Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

First sentence is what I'm looking at. And this may get me alot of scrutiny but a Seer is really only useful if they've revealed. I mean a Seer could dream of 3 wolves and then die before saying anything, and then what good were their dreams? Unless they left really awesome hints, but even those can be hard to catch and are risky, especially if the dream was for a wolf. So a Seer reveal is actually almost necessary for them to be helpful. Yeah, it's way better later on in the game then on Day 1 when they've only have one dream, but to be "entirely unnecessary" is kind of rediculous, it's actually usually necessary at some point.

All I meant by that was that with luck, we could get the wolves without the drama of a Gifted reveal. I wasn't saying the Seer should never reveal.

I'll go ahead and make a couple of votes now.

++Nog

Still don't see anything wrong with him, and he can be quite valuable.

++Pitch

He's made some decent points toDay, and I don't see why he should go just yet.

[Loslote]

I trust Pitchie more or less, but don't really want to vote him. He seems to be getting enough votes to be safe for toDay - I think I'll leave it at that and vote someone I don't want to die but doesn't have many votes.

...and back to watching guys pummel each other (read, playing Blockus while friends who actually care watch the TV).

[the phantom]

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyone who doesn't know the current score of the Super Bowl should die.

Oh yeah. That's on, isn't it.

Saints versus... somebody?

That Tony guy isn't playing, right?

[Eönwë]

Bohemian (Villager's) Rhapsody


Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught i-in werewolf
An escape from reality
Starts all your posts
Look at narrations; see
I'm just a villager (Villager)
I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
Little high, little low
Any way the wind blows
Doesn't really matter 'long as wolves lose

Sally, just killed a Gwath
Di'nt put a gun against his head
Voted indirectly, now he's dead
Sally, the game has just begun
But have I gone and thrown it all away?
Sally, oo-oo-ooh
Didn't mean to be boring
If I'm not back again this time toMorrow
Carry on, carry on as long we lynch more wolves

Too late, my time has come
To vote who I want to keep
I need to go to sleep
Goodbye, everybody
I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and wait and see
Sally, oo-oo-ooh
I don't want to die
Never wish I hadn't signed up at all

*Guitar Solo*

I see a little silhouetto of a wolf
Ra-anger, Ra-anger, will you please make a save
Werewolves in the Ni-ight, very very frightening me
(Oh the see-er) Oh the see-er (Oh the see-er) Oh the see-er, Oh the see-er dream a wolf
Oh please toNi-i-i-ight!
I'm just a villager nobody loves me
He's just a villager in a game of werewolf
Spare him his life from toDay's lynching

Easy come, easy go, will you not let me go?
Oh Sally! No, we will let you go
Don't let him go
Oh Sally! We will not let you go
Don't let him go
Oh Sally! We will let you go
Don't let me go (Will will let you go)
Don't let me go (We will not let you go) (Never, never, never, never)
Don't let me go, o, o, o, o
No, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, no
(Oh mama mia, mama mia) Mama Mia, don't let me go
Lord Sauron has the werewolf put aside for me, for me, for me!

So you think you can lynch me and spit in my eye
So you think when I argue I need to die
Oh, village, can't do this to me, village
Don't wanna get out, don't wanna get right outta here

*Guitar Solo*

Everything matters
Anyone can see
Everything matters
Everything matters to me

And I hope we lynch wolves...

edit: fixed spelling

[Nogrod]

The votes thus far...

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa
Izzy

Glirdan
wilwa (2)
Nog (2)

wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)

Zil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Leaving Brinn, Rune and Form without a vote yet.



Okay, I can see what you mean Rune...

But then again I think I have been the most vocal person on demanding people to suspect others (and done that) and not only speculate on whom to trust - and then you're grumpy with what I do?

Yes and I do like this facet of this game set-up: the silent people are forced to the fore. Just to my taste. At last a game where everyone needs to play and not just parasite their way to the victory while those who play lynch each other first!

On the other hand - the other side of the coin - it's annoying how people are soo agreeable as so few dare to suspect others - especially those who have openly trusted them - as they think that being popular to get the votes means to be nice to everyone.

So I'd say let's concentrate on those who are so nice to have around this time. They're probably the guys who stab us in the back at Nights. In this game I find that scenario especially relevant.

Let me give you an example, with your words:

Originally Posted by Rune

I don't understand why he is so trusting of Nogrod. He argues that he follows Nogrods reasoning and that he likes that a known innocent did not suspect Nogrod. I can understand that they can be contributing factors, but it is way too weak for trusting a person.

That's exactly why I feel that Glirdan is up to no good. I mean yeah, it's nice to be trusted, especially when you think people ought to, and it may be he is just an innocent trusting me? But really, it's so overdone I can smell a rat!


I hope you all thought again why people who say they trust you say that! Don't let the good feeling distract you. The wolves have to make you feel good. Remember that.

EDIT: x'd with a host of posts

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Lets hope you are right Nogrod, personally I think that the wolves will find other ways to stay parasites. If we end up automatically killing the silent ones, they will just hide in plain sight.

It is possible to be vocal without actually leaving much for analysis.

[wilwarin538]

votes so far:

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
Wilwa (3)
Izzy

Glirdan
Wilwa (4)
Nog (2)

Wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)

Inzil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

To make Alona's life a bit easier. *snuggles*

x'ed since Nog, who beat me too it

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,

- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.

I'm going to repeat what I said on Day One– the Night posting shouldn't be taken as evidence either way, and I think that still holds even though we now know one of them was a wolf.

I could imagine one wolf doing it as a trick, perhaps, but two makes it a pack-strategy– which seems awfully silly. So if another Night-poster is a wolf, it's probably because of a communication breakdown, like maybe they weren't allowed to pm each other. I hadn't thought of that when I first said it wasn't likely to be a mistake.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

My mother's lasagna is cutting my reading short, so I only got to the first few posts of page 4. But here is what I had quoted and my thoughts:

Why is that fishy? I was replying to Nogrod, who was talking about how we would adjust to the altered game-mechanics, and gave a hypothetical Seer-reveal as an example.

I believe that's what Zil here is also referring to:

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Now, this is a weird little assertion from Glirdan:

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group

Huh? Why?

EDIT:X'd with a whole lot of people.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here are my groupings...

Tend to trust now:

Form - as I said, I couldn't think he would knowingly post at Night to make himself look better etc.
Pitch - brave enough to make a fight in a popularity-contest. And his defence looked genuine enough to me.
Rune - more or less like with Pitch, didn't try to butter-up but was open and straight - even if I'd like to hear more from him... (and shares my suspicions)

On the better side:

Dun - makes good points, bah, I don't know, I get a good feeling about him (even if he voted me ).
Lottie - the voice of reason around: not controversial but still someone I'd like to have around.

The one's I have problems with identifying them this or that way:

Brinn - little time to post it seems, but still a bit too smooth to my taste - even if toDay has been better than yesterDay; her last vote didn't exactly made me feel good about her.
Fea - the enigma: either she just plays it for fun (don't we all?) or then she's a really nassty wolf with a super arrangement with her fellows (thus probably wilwa & Izzy).
Nerwen - cool and collected as ever - and I like her level-headedness - but she's been a bit too careful as well; and if Izzy is a wolf then her vote is really looking bad (if she isn't, then it's a new situation)
Steve - little by little I'm learning to appreciate his argument with me yesterDay... he's not trying to play it so smooth as some others and that I think is a good thing, but I do not trust him either as I think his arguments yesterDay were forced and wrong and maybe he just corrected his approach to suit the general feeling for toDay?
Wilwa - seems to enjoy her trusted-place a bit too much, and I'm a bit amazed where all that trust comes from; not that I'd see any alarming bells ringing while looking at her posting (unless the general love and happiness -stuff she seems to overdo - and which in this game is especially suspicious), so I can't see the reasons for such amount of trust either. Something fishy there?

Suspicous:

Glirdan - it's nice to be trusted but sometimes it just feels overdone - like with Glirdy - so trying to be too nice?
Izzy - "let's not lynch anyone", the comment on Nienna's death, the bandwagon to save her... I do still see that the evidence points towards her the most even if her few latest posts have been quite honest looking.


Okay. Things happening while I was writing this. Needs to check the situation and then vote...

[Nogrod]

The votes thus far...

Pitch
Eönwë
Lottie
Nerwen
Fea

Lottie
Zil
Nog
Glirdy

Fea
wilwa
Izzy
Nerwen (2)

Glirdan
wilwa (2)
Nog (2)

wilwa
Pitch
Fea (2)
Form

Zil
Nog (3)
Pitch (2)

Brinn
Izzy (2)

Rune
Fea (3)
wilwa (3)

Leaving Brinn and Rune without a vote yet.


EDIT: WHAT? I don't quite get that...

[Nogrod]

Well, I need to go to sleep anyhow - even if this is now killing me! What's going on?

Anyway, if Pitch is dead because of Form being Nienna's lover and taking a revenge, there's no sense in voting him - or Form to that matter (as then following the normal rules Form would be dead as well after taking the revenge).

So my votes will be:

++ Rune
++ Inzil
++ Lottie

I have to think about the fourth for just a moment...

[Eönwë]

Ok, now for a list:

Trust more than the others

Pitch- Makes good points and isn't afraid to go against the flow, which makes him seem innocent to me.

Nerwen- Speaks sense on the whole.


Not likely to be evil

Fea- Seems innocent, but has said almost nothing that is useful. She could say anything, and still be counted as innocent, and this is slightly worrying. Though for now I'm inclined to believe she's innocent.

Brinn- Makes good points and doesn't seem to be hiding anything.

Nog- He does make good points and does make sense. Even though I disagreed with his suggestion, I think he was going the right way about this game. However, I do think he is a little too trusted it might be useful to look at him toMorrow when I'm less tired.


Not sure

Wilwa- Seems good all round. And this is slightly worrying me because I can't seem to see her as evil.

Form- Has said very little.

Inzil- I never know what to think of him, and he's as mysterious as ever. But at the moment, I'm leaning innocent on him.


Need to look at
Rune- Hasn't said very much of substance so far, but I because he's having problems accessing the internet I think I'll give him the benefit of a doubt for now.

Glirdan- Seems suspicious yesterDay, but he's improved toDay. He's probably realised this and tried to appear better toDay. Whether this is because he's innocent or a wolf I don't know.


Suspicious of
Lottie- I don't know. On the one hand she seems to be helpful, but on the other hand she seems too good. Maybe a wolf trying to look like the perfect ordo? Also, though she has talked a lot, she has yet to post a list explaining what she thinks of everyone. I originally put her in the "Need to look at" category, but while writing this have moved her.

Izzy- She seems to be posting many good points and making a lot of sense without wasting too many posts or words. However, even though she yesterDay said we wouldn't need Nog's fake votes because of lists, she still hasn't provided us with a list of her own, and this seems suspicious to me.

edi: x-ed with many many posts

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Lottie- I don't know. On the one hand she seems to be helpful, but on the other hand she seems too good. Maybe a wolf trying to look like the perfect ordo? Also, though she has talked a lot, she has yet to post a list explaining what she thinks of everyone. I originally put her in the "Need to look at" category, but while writing this have moved her.

I posted that list way early in the Day, back on page 6, I think. I'll repost it taking new stuffs into consideration...although I might go mingle with guests real quick first.

[Eönwë]

So now that Pitch is gone I think I'll vote for:

++Nerwen

++Fea

I need to think about the others...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Glirdan- Seems suspicious yesterDay, but he's improved toDay. He's probably realised this and tried to appear better toDay. Whether this is because he's innocent or a wolf I don't know.

You think so? He seems to me just to be picking up on other people's suspicions, and then trying to carry them too far. Maybe just newbie-ness, but I don't find it helpful. And the comment about the Izzy-voters is, as I said, weird.

So–

++Brinniel Talks sense. True, she does that whatever she is, but I'd not like to see her go yet.
++Izzy *shrugs* I just don't think she's a wolf, somehow.

I'll think about what to do with the other votes.

I'm sure I've X'd with everyone– got called to the phone before posting this.
EDIT:yes, X'd since Lottie at #324.

[Isabellkya]

Glirdan, how did Form go from unsure to suspect?

Pitch, is there a reason that you called Rune and Form lurkers? I don't think Form has posted yet toDay. Do you know something we don't?

I'm off to dinner, shall be back with at least an hour before deadline.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I guess Glirdan is my top suspect at the moment, the problem for me is that I am not quite sure if it is because of wolfish behaviour, or if it has more to do with me disagreeing with him. I blame this new way of voting!

I do aknowledge that Glirdan has contriubted with some analysis of day 1 action. . . but it is not something that makes him look innocent.

I don't understand why he is so trusting of Nogrod. He argues that he follows Nogrods reasoning and that he likes that a known innocent did not suspect Nogrod. I can understand that they can be contributing factors, but it is way too weak for trusting a person. Also he does not think that Nogrod would be so "obvious" as a wolf. . . Really!?

Also his reasoning about Form seem very weird. . . I simply cannot see a Wolf-Form acting so clumpsy and being so attached to a packmate at this stage in the game.

He seems like he is trying too hard to find reasons to trust Nogrod and it makes me think "wolf"

Eonwe is another person that does not sit right with me. . .but then again, he never does. He seemed kind of defensive and that always gets attention, but many innocent have been overly defensive. Yeah I don't know

[Nogrod]

Care to elaborate what you mean Rune, and sorry if I'm after some logic here...

Originally Posted by Rune in #274

We do seem to have lost sight of our goal. . . Some people are doing some very nice analyzing, but it seems to be used for finding Simons and not for hunting wolves.

Originally Posted by Rune in #274

I think our succes in this game will rely on having active leaders (simons), unless we can come up with some other system of voting.

You're driving me mad guys! I'm seeing wolves everywhere... like several different pictures of the situation that are not compatible.

What makes me a bit uneasy with the Izzy-voting is that the last votes for her (eg. Brinn and Nerwen) look the more suspicious ones as both Inzil and Eönwë had actually stated earlier they were seeing Izzy quite more the innocent. And the two ladies waited up to the last minute. That of course is based on the idea that Izzy is a wolf. Her suggestion that we don't lynch anyone on D1, her odd semi-praise for Nienna toDay & the fact she was spectacularly saved at the last minute make me suspect her still. But yes, happily this is no lynch-vote contest...

If Izzy is innocent then the situation understandably will be different. What Fea said is noteworthy and we should bear it in mind.

Although, from yet another angle: with that boldness Fea, Izzy & wilwa would probably have called the seer to check them, so maybe they're not wolves? Or just super-bowl... erm, super-bold wolves?

Blah.

A short pause. Then a list of some sort and thought for my votes - and to sleep.


EDIT: x'd from tp on...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Care to elaborate what you mean Rune, and sorry if I'm after some logic here...

I think there is a good opportunity that we will end up with non-suspects in danger of being lynched, this might happen because we are voting focusing most on simons rahter than who actually get lynched. I belive that people who aren't very vocal are likely to get fewer votes that people with strong opinions, thus there are a chance of them getting lynched, not because they are wolves, but because they are not that visible in the game.

So I was thinking that we need simons that activly saves people.

Maybe I am panicing without reason, lets hope.