Admin Thread for WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ah, but I guessed that's what you were trying to make me think.

(Mind you, I had my heart in my mouth waiting for toDay's DL, I can tell you.)

Kudos to you and Shasta for hiding in plain sight so well. We all talked a lot about who the gifteds might be, but I don't think your names got mentioned except in passing.

Seeing the PMs of those nights might be rather fun...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Seeing the PMs of those nights might be rather fun...

I don't think I saved the earlier Nights. I'll have a look.

[Thinlómien]

Meh, I'm not chagrined at you, Nerwen, not at all. You were just too good for me first and then used your opportunity smartly. I'm more chagrined at werewolf in general, a bit at myself and a bit at Morsul. But it will pass... don't worry.

[Nerwen]

I only saved pms from Night 3 onwards. These are all my replies, but as you see I quoted the others at length within them.

Night 3

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 11:25
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No, they probably won't... although, potentially pretty much anyone we kill could frame quite a few people, with the amount of suspicion going around the village.

Killing Mac would be unlikely to get you (Bes) lynchedñ I'm not sure why you say that. I think you're overestimating the amount of suspicion you're under, which is a thing first time wolves tend to do. Be careful not to let yourself get the jitters toMorrow.

If Mac's by any chance the Hunter he might of course decide to add any of us to his list on impulse– but that's a problem that isn't going away. A number of people have noticed how jumpy and "wolvish" he isñ may well mean something.

He's a very good player anyway, so worth getting rid of.

Thoughts?

~Nerwolf.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 13:36
Title : Who to kill...?
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Bes, I'm just reading through yesterDay now, and Mac has all of us as "undecided" or "tending innocent", so I'm not sure where you're getting all that from.

Not that his suspecting us would necessarily be a bad thing, as I said, except for that nasty little detail about the Hunter getting three shots.

However, I must confess I'd feel bad about killing Mac so early, when he hasn't played for a long time, and was killed on Night One in his last game (ahem! by me), so I'm currently looking at other prospects as well.

Back soon.

~Nerwolf.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 16:04
Title : FW: Thoughts about Mac (and toMorrow)
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As you see, we really though Mac was a likely gifted at that point– and not a thought of Sally or Shasta. However, Pitch was left to make the decision on his own, and decided on Zil.

Night 4

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 03:06
Title : FW: Damn! A @ß%& Seer!
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Bes is definitely not the logical person for her to dream, not with so many others looking worse.

Bad news is that Lottie is both good at spotting wolves and, I think, pretty headstrong, and she might just go ahead and dream Bes anyway... in which case you're dead, Bes, and there's not a thing we can do about it.

Good news is that if the worst comes to the worst, Pitch and I don't have any ties to you.

Oh well. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

And now I'm just going to take a moment to express my feelings on the situation:

^#&*@*@#*@#*#*@*(&&$@*%%#%#!!!!

First we lose the Night One kill, now this!

I just hope the next "surprise" works in our favour.

Not worth the risk. We'll get a free shot at her toMorrow night, so the known innocents will be down to whoever Lottie dreamed– if it's not one of us *crosses fingers*.

The drawback to so many villagers looking highly suspicious is that we can't bet on her dreaming any given person. Shasta is the most likely, but it would be a waste of a lynchee if we killed him and she dreamed someone else.

~Nerwolf.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 15:31
Title : FW: Nightkill
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It would frame her nicely... but the problem is, Sally is quite likely to get dreamed by Lottie. In fact, after re-reading the thread, she looks even more suspicious than Shasta, what with all that talk of her "partners", and seeming to know Nienna was innocent.

So if we kill Eomer to frame Sally, and toMorrow she becomes a known innocent, it's a bit of a waste.

Unless either of you think he might be gifted? Because it's gifteds and/or dangerous and/or hard-to-lynch players we should be trying for– under the current circumstances, there's no point trying to frame anyone when we don't know who Lottie will dream.

What, you thought people were just kidding about him being psychic? Now you know.

...So... maybe Shasta after all... or else Greenie, who is generally seen as innocent... or back to Mac.

Thoughts?

~Nerwolf.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 16:55
Title : More on the Nightkill
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I've been thinking about this some more. I think not Shasta– if he doesn't get dreamed, he'll have his work cut out defending himself toMorrow, and if he does... well, it won't prove anything.

Meanwhile, if we kill him and Lottie dreams, say, Wilwa, we'd have lost two lynch baits instead of one.

How about killing Brinn or Greenie? They're in the hard-to lynch category, and they might be anything.

I have to go now. I'll try to be back before the DL– if I'm not, one of you will have to make the final decision and send in the kill. Sorry about this, but I have a bit of a timezone problem here ...

For toMorrow, I think we should lie low and say nuffin' until we know whether Lottie dreamed one of us. Or at least, say as little as possible. This is not just to avoid incriminating each other– if one of us makes a case against a villager and then is exposed as a wolf, it would be a waste.

What is extremely good, about the only thing that's really gone our way, in fact, is that the late votes last Night look just like a wicked wolvish conspiracy. It could be Days before the village gets that mess sorted out.

Back later (hopefully).

~Nerwolf.

Note that though we were talking about killing Shasta, we weren't thinking of him as a gifted candidate.

Oh, and I went into the next Day quite prepared to throw another of my poor little wolf-cubs to the lambs, or even be thrown myself. I had a nasty feeling Lottie wouldn't dream one of the obvious people.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 03:10
Title : FW: Pitch.
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Sorry to leave you alone all this time, Bes my internet died halfway through yesterDay. Not that it would have made any difference.

Well, you couldn't have done anything else.

But anyway, that's what I was afraid of, with Lottie. She just does her own thing...

Also, Roa suggests we kill Eomer or Lommy, and find a way to blame Wilwa. Would it be wrong of us to take her advice?

Well, no, she's out of the game and she didn't know anyone's role. Besides, I've been considering Eomer anyway.

Not Lommy, though. I think she'll make good lynch-bait... quite a few people think she's guilty, including Lottie.

~Nerwolf.[/QUOTE]

From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 05:58
Title : ToNight and ToMorrow...
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Yes, I'll send it in now.

For toMorrow's strategy... well, hopefully we can get the villagers to kill each other for a few more Days. Try and not attract too much attention to yourself. You should be all right, but that comment you made when voting Pitch, about "trying to find a reason not to vote him" might get you in trouble. You'd better just explain you didn't trust Lottie, and hope the rest will be put down to newbie-ishness.

I might go after Sally a bit– she went down in the suspicion lists after Pitch'sexposure, but I bet she's creeping up again now.

We really need our luck to change, though.

~Nerwolf.

From : Nerwen
To : Legate of Amon Lanc
Date : 2009-12-07 06:10
Title : Tonight's kill.
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Dear Legate,

We have decided to eat Eomer toNight. We have had enough of his ice-related puns, and wish to put our theory that he is del-ice-ious to the test.

Yours respectfully,

The Wolves.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 16:28
Title : Good luck for toMorrow!
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That's about all, really.

~Nerwolf.

Night 5
[QUOTE]
From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-09 10:23
Title : RE: Also
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Originally Posted by Bes

Little time as I had for it before, I have less time for this game now, and I'm not enjoyying it much at this point. I sort of hope they lynch me tomorrow, selfish as that is.

Try and stay alive please, Bes. I've enjoyed playing with you.

However, if by any chance you do find yourself on the block, how about claiming to be a gifted? It might help me find the real ones.

She got Pitch, remember? There's been only one innocent I've ever played with who told a direct lie about a Seer dream to get someone lynchedñ and it wasn't Lottie.

I want her to stay alive, for the present. All the people doubting her are making themselves look increasingly bad. I think toMorrow Night will be the time to kill herñ depending on what's happened during the Day, of course.

Mac + Lommy is also a possible pairing... but whatever. I agree, it's high time we killed him. I've thought him a likely gifted from the start and even if he's not, his death could make things interesting, and help narrow down the possibilities for who the gifteds are. (For instance, I doubt it's Mac + Brinn).

Unless one of us has a sudden inspiration in the next hour, I'll send his name in for the kill.

~Nerwolf.

I never did get around to asking what Bes meant about Sally– I think he hadn't read the rules about the Hunter properly.

From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Legate of Amon Lanc
Date : 2009-12-09 12:31
Title : Tonight's kill.
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Dear Legate,

After having Inzil for a main course, A Little Green as greens and a del-ice-ious Eomer dessert, we wolves have had a sudden craving for fast food.

We'd like a Mac toNight.

Yours sincerely,

The Wolves.

Look, Pitch started the jokes, not me.

I'll post the rest later.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just for the record (or if somebody was blind), narration is up!

Anyway - thanks to everybody for playing... I should go to bed already now, but of course I will join to chat with you here tomorrow after also those who have not shown yet will join us to share their experiences (hopefully).

Just to say the most important things - I hope you all liked the game, as much as I have liked it, and really I think every single one of you has done remarkable impact. (I have been, so to say, following really everybody's personal "fate", and as this far I have been modding only small games, it was really an amazing experience.)

There have been one or two unfortunate things during the game and few people had to drop out, but it was not anything big, and I think compared to how sometimes people massively drop out or do not participate, this game remained quite "stable" and very "live" until the end.

So thanks everybody for playing once again!

And hope you liked my special events and intentionally Legate-ishly over-cryptic narrations. Speaking of special events, though, there is one thing I feel I need to point out so that I do not claim credit for something that has not been my original idea...

I would like to hear feedback about the "false Day 1" (Gifteds and Wolves were intentionally told not to reveal for that purpose, but I tried to make it secret enough so I don't think they had any clue as to what might happen... am I right?). But it is not just me who would like to hear it, I am sure. As there was indeed someone who brought me to that idea in the first place, and I have also notified him that I am going to use it so I assume he is lurking around here somewhere or will appear soon too... Now I feel somewhat stupid to announce his name, as it is such a... cliché to praise his name... but it's thanks to him that I could have used this false Day 1 in this game and he is (I am not going to bolden his name so that I don't give spoilers to those who read this)... the phantom. Who else.

Aside from that, I must say I have been fearing that the Werewolves were actually a bit in a disadvanteage at start. Basically perhaps the false Day 1 served more to the village (but maybe we can hear the WW's opinion on that?) and also to an extent the Sacrificial Chamber, if "used" well (especially in connection with the still living Hunter - which was something I did not expect to happen!). But they have managed to make their way through.

I must say the Gifteds have done an exceptional job here. They were lucky to remain alive so long, too. Loslote of course made a bullseye with her single dream. For the record, the purpose of the Birthday Dreamer was not actually that much to give another Gifted to the village, but rather to "elevate" a common ordo (like, have you never thought as ordos "gah, if only I had a single dream now, I would sort things out!"?).

But the wolves were sliding well out of the suspicion and the wolf-on-wolf votes have indeed basically cleared them all in the eyes of most in the beginning. What a move!

And I should also give hats off to our newbie Bes, who has remained alive for a looong time. Hope you've liked it and are going to stay with us! (even though now you cannot play on the newbie card as much anymore )

And of course to all the "ordinary" ordos, who contributed well, each with their own...

Okay. Ugh. Well, so that is my "short" post. Ha ha. I should have known myself by now. Well, good night - now at last without capital n.

[Inziladun]

A very enjoyable game, Legate, and my thanks for your hard work. My time ended up being rather short, but it would have been even shorter without the false Day 1.
It was useful, I think, to basically have that Day as a 'do over', but there would have been considerable angst had a wolf been lynched that Day and the fact later revealed (or a Gifted been lynched from the Wolves' point of view).
The 'Sacrifice' looked quite interesting, and after seeing 3 wolves taken down, I echo the consternation that the innocents still managed to lose.
Hats off to the Wolves, and to Lottie and Shasta, who managed to make good use of their Gifted abilities.

[Nogrod]

What the f...?

The one Day I'm not in early enough you decide to end the game?

I said it was odd no-one suspected Nerwen but she still continued living... and I suspected her already on D1!!!

(Okay, my fault, I should have followed it more closely - and I had absolutely no other reason to suspect her up to yesterDay.)

Why Boro, why?

The "no-Day" was a great idea. Sadly it doesn't work generally as if people know to wait for it it makes D1's even more dull. But on onetime-use it was good!

(Okay, had no time to read the other post-game comments as it is late... coming back tomorrow...)

[Pitchwife]

*rises from the grave to light fireworks and open some bottles of champagne*

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I don't think I saved the earlier Nights. I'll have a look.

Don't worry, I've saved everything up to the Night before my lynching and will post them in a quiet moment when we're all done celebrating or lamenting, respectively.

Hey Nerwen, congratulations on your victory! Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself), but you deserved it nevertheless - not the least for your patience in putting up with three first-time cubs. I really don't want to know how often during this game you wondered what the Angband we thought we were doing...

Which reminds me -

Originally Posted by Nerwen

By the way, do you realise he started the "Mr Agreeable" thing? He said something on Day One about how "wolves often try to seem agreeable"...

I'm sure some people must have noticed it - that's why it was so much fun to point out and rub it in how perfectly the description fit my own behaviour (which of course I wasn't aware of when I said this, stupid me, but I naturally tend to be like this - reluctant to judge anybody rashly, always trying to see the other side, etc., unless I make a conscious effort or see something that really screams wolf to me; which made it quite difficult for me to be vicious with malice aforethought and make a convincing case against a known innocent - and made it much easier to go wolf-on-wolf when the occasion presented itself).

Bes, sorry again for turning against you about Lottie's reveal. You played the newbie card very well, and no small feat to survive so long. Being taken down by the Hunter on the Day before the last is quite an honourable death for a Werewolf, I think. May we meet again!

(À propos, Lottie - I didn't really mean to urge you to dream Bes, I just thought you were very likely to dream him anyway, so it couldn't hurt. Little did I know I was digging my own grave there... As it turned out, I must plead guilty to having gravely underestimated you - a mistake I hopefully won't make again so soon. Great job there!)

Mnemo - thanks for your sacrifice, which I obviously profited from (honestly, I was quite surprised how the suspicion against me suddenly abated after our wolf-on-wolf act), but I'm really curious: were you actually planning to get lynched on Day 2/Day 1b, or what was that all about?

I'll get round to giving the innocents their due tomorrow, but now for some sleep.

[Macalaure]

I have to be more consequent with Nerwen - innocent-looking = evil, suspicious = innocent. I might have suspected Bes at some point, but you?

And I was so sure that Nogrod was the last wolf, certainly after he was the brain behind the Lottie lynch... I couldn't believe you people actually did that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

However, I must confess I'd feel bad about killing Mac so early, when he hasn't played for a long time, and was killed on Night One in his last game (ahem! by me), so I'm currently looking at other prospects as well.

How sweet.

You guys really wanted to kill me all the time! I feel honoured.

[Loslote]

*snickers*

That just made my day. Nerwen, Bes, and Pitchie, you amuse me greatly.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nienna

and I'd just like to apologize to Lommy and Wilwa for suspecting you heavily without apparent cause.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

My apologies to Nienna and Brinn, and Wilwa too!

No worries, no worries, I did plenty to make me look bad so I don't blame you at all!

I blame Boro. And it turns out him and I being "rivals" doesn't do much good at all, haha.


That was a great game everyone! You wolves did a very good job, and I didn't suspect any of you. Sally, Shasta and Lottie, you all did great!!! And Legate, you did a lovely job, you're narrations were totally awesome!

[Roa_Aoife]

That was fantastic to watch, especially after Bes informed on who the wolves were. I couldn't help laughing over and over again, especially at Nog, with "So and so must be a wolf! There is no other explanation!" Oh, sweetie, you make me giggle.

The rampant paranoia was highly amusing, especially when you all turned on your one known innocent. I still can't believe you guys did that. I kept thinking, "No, they won't fall for it. No one ever falls for that."

Also:

Originally Posted by nightly pms

Also, Roa suggests we kill Eomer or Lommy, and find a way to blame Wilwa. Would it be wrong of us to take her advice?

That's right! It was me! I killed Eomer while being dead and not a wolf! Mwahahahahaha! (I know not really, but the thought still tickles me.)

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself),

I'd say "Lommy why were you so suspicious. And Nerwen why were you so charming. and to other innocents next time lynch me so I don't mess up!"

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't feel bad Morsul. If the rest of the village hadn't lynched all those innocents before hand, your vote wouldn't have been so crucial. That's why Werewolf is a team sport. Everyone's decisions affect the outcome of the game, and there really isn't a "crucial vote" because every vote has affected the outcome. Hence why you can die early and still claim victory if your side whens.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I'd say "Lommy why were you so suspicious. And Nerwen why were you so charming. and to other innocents next time lynch me so I don't mess up!"

Hey, sorry, that was a bit mean of me. But things like that happen to all of us - and it's not like you were the only innocent there who with the best intentions did his bit to help us win! So no bad feelings, I hope.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Hey Nerwen, congratulations on your victory! Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself), but you deserved it nevertheless - not the least for your patience in putting up with three first-time cubs. I really don't want to know how often during this game you wondered what the Angband we thought we were doing...

Pitch, you darling adorwable fuzzy widdle wolfcubs did the number one thing I wanted, which was not to leave obvious trails to me or each other. From the start I'd pretty much counted on at least half the pack getting killed. You and Mnemo were, after all, in the uncomfortable position of being first-time wolves but fairly well-known players... and then it was such a large village, with a high-powered (not to mention psychic ) Hunter. And that was before I knew of Legate's first "twist" and the fact that there was a Seer of sorts after all.

I must say, Legate, this was not an easy set-up for us poor wolves!

[Morsul the Dark]

Sally: To be honest, I'm not sure I would have gotten you the last Day anyway; I'd passed over Nogrod for sure and was leaning toward innocent on Lommie, but Morsul had done so much for the wolves (and to me, honestly) that I couldn't imagine him being innocent. I thought maybe we had a cobbler after all. Then again, I had you pegged as my other suspect, and knew that if the wolf wasn't Morsul they'd certainly kill him because I was the only one who really suspected him. I said to Legate last Night that I was making a grave mistake but was fine with dealing with the consequences. At least I didn't protect you.

How about next time I use my psychic powers to read everyone? Act suspicious I'll vote for you.

Pitch: Hey, sorry, that was a bit mean of me. But things like that happen to all of us - and it's not like you were the only innocent there who with the best intentions did his bit to help us win! So no bad feelings, I hope.

even after game he's "Mr. Agreeable
Of course there's no hard feelings it's a game for a reason.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What, you thought people were just kidding about him being psychic? Now you know.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

and then it was such a large village, with a high-powered (not to mention psychic ) Hunter.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, Nerwolf, you were on my very first list as Hunter.

I don't have all the PMs I sent Legate changing my list, but I did it... a lot. There were a couple times I changed during the day and had to inform sally via a code, too.