nienna's voting might be wolfish; thinks Morsul's self-vote is weird, but makes sense by his logic and is not wolfish; says she didn't suspect Mnemo much on Day 1; suspects Nienna, Sally, and Shasta most.

Post 24: Doesn't suspect: herself, Greenie, Boro, me, Pitchie, Nerwen, Bes, and Morsul; Suspects: Eomer, Sally, Nienna, Mac, Shasta, Wilwa, Brinn, and Nog.

Post 25: Doesn't think that Sally's jump on Wilwa was bad, but thinks she's desperate to avoid lynching.

Post 26: Asks what was wrong about 'cathegories'.

Post 27: Thinks Shasta isn't on enough and spends too much of his time defending himself rather than wolf-hunting; thinks Brinn might be a wolf and Nienna innocent.

Post 28: Banter about the 'cathegory' thing; thinks Sally's trying to hard to be nice.

Post 29: Thinks Shasta's last minute list was suspicious, but the list itself was fine; votes Nienna because she (Nienna) was the best off the candidates, but she (Lommy) wouldn't mind if Wilwa died instead.

Post 30: Banter about the voting tie.

Post 31: Admits that Nienna was probably innocent after her death is assured; she seems to have gotten this from the fact that Nienna was, in fact, lynched? I'm not following that one...

All in all, I do think Lommy's probably another wolf, and I'm still suspicious of Bes, but I"m not going to analyze him again.

[satansaloser2005]

*has an idea but doesn't think it will be received very well*

First of all....Lottie, you only get one dream, correct? Did I understand that right?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by sally

*has an idea but doesn't think it will be received very well*

First of all....Lottie, you only get one dream, correct? Did I understand that right?

Yes, that's right. What's the idea? And why do I get the feeling I shouldn't have asked?

EDIT: xed with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Yes, that's right. What's the idea? And why do I get the feeling I shouldn't have asked?

Because it's insane, that's why. But it won't leave my brain so it must be posted. And a note in advance: If you're short on time skip this post and come back to it later. I had to get this plan/theory off my chest but I know there's far too many variables so we can discuss it later if we think it's viable. Basically if you're in a rush this isn't the most important thing for you to read.


Now, on with the plan. We've got a hunter who is able to take a wolf with them when they die, right? Right.

Originally Posted by the rules

1 Hunter – she stands with the innocents, and at any point of the game, she can choose people whom she is going to watch and take with her in case she dies. That effectively means that the Hunter will send me a list of three or less names (maximally up to the number of living Werewolves in game), and if she is killed during the Night and there is a Werewolf on the list, the Werewolf who is first on the list will die alongside her; otherwise, nothing happens. If the Hunter is lynched and there is a Werewolf on the list, the Werewolf who is the first on the list will die alongside her; otherwise, the first person who is on the list will die alongside her. The Hunter can change her list at any point, however, in case of her death, I am of course taking into account only the list I had in my disposition before the deadline of the current Day/Night (i.e. for example if the Hunter is lynched, then Night comes, and she sends me another list after she died, I am not going to take it into account). The Ranger and Hunter know each other's identities and can PM each other during the Night.

Okay. So. Let's assume (for kicks let's use Mithalwen....not only because it allows us to be completely meta and hypothetical but I want to see her search herself and wonder what's going on) Mith is pretty sure Lottie is telling the truth. Therefore Pitchie is her main suspect. She would then put Pitch on her list just in case the Day goes awry in some way. So there's a wolf down, assuming that either Pitch is first on her list or that the other people on her list are not wolves. Basically if our hunter is mis-lynched (let's hope not) or Night killed the known wolf will go down with them. This could leave us free to lynch another suspect toDay and see what we can make of other ties, perhaps allowing us to end the wolf threat (and thus win the game, of course) sooner. Mith could stay in hiding that way and we would be able to have an automatic wolf down when she dies. Of course if she stays alive long enough and/or we decide it's getting too close for us we can kill Pitch then and Mith can choose new target(s), but that allows us to circumvent Game!End angst by having a known wolf to lynch and also affords us the possibility of a known wolf who would be more or less powerless. We ignore everything Pitch says, and as long as we ensure our lynches are orchestrated properly he can't cause too much trouble. Consider him a PoW.

Of course I know there's problems with this, not the least of all being that without lynching Pitch we can't validate Lottie's claim. But in theory it would be good, because we'd incapacitate a wolf and be able to rely on our logic still rather than just accepting freebies from our seer (which isn't bad, but not nearly as fun in my opinion).

Whew. I feel better now. Sorry I wasted so much time on that but it refused to go away. Now on to analyze/re-read and catch up. *sighs, gets to work*

[Loslote]

Intriguing idea. There is the problem that you guys can't verify what I say, then, until I die, but it might work. Of course, my supporting "the plan" could easily be taken as a wolf realizing what a tight spot I was in and seeing a good way to avoid it, so I'm not going to try to push it, but if everyone else wants to, I'd be willing to go along...or would be, if I hadn't already voted.

And, okay, 2/3 makes sense.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Intriguing idea. There is the problem that you guys can't verify what I say, then, until I die, but it might work. Of course, my supporting "the plan" could easily be taken as a wolf realizing what a tight spot I was in and seeing a good way to avoid it, so I'm not going to try to push it, but if everyone else wants to, I'd be willing to go along...or would be, if I hadn't already voted.

And, okay, 2/3 makes sense.

Yeah, I thought of it after I'd voted as well. Of course we could still pull it off if we coordinate our efforts but there is the question of whether we can trust you.


Now if we'd known there was a seer you'd be trusted and protected yadda yadda and the plan would work perfectly but unfortunately in this situation, not so much.

[Loslote]

If it helps, Legate called the role the ,,birthday dreamer'' (with the funny commas and everything) and I was forbidden to reveal on Day 1.

[Thinlómien]

Reading and commenting at the same time...

Loslote, please, next time you interpret my posts in an obscure way, can you put the numbers of the posts there so that I can find them and explain? I'm very annoyed at my computer and a radio channel called Groove FM and the last thing I need is a wishy washy case on me which I can't even defend myself against because it is unclearly presented. /end rant

Ok sorry but that really irked me. Now off to actually reply the stuff which I feel I should reply to or where I feel you were misrepresenting me:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 19: Here she switches her positions entirely. Suddenly she's suspicious of Mac, but not of Nog or Mnemo. Where'd that come from?

Originally Posted by me

Mac is getting weird and jumpy. (Ha! Fourth jumpy wolf!) Nog, on the other hand, seems more reasonable.

Only the fact that Mnemo is gathering more and more suspicion is making me doubtful: like I've been telling people who never listen to me (:P), if someone who is not shouting a wolf is lynched with too much of a consensus s/he's probably an innocent.

=> representation doesn't really do justice to me. Mac's and Nog's behaviour changed a bit, so I notified it, but it doesn't mean I changed my mind about them. And I certainly was still suspicious of Mnemo, just slightly worried because so many others were feeling (or "feeling") the same way.

Originally Posted by Los

Post 31: Admits that Nienna was probably innocent after her death is assured; she seems to have gotten this from the fact that Nienna was, in fact, lynched? I'm not following that one..

"Admits"? Huh, that sounds quite bad. And I got that from Shasta voting her; I just got this sudden feeling she must be innocent since Shasta voted her. I'm not claiming that makes sense, I just got a feeling like that and posted it. And I do suspect Shasta himself.

Err sorry Loslote, don't take this personally, I mean not to bash you as a person, or diss your merits in this game (after you got us a wolf!) but I just feel you're misrepresenting me which does not make me exactly happy. I believe you're innocent* and thus not purposefully making a case that seems really silly (at least to me) but I just think you're not tight (obviously ) and grasping at straws.

*although there is the possibility that Los and Pitch are both wolves, but that would be really suicidial of them and easily found out, so it doesn't really make sense.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Talking of Mr. Agreeable... there's quite little he suspected and thus there's probably quite little to read from his posts - which doesn't mean we should just not check his posting as well. We should actually read closely what he has said of other people. But I think it might be even more enlightening to see how others related to him - especially when there was something like a suspicion on him which then suddenly disappeared. So how did it actually fade? I remember myself suspecting him but soon realising basically no one suspected him anymore and then I decided to focus on others - but was it just his sweet-talking as Mr. Agreeable or were there anything outside of what he said himself that triggered the change?

If I have time, I will look at his and Mnemo's interactions with people so that I may form a sort of consistent picture - that would be interesting. I myself dropped my suspicions of Pitchwife after a few people had argued that his and Mnemo's interactions seemed unfellowish and I took their arguments as plausible, especially as I had gradually felt les and less bad about Pitchie. And once I had decided to consider him innocent for the time being, there was nothing that would've changed my mind...

Originally Posted by Shasta

"Nogrod has quite good points against Pitchie, but I still wonder about him too." Lommy, when you say "him", which "him" are you referring to? Pitch or Nog?

I was referring to Nog. (That was like "Nogrod has good points that make me suspect Pitch, but I still suspect Nogrod as well".)

It's a pity Loslote gets only one dream, not only for the obvious reasons, but also because I was thinking it would've been a brilliant bluff if she'd been a secret normal seer and she would've claimed to be a secret limited seer. Oh well.

Originally Posted by Brinn

It was a mistake to lynch Nienna, she was the easy lynch, the most obvious suspect usually turns out innocent, blah, blah, blah.

I (obviously) agree it was a mistake, but really, Sally was much more like "the obvious suspect" of the Day than her if you ask me. Speaking of which, I'm still quite torn about Sally. She's weird.

Nogrod's replies to Mac are weird, but then again, Mac is weird himself. Gar. Actually, if I have time, I would like to have a look at those two. They're been playing nice quite easily and they give me bad vibes every now and then but then I forget about it always... I think they merit a closer look.

Originally Posted by Mac

The reason for suspecting you (at least for me) is mostly your horrible voting record (yesterDay it was just sketchy, now it's pretty evil).

Yes, the voting record, and your general manner, popping in just for a while and using at least 50% of your energy to defending yourself. This Day has been much better, though; I liked your summary. But I still suspect you.

*needs to think about various stuff*

[Bes]

I'm having trouble coming up with anything like a decent counter to the arguments that favor voting Pitch today. As has been stated by others, if Pitch isn't a wolf, then Lottie will get lynched tomorrow and that's still a wolf down (probably). If Pitch is a wolf, apologies and thanks are in order, if only on my part, to Lottie. We lose Pitch, of course, and that's sad if he's innocent, but apparently how the game is played. Sorry Pitch.

++Pitchwife

[satansaloser2005]

....

So many things look wrong with that post right there. *scratches head* Odd.


Anyway I think I'll go have a look at Bes. Not feeling the greatest today so I may be around for the rest of the Day if I don't feel like heading out to church and sundry. But for now, Bes!

[Bes]

I love how literally anything anyone here does or does not do lately makes them more suspicious.

[Thinlómien]

Analysing everybody but myself, Loslote and Pitchspoon, partly based on my own research and partly on summaries by others...

Boromir88
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: hardly any interaction
interactions with Pitch: very little interaction to point to any direction
voting record: Day1 no vote, Day2 Inzil, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: his slight interaction with the wolves don't point at any direction, it could be avoiding interaction or just random. His voting record could be suspected - on the two first Days it's pretty terrible and whatever Mac says, him starting the Wilwa-wagon yesterDay doesn't make him look particularily innocent. If Wilwa is a wolf, of course, then it's different, but I'm not making that assumption (yet). Anyway, his general manner seems to me very innocent, so his slightly questionable voting record (especially as he has aknowledged it himself) or the lack of interaction with known wolves (especially as that doesn't even suggest anything per se) doesn't sway it. Far more innocent than guilty, but if he keeps doing bad stuff, I might have to reconsider.

Eomer of the Rohirrim
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: granted, he put her on the lead with votes on Day1, but all his suspicions could've been wolf-on-wolf, she was good with him
interactions with Pitch: Eomer wavers on Pitch until puts him into the innocent category because of his interactions with Mnemo and then he stays there
voting record: Day1 Mnemo, Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Sally
conclusions: I'm quite torn about his interactions with the known wolves. It would all be quite bold (pursuing another fellow and declaring another innocent), but the problem is that Eomer is capable of that. His voting record looks quite good, but then again it is not too good to exclude him from wolvery. He's definitely still on my suspect list, but I think I'm going to drop aggressiveness against him for now because there's nothing really incriminating in his posts.

Morsul
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: looks slightly as if Mnemo could've been casting some shoddy wolf-on-wolf suspicion on him
interactions with Pitch: some buddiness (but is that merely because they started wwing at the same time?)
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Morsul
conclusion: now this is interesting... Morsul's interactions with the wolves look a bit bad and his voting record wavers between good and bad. The Day2 vote was quite fishy, but I'm not sure a wolf-Morsul would vote himself... It's tough, I don't suspect him really but he's definitely fallen from the "tsut tsut innocent baby" category to somewhere lower...

Brinn
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: almost nothing
interactions with Pitch: hardly anything, except that Pitch flip-flopped on Brinn's innocence
voting record: Day1 Nerwen, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Sally
conclusion: her interactions with the wolves could be interpreted either way. Combined with her not-so-good-looking voting record, it really makes me wonder. It is notable what Mac wondered about her votes. She's really now near the top of my suspicion list if not there, her manner has been kind of disturbing all the time and all this evidence is not making her look any more innocent. (And I can totally see a wolf Brinn protecting an innocent Nienna.)

Nogrod
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: she seems to trust him, he doesn't trust her
interactions with Pitch: goes with the popular trend of suspecting Pitch and then letting go of it
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: his interactions with the wolves don't really tell us much: they seem both innocent and lupine at the same time. I still don't like his frenzy-attack on Roa on Day1 and his vote for Mnemo didn't matter. Also if at least one of Sally&Wilwa is a wolf, he definitely bears watching. For now, I wouldn't be too aggressively for bashing him, but I'm definitely watching him.

Macalaure
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: not much, but slightly positive
interactions with Pitch: Mac flip-flops on Pitch in an eyebrow-raising manner, but Pitch gave him the third vote on Day1
voting record: Day1 Inzil, Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: ok, I think I'm dropping my suspicions of him for now. Giving Mnemo the fourth vote on Day2 and Pitch trying to get him lynched speak for his innocence quite clearly, whatever fishiness there is here or there.

sally
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: rather fishy friendliness and banter (although as we all know they are RL friends)
interactions with Pitch: slight suspicion from her towards him, he votes her on Day3
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Lottie, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: if there wasn't Pitch's vote for Sally (like Mac said he could've voted Nienna based on what he had said before), I would be very very worried of Sally - trying to save Mnemo and having wolf-on-wolf like suspicions of Pitch - but now I guess I have to consider her quite innocent.

Nerwen
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: low
interactions with Mnemo: she did make a case against her
interactions with Pitch: she considered him innocent based on Mnemo's guilt
voting record: Day1 Mac (didn't count), Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: her consistent suspicion against Mnemo looks good, exonerating Pitch based on that doesn't (although half of the village did that). Looks more innocent than guilty, but I don't like it that people take her innocence for granted.

Bes
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: not much
interactions with Pitch: some mutual suspicion
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 no vote, Day3 Lottie
conclusion: well, this doesn't sway my opinion to any direction. Generally he seems so confused that if he's a wolf I think he's fellows would've already helped him out and clarified the rules for him.

Shasta
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: he defended her
interactions with Pitch: not much except some late-emergent suspicion against him on Day3
voting record: Day1 Inzil, Day2 Nerwen, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: it really looks quite bad, but possibly too bad to be bad.

wilwa
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: Wilwa defended Mnemo when the situation was really open
interactions with Pitch: she almost voted him but sticked to her suspicion of Boro
voting record: Day1 no vote, Day2 Boro, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: I can totally understand why people suspect her, it indeed looks quite bad. The only problem with suspecting her is the same that I have with suspecting Shasta: it looks too obvious.

So...

innocent
Bes
Mac

innocentish
Boro
Nerwen
Sally

in the middle
Eomer
Morsul
Nogrod

suspiciousish
- (interesting...)

suspicious
Brinn
Wilwa
Shasta


edit: xed with the five last posts

[Pitchwife]

Lommy, while you're on, this is the moment to tell you that marine biologist's joke I promised you before we set out, lest I forget. (If you don't get it, ask a Brit to explain.)

The squid had a few too many last night and is having a huge hangover. His brain (or whatever squids use instead) hurts, he's feeling squeemish, he can't control his tentacles properly, he's having a really wretched day.
Swimming by comes a dolphin, he says to the squid: "Poor you, you look really bad, but I tell you what, all you need is some fresh water. Hang on to my fin, I'll take you up near the surface where there's more oxygen - that'll do you good."
So the squid hangs on to the dolphin's fin, and the dolphin takes him up near the surface where they meet a shark. Says the dolphin to the shark, "Hi mate, here's the sick squid I owe you!"

[Thinlómien]

That was a silly joke, Pitch.

[Thinlómien]

Boromir88
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: hardly any interaction
interactions with Pitch: very little interaction to point to any direction
voting record: Day1 no vote, Day2 Inzil, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: his slight interaction with the wolves don't point at any direction, it could be avoiding interaction or just random. His voting record could be suspected - on the two first Days it's pretty terrible and whatever Mac says, him starting the Wilwa-wagon yesterDay doesn't make him look particularily innocent. If Wilwa is a wolf, of course, then it's different, but I'm not making that assumption (yet). Anyway, his general manner seems to me very innocent, so his slightly questionable voting record (especially as he has aknowledged it himself) or the lack of interaction with known wolves (especially as that doesn't even suggest anything per se) doesn't sway it. Far more innocent than guilty, but if he keeps doing bad stuff, I might have to reconsider.

It really bugs me, because my gut says he's innocent and my reason says he's guilty. Just look at the evidence, it's pretty bad. But then again, his manner is exactly like it is when he's innocent. Crap.

Morsul
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: looks slightly as if Mnemo could've been casting some shoddy wolf-on-wolf suspicion on him
interactions with Pitch: some buddiness (but is that merely because they started wwing at the same time?)
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Morsul
conclusion: now this is interesting... Morsul's interactions with the wolves look a bit bad and his voting record wavers between good and bad. The Day2 vote was quite fishy, but I'm not sure a wolf-Morsul would vote himself... It's tough, I don't suspect him really but he's definitely fallen from the "tsut tsut innocent baby" category to somewhere lower...

Well to be honest, he's been a bit under my radar. The evidence could mean he's guilty, but then again, I'm still unsure if he'd really have the guts to self-vote as wolf.

Brinn
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: almost nothing
interactions with Pitch: hardly anything, except that Pitch flip-flopped on Brinn's innocence
voting record: Day1 Nerwen, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Sally
conclusion: her interactions with the wolves could be interpreted either way. Combined with her not-so-good-looking voting record, it really makes me wonder. It is notable what Mac wondered about her votes. She's really now near the top of my suspicion list if not there, her manner has been kind of disturbing all the time and all this evidence is not making her look any more innocent. (And I can totally see a wolf Brinn protecting an innocent Nienna.)

The way Brinn reacted to my suspicion of her was sort of really defensive, which makes me wonder if she's just an innocent offended to be suspected on stupid (?) reasons, or whether she's a jumpy wolf. I definitely didn't like her opportunistic vote for me yesterDay, but that could be just because I don't like it when people suspect me when I'm innocent (or guilty, for that matter and actually I do like being suspected a bit because otherwise it's boring). I still think there's something wrong with her manner, though.

Nogrod
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: she seems to trust him, he doesn't trust her
interactions with Pitch: goes with the popular trend of suspecting Pitch and then letting go of it
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: his interactions with the wolves don't really tell us much: they seem both innocent and lupine at the same time. I still don't like his frenzy-attack on Roa on Day1 and his vote for Mnemo didn't matter. Also if at least one of Sally&Wilwa is a wolf, he definitely bears watching. For now, I wouldn't be too aggressively for bashing him, but I'm definitely watching him.

I'm taking his word for making the decisive vote on Mnemo, but knowing him, that doesn't make him actually look much better. Also, him starting to suspect me recently makes him look bad in my eyes: it feels (sorry to overuse the word) opportunistic and sort of also it feels like he's trying to pressure me to do something, maybe give up on him and Sally?

sally
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: rather fishy friendliness and banter (although as we all know they are RL friends)
interactions with Pitch: slight suspicion from her towards him, he votes her on Day3
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Lottie, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: if there wasn't Pitch's vote for Sally (like Mac said he could've voted Nienna based on what he had said before), I would be very very worried of Sally - trying to save Mnemo and having wolf-on-wolf like suspicions of Pitch - but now I guess I have to consider her quite innocent.

Well it's the same: her record looks bad except for the extremely contradictory vote of Pitch's against her.

Nerwen
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: low
interactions with Mnemo: she did make a case against her
interactions with Pitch: she considered him innocent based on Mnemo's guilt
voting record: Day1 Mac (didn't count), Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: her consistent suspicion against Mnemo looks good, exonerating Pitch based on that doesn't (although half of the village did that). Looks more innocent than guilty, but I don't like it that people take her innocence for granted.

I don't know, I want to hear more of her.

Bes
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: not much
interactions with Pitch: some mutual suspicion
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 no vote, Day3 Lottie
conclusion: well, this doesn't sway my opinion to any direction. Generally he seems so confused that if he's a wolf I think he's fellows would've already helped him out and clarified the rules for him.

I don't know... what I said about his confusion still holds, but I definitely didn't like his vote for me yesterDay because it wasn't grounded in any way and it didn't make any sense to me.

Shasta
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: he defended her
interactions with Pitch: not much except some late-emergent suspicion against him on Day3
voting record: Day1 Inzil, Day2 Nerwen, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: it really looks quite bad, but possibly too bad to be bad.

I'm currently thinking his innocent, even with some of these bad facts.

I seem to have reached the stage of paranoia where I suspect everybody (except for Shasta)... the good news is that almost whoever gets lynched, I'm happy.


edit: xed with Nogrod

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

=> representation doesn't really do justice to me. Mac's and Nog's behaviour changed a bit, so I notified it, but it doesn't mean I changed my mind about them. And I certainly was still suspicious of Mnemo, just slightly worried because so many others were feeling (or "feeling") the same way.

So when other people started feeling the same way, you backed off. I'm sorry, but that's the way you're coming off to me...

EDIT: xed with Bes

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Bes

I'm having trouble coming up with anything like a decent counter to the arguments that favor voting Pitch today. As has been stated by others, if Pitch isn't a wolf, then Lottie will get lynched tomorrow and that's still a wolf down (probably). If Pitch is a wolf, apologies and thanks are in order, if only on my part, to Lottie. We lose Pitch, of course, and that's sad if he's innocent, but apparently how the game is played. Sorry Pitch.

++Pitchwife

This post does look very strange.

Originally Posted by Bes

I love how literally anything anyone here does or does not do lately makes them more suspicious.

Only the suspicious (or strange...) things.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Shasta

It bothers me that so many people (Mac, Sally, Lommy, Brinn) think I look so bad, without actually saying why. Reasons, please?

I believe I did explain my suspicions yesterDay. And then your actions at the end of the Day looks awfully sinister which is why I'm even more worried about you.

Originally Posted by Sally

You know, I'm wondering how likely it is that Shasta is a wolf, or at least a really clever one. He could have left Nienna to die since she reached the tie number first, but he voted for her anyway. If I was a wolf in his position I'd have just let nature take its course but he didn't. Had anyone not voted at the end of the Day that might have posed a threat to a Wilwolf packmate?

Shasta was present and posting at the end of the Day before the tie occurred. If he had abstained from voting, people would've questioned it. Sure he could've said he lost track of time or something, but that would've been unsporty. So I don't think the fact that he voted at all gives any indication towards what his role may be.

Originally Posted by Loslote

If it helps, Legate called the role the ,,birthday dreamer'' (with the funny commas and everything) and I was forbidden to reveal on Day 1.

Hmm...I've heard of that role before from way back in the early days of WW. I can't recall ever seeing that role used in a game since I started playing, so I think it's been years since it's been used.

[Pitchwife]

About sally's Hunter plan - nice idea, in a way. If you'd keep me alive long enough, I might even try to talk myself out of the noose. On the other hand, if you mislynch the Hunter in the meantime and they just happen to have none of the real wolves on their list at the time, I'd still die.
The obvious drawback is that as long as both Lottie and I remain alive, you won't be able to trust either of us (not that you can trust Lottie anyway), so you'll have to disregard everything I say. Talking to the walls of my prison cell while being pointedly ignored by the outside world would become pretty tedious after a while.

No, the logical way to proceed is quite simple. When a Seer reveals and names a wolf, you lynch the named person (unless there's a believable counter-reveal). When it turns out the Seer was lying, you lynch the Seer. Everything else is just confusing yourself and complicating your work.

And as a matter of personal taste, I prefer the noose (or the spoon) to going to jail. So, for the furthering of science and progress,
++Pitchwife

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

So when other people started feeling the same way, you backed off. I'm sorry, but that's the way you're coming off to me...

I didn't back off, but I started to doubt. That's true and I don't deny it. However, if I had been a wolf who didn't want to sacrifice a fellow Mnemo, I would've been awfully short-sighted to give her the second vote early on and suspect her relatively loudly and then start having vague doubts and turning my boat later... It's really just what I said: it doesn't bode well if the village agress too much about lynching somebody because then it means there's no one who wants him/her to live ie probably no fellow wolves ergo s/he's probably innocent. I'm glad that wasn't the case with the Mnemo suspicion, but it looked like that at that point.