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I expect Ibrin has the right of it.
Although perhaps the Gladden Fields were more marshy and thus impassable on the Western side, making it a sensible idea to go along the Eastern bank of the Anduin. As long as no interference from Dol Guldur was expected. Of course at this stage it was still Amon Lanc, and Sauron had not yet occupied the place.
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In LOTR we see it apparently acting in answer to other wills in concert with it, while they are in its vicinity. An example might be it slipping onto Frodo's finger at the Prancing Pony, in order to reveal itself. However, would the Ring be capable of planning Isildur's route for him, knowing some of Sauron's forces would be waiting for the Dúnedain hundreds of miles away? The Orcs that ambushed him were part of a small, forgotten detachment, whose sole purpose seems to have been to waylay any enemies they outnumbered. Possibly, but they still could have made use of Khazad-dûm or the Redhorn Gate and avoided the Gladden Fields entirely.
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I wouldn't say it was Isildur's pride which led him to pick his route, and I would not overestimate the sway the Ring may have played.
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Are we asking why Isildur, when under attack, went for a swim? Or why he was doing his Middle Earth victory lap? If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent?
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I don't think any race of middle earth is a fan of water as far as swimming is concerned - elf, man and hobbit all meet watery fates - the only successful swimmer I can think of is Gollum!
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Now, it can certainly be argued that if he hadn't gone for a swim in the Anduin, the Ring would not have been lost, and the whole of Third Age Middle-earth history would have been re-written. Fair enough. Be that as it may, I simply don't see any likely reason why he chose the route he did. If the Ring itself played a part, why didn't Isildur's Men, and especially his sons, question his decision to journey east of the Anduin? Going on the western side would have put them nearer the Mountains, and in a position where they could have received help from Lórien and Khazad-dûm. And as I said earlier, there was the Redhorn Gate that they could easily have used to pass the Mountains.
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Isildur would have known that Thranduil and the Elves from the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood had taken the same route on their homeward journey, east of the Anduin, not long before. It was therefore reasonable to expect that the route would be safe.
One thought though - why didn't Isildur use a palantir to scout the route ahead ? |
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I don't think they could be used like that.
Palantiri were not really portable and couldn't see in the dark. Even if he had looked at the Orthanc stone it wouldn't tell him where the orcs would be days later.
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