WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[alonariel]

Eek! Just got home from work - both glad and sad at the lack of posts.

Revealing the PM-pals: I somewhat agree with Wilwa, it could cause a lot of confusion. However, if an ordo is paired with a wolf in this game (I was last game - Nog, dear, the vote hurts but I'll forgive you!) and has a suspicion about their PM pal, it might give their suspicions more credibility if we get it all out on Day 1 who is paired with who.

Or it could just cause massive confusion. I don't know. At the moment, I won't reveal unless it's alright with my partner - though he hasn't been on a lot today, either, much like me I'm afraid.

I don't have any solid suspicions at this point, but we'll see. ToDay is extended by two more hours because Gwath has commitments, so maybe something will come out of the woodworks by then?

[Inziladun]

Morsul's absence is a bit disconcerting, but I don't see him as voteworthy just yet.
At the moment, I think I'm leaning toward Lottie. No one else really stands out as much at the moment, and her vote for me wasn't very well reasoned, even if it is me saying so. I never said I was for or against the PM-Pal outing, yet she claims I flip-flopped.
There's also the way she seems to be misrepresenting Wilwa's words, as Rikae notes. I'd like to hear from some others though before I decide.

x/d with Glirdan

[Isabellkya]

Glirdan what is your opinion on Wilwa's vote?

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Glirdan what is your opinion on Wilwa's vote?

My answer is in an earlier post of mine actually.

Originally Posted by Me

Both are rather safe votes seeing as neither Sally nor Alona have been able to get on to defend themselves, let alone post. However...I do believe that this is mainly due to the time zone differences and thus I am inclined to believe at this point that neither of these to voter's are Wolves. At least not at this time.

That is my opinion on both Wilwa and Nog. However, seeing as their votes are rather too early to tell anything, there is always the possibility that one of them is a Wolf and I would not put it past either of them for two reasons: 1) Both of their votes are safe. 2) They both voted early, thus eliminating the "They joined the bandwagon" situation.

[Glirdan]

Oh, and just to keep the voting updated:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie



Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?

This caught me as odd... However as I came into something very confusing I thought DL was when a few other people said so those two together made a kind of... ok this is a crappy vote but it's all I got kind of thing...

And if I recall Gwath said no vote retractions.

[alonariel]

Just an update:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie
6. Izzy -------> Shasta
7. Lari -------> Shasta
8. Morsul -------> Glirdan

I see the validity of what Glirdan was saying about Lottie and Zil, especially since Lottie was the first and pretty much only person to bring up suspicion around Zil and stick with it. Rikae's suspicion of Glirdan seems a little shaky - Glirdan didn't post all that much and what he did post seemed honest.

Lari's vote was last minute, by her own admittance. Nog's vote was probably due to time constraints and Wilwa's vote for Sally seemed like a best guess on Day 1.

Though I've said I don't have that strong of suspicion, Shasta's quiet-ness alone is making me suspicious of him - where have you been toDay, kind sir? Then again, Morsul makes me nervous with his out of nowhere vote for Glirdan. How is what he said about Lottie and Zil suspicious?

I'm leaning towards either Morsul or Shasta at this point. Not much to go on, but it's all I have for Day 1.

[Lariren Shadow]

So I can't retract my vote? Oh great.

Morsul, can you point me to this? I skimmed the admin thread and couldn't find anything.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Just an update:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie
6. Izzy -------> Shasta
7. Lari -------> Shasta
8. Morsul -------> Glirdan

Though I've said I don't have that strong of suspicion, Shasta's quiet-ness alone is making me suspicious of him - where have you been toDay, kind sir? Then again, Morsul makes me nervous with his out of nowhere vote for Glirdan. How is what he said about Lottie and Zil suspicious?

Look at the votes when I voted(crossing with the second shasta vote) Everyone had one Looked to me like self preservation "Look people voting for each other quick vote them not me" added to a mistaken DL I went with gut oh well vote me if you want save me some trouble for a week.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?

If it is, I wasn't informed.

I'm on, in case you hadn't noticed by the fact that I posted.

[satansaloser2005]

Who's your lover, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by sally

Who's your lover, Lottie?

Nogrod. Zil analysis pending, but I keep missing posts, getting to where they should be, and headdesking.

[satansaloser2005]

Goodie. That makes it:

Sally/Glirdan
Shasta/Alona
Morsul/Wilwa
Rikae/Izzy
Nog/Lottie
Dun/Lari

My internet's on the blink but I'll come back with conclusions on this in a bit.

[Lariren Shadow]

So first of all, Alona asked me to rely that she will be at work for the next six hours.

Second I guess I'll try a list because there is nothing much else going on.

Nog: I have no read, and he is absent from the game. I honestly have no idea.

Inzil: PM partner, nothing jumping out.

Shasta: He hasn't said much, is kind of staying away. Whether from lack to time or what but I want to keep my eye on him.

Izzie: Again, no idea. Not really sure what to think.

Rikae: I don't know. She is suspicious of Alona saying they are on the same side and busy. Whether Alona is assuming they are both innocent or just saying a general we are all on the village's side it was an interesting thing to jump on.

Alona: Her arguing with Lottie is a lot like innocent Alona getting annoyed. I'm leaning towards not guilty.

Sally: Reasonably certain she is innocent. As in, right if she was the Night kill then she is innocent.

Lottie: I honestly don't like her logic at all. Most of it is flimsy. I have a really bad feeling about her. It kind of seems like she's a wolf with nothing to do and trying to make sense of it.

Wilwa: Not sure at all again. Really, no idea.

So yeah, a lot of people I have no read on, one who looks rather suspicious, and at least one I want to watch. This is super for Day 2.

[Rikae]

Nog: alona seems to think I can read her (and she had an uncanny ability to read me in RL WW), so if she's a wolf I'd expect her to try and win my trust in any event. If she knows I'm innocent (because I'm not in her pack) she may try to imply she knows it either hoping I will trust her because she trusts me (out of general good feelings), or because I'll think she's a seer. Which I don't.

And, Lari, I'm curious as to why you think it was an interesting thing for me to "jump on" - it was, after all, a very odd thing and one of the only things said about me.

[Isabellkya]

Plgh. I keep thinking that deadline is at nine, not in less than ten minutes.

Ahh, okay. I must've missed that. I suppose I should clarify. What is your opinion on her vote reasoning. As she essentially voted for one whom came online, noticed lack of posts, then didn't contribute to the post count number. Which you are condemning me for mentioning. xD

I've got to vote now.
++Shasta

Somewhat random. I know he can contribute more, Mister!


X'd with Glirdan and mistyped Shasta's name.

[Lariren Shadow]

Ah! Deadline?!

++Shasta

Really, just pulling a name out here.

[Isabellkya]

yes Morsul; we started over. The admin thread has more and full details.


X'd with Lariren

[Morsul the Dark]

++Glirdan in a deadlock of votes it looks like he's trying to toss some suspicion...

[alonariel]

DL toDay isn't until 10PM PST, guys. Gwath posted on the admin thread.

[Isabellkya]

So much for mental notes....

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Morsul

++Glirdan in a deadlock of votes it looks like he's trying to toss some suspicion...

Really?? Do explain this a little more, if you wouldn't mind. Also, why have you been so quiet toDay? Rather mysterious, shifty, Wolfish behavior if you ask me. Care to explain?

[Lariren Shadow]

Well then, I have no idea if retracting votes is allowed, but

--Shasta

I don't really want to vote for him, mostly because that was just a "aaaahhhh deadline" decision.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sorry had work then RCIA classes(where's Formy when you need him?)

If my fiance doesn't take the computer to work Friday I'll be on quite a bit as I'm off from work.

[Morsul the Dark]

Tie is never mentioned in the thread. however Tradition states in the case of ties the person who First got the votes gets lynched,,, and even if for some unknown reason Both people are lynched I'm still gone... Thirdly... well there is no third.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Tie is never mentioned in the thread. however Tradition states in the case of ties the person who First got the votes gets lynched,,, and even if for some unknown reason Both people are lynched I'm still gone... Thirdly... well there is no third.

Well some mods do a coin toss, and others (who are weird ) like to do the last person to receive vote count as the lynchee. Each mod is different.


Erm, I feel squicked by this now. I'm going to think for a couple minutes.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'll take down my Grimoire post... but I'm copying it ready to paste it

[satansaloser2005]

I face a dilemma.

I'm a bit of a meta-brain by nature and I won't lie about it. I keep meta-stuff out as much as possible, but I can't get rid of it now. Anyway, the point is that I'm trying to decide whether or not to seal Morsul's fate. Here's some questions.

Should we keep him around? If so, why? Why not?
How does the hunter in this game even work? (Obviously a question for Gwath.) Does he take down anyone, or just a wolf?
If he's really the hunter why hasn't he told us his target?
Why did he not speak up sooner? (And did he really have the chance? And should he even?)
Is it completely wrong to lynch him now?
Am I insane? (Please leave this one blank.)

ETA: x'd with Morsul. Am I being a complete cow or is this bothering anyone else? I'm so bloody confused lol.

[satansaloser2005]

It'll drive me bonkers otherwise.

Morsul, tell us who your pick is at least. If I don't hear a worthwhile case for why I should save you in the next five minutes or so you're dying.

[satansaloser2005]

*taps screen*

Erm, hello? Is anyone out there?

*whimpers*

Mummy, I'm scared of the dark. Don't leave me all alone.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm here... I know not much comfort

[Isabellkya]

It looks from the narration like Sandy was going to get shot, until a person on a motorcycle interceded. Since there was no death, it looks like a Ranger save. It also looks like Sandy aka Sally was the intended target. Then further down it says the personal pronouns are for ease of narration. I assume in regards to the savior biker? Since Sandy was referred to by name, and not by gender alone? Or was the name picked by random, and we're just thirsty for narration information.

All of these pickle references. Talking about them on the thread, and I keep seeing commercials for them. Though for Vlasic, which those are just.. ewww.

I disagree that it would be "in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention." in regards to killing their lovers. It seems like a mighty large trail that they would be leaving behind. I can't imagine them being such generous (and obvious,) Hansel and Gretels.

Originally Posted by loslote

Questioning how Wilwa knew there would be no wolf/gifted pairings; banter with Izzy. This also says nothing. "You're maybe right, but I don't know how you could be so sure." Maybe, but maybe not.

That wasn't banter with me. That was towards Rikae and her reveal of the two of us as lovers/PMPals.

My vote upon Shasta was half random and half tradition. I didn't have a suspect, and I didn't want to vote for someone whom already had a vote. Day ones don't really come with loads of information, especially slow days - so they are essentially random. So somewhere along the werewolf playing line, voting for Shasta on day one became a tradition, a habit. Not one hundred percent of the time, but a high percentage.

If Sally was indeed the target for the wolves, then it pretty much clears her as being one of them. Wolves don't attack their mates during the Night. At least, I can't recall it ever happening purposely.. Here, we don't have Bus Drivers and list switchers, so that rules out that option.

I took what Inziladun said, as looking at what Sally said on Day One, to see what would've made her a tasty looking morsel for the wolves?


alonariel
In #102
Have to say I think the Ranger save last Night gives us a shot at winning this game! And besides, who would keep us all entertained around here if Sally were gone?

- I assume you are saying that Sally was the wolves' choice?

yet in #139
Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?


In #141
Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.


- Why are you flipflopping?

[Morsul the Dark]

I would not reveal my target because if I did and it were an innocent of course the wolves would kill me anyway.. otherwise they would leave me alone and I know... or think I know a probable wolf. being a revealed huner just might add to your annoyance and most importantly I got three votes within a half hour there was no time to defend myself really...


That answer your questions?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I would not reveal my target because if I did and it were an innocent of course the wolves would kill me anyway.. otherwise they would leave me alone and I know... or think I know a probable wolf. being a revealed huner just might add to your annoyance and most importantly I got three votes within a half hour there was no time to defend myself really...


That answer your questions?

Yes, but if you're killed toDay and you've chosen someone and they don't die we have a known innocent, which in a game this small can mean a lot if they're kept alive even for a Day or two. And if you think you've got a wolf you may as well say it because they'll go down with you. You're not helping your case, mate.

[Morsul the Dark]

Glirdan would be my target. But if he's innocent two things could happen... one they take me out with the innocent therefore losing you two maybe three people(considerring tonight's outcome)

Or they leave me alone we think Glirdan is a wolfbecause of it and lose him tomorrow then they kill me off with hopefully an innocent and that's pretty much the end of the game

And If he's a wolf they leave me alive till the end knowing my track record of lousy votes.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Plgh. I keep thinking that deadline is at nine, not in less than ten minutes.

Ahh, okay. I must've missed that. I suppose I should clarify. What is your opinion on her vote reasoning. As she essentially voted for one whom came online, noticed lack of posts, then didn't contribute to the post count number. Which you are condemning me for mentioning. xD

I've got to vote now.
++Shasta

Somewhat random. I know he can contribute more, Mister!

X'd with Glirdan and mistyped Shasta's name.

Has she ever mentioned Shasta before? Not that I saw, at least, but I could be mistaken. Izzy? Or it's a gutfeeling, random vote, which, although not horrible, isn't great either. Not picking up too much here.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Ah! Deadline?!

++Shasta

Really, just pulling a name out here.

She didn't cross with Izzy. If dl really was right when she posted, she would have cemented Shasta's death. If it weren't a hasty, random vote, it would look pretty bandwaggony. But it was a hasty and random vote, so I don't know what to think. She later says:

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Well then, I have no idea if retracting votes is allowed, but

--Shasta

I don't really want to vote for him, mostly because that was just a "aaaahhhh deadline" decision.

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

So for right now, Lari looks suspicious to me, but Izzy doesn't really. Izzy could easily change; Lari not so much.

[Loslote]

Probably Guilty
Zil
Lari

Possibly Guilty
Shasta
Izzy

Not a Clue
Nog
Rikae
Alona

Possibly Innocent
Wilwa

Probably Innocent
Sally
Lottie (Nore of a definitely, but I'm not going to bother making a new heading.)

Well, alright then. Probably going to vote Zil or Lari, but could be persuaded to vote Shasta, or Izzy. I will not vote Wilwa, Sally, or myself, and it would take a seer reveal or something similar to make me vote Nog, Rikae, or Alona.

EDIT: xed with Alona and Sally - yay!

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

Though I've only played with Lari in one game before, I know she's the type - like me - to make on-the-spot decisions when a DL is close. I can see how you might suspect her, but I think it was just an honest mistake on her part. The DL was 9PM last game, 8PM this game then changed to 10PM a few hours before the DL yesterDay. Even I'm confused a little there.