Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*snuggles Agent Es*

*winks suggestively at Agent Teepee*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

*snuggles Agent Es*

*winks suggestively at Agent Teepee*

*considers prematurely announcing a winner*


Agent TeePee. Can I start calling you that now, Phantom?

[the phantom]

That is, in fact, my adopted Native American name (they made me switch it from the first one I picked, Sacapotatoes, brother of Sacajawea).

[Loslote]

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves.

2. Sorry about not using my last vote yesterDay. Superbowl ended, so my friends woke from their stupor and demanded conversation.

[Brinniel]

Wow, I seriously was not expecting to survive yesterDay..

++Izzy

++Inziladun

You guys better thanks these two for saving me because if they hadn't, you would've lynched an innocent rather than a wolf. I really can't see a reason why a wolf would choose to save me and sacrifice their mate, especially considering they had already lost one mate the Night before. Which is why I trust these two; I'll be very surprised if they turn up evil as that would've been quite a risky move.

Sorry to say that you won't be seeing much of me toDay. I've got to go to bed shortly and tomorrow I've got classes all day, so most likely you won't see me again until the last hours of the Day. I figured I might as well get half my votes in now since I already made up my mind on them. I'll be sure to use my other two later so I don't get modfired.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves.

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

Moddess, do I have to use up my votes from yesterDay, or do I still have 4 as usual?

EDIT:X'd with Brinn.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Maybe there's a secret special role that's immortal, or something.

I wouldn't put it past Sally. She did in her last game, with Mith and Nilp, didn't she? (I wasn't here then, and I read through it a while ago, my memory might be faulty.)

[Nerwen]

Anyway, may I suggest that, once we've had our fill of snuggling we start looking for Glirdan and Mira's packmates?

WW history tells us that many a village has perished through getting too complacent with a couple of wolves in the bag.

EDIT:X'd with Lottie. Well, there you go.

[Loslote]

#26: Agrees with Nerwen; says that there's probably at least one Night-Posting Wolf. (True)

#28 says good-bye.

#37 responds to Rune saying that he only thinks there is one Night-Posting Wolf (hereafter refered to as NPW, just sos I can feel all smart), but that there may be more than one.

In #89 he complains about being lynched Day 1 last game, then "votes" Nog without highlighting. Personally, I don't think he would forget something so obvious. Since at that point, I don't think anyone else had voted, he might have been trying to use Nog's reputation to bolster his own without actually doing anything to help him out.

#208: Doesn't say much; 'yays' over Mira's death.

#209, #212, and #214 look at the dead people's posts: Mira, Nienna, and Gwath. He says Form could be suspicious in #209, then says that he might not be in #214, and ends up deciding that he's Unsure. Interesting... He also says that he thinks Nog is innocent. This could be more "hey I think Nog's innocent don't I rock??? ps don't lynch me" stuff.

#217 says that he's off to bed but should be more active.

#246: Wavers on Nog but thinks he's innocent; banters with Wilwa.

#249: A list. His "trust" group seems to be mostly names that everyone, more or less, considered basically innocent: Wilwa, Fea, Nog, Pitchie. There could be one wolf in there. We know it's not Pitchie, and if it were Nog, I don't think he would have been so obvious with his trust, considering he's always talking about how much he trusts Nog. Which leads me to think Wilwa or Fea...which I find disturbing, since they're pretty widely regarded as innocent. More about that in my next post.

#278: More Nog's innocent talk. Really, does he ever say anything else? Oh, later on he does ... agree with Nog. Man. Glirdy seems to be sucking every last scrap of Nog-reputation he can get, doesn't he?

In #284 he votes for Wilwa and - you guessed it - Nog. Perhaps aware that a non-vote wouldn't fly twice, he highlights this time. As for the votes themselves, he (of course) votes Nog, and then votes Wilwa. I think it would be interesting to look at a Glirdy-Wilwa connection...we might just find something.

He votes again in #330 after expressing "astonishment" at Pitchie's death. He votes Fea, and one of his reasons was that she made a good choice as to who she used her Simon votes on - Wilwa.

#344: "Suspects" Formy, but is unsure. More about Nog.

#365: Restates that he thinks there's a wolf among the Izzy voters; votes me. I think at this point he knew there was a good chance he would be lynched, and was trying to cut all ties to his packmates. That probably means that, while there still might be a wolf among the Izzy voters, it's not very likely.

#383 asks for confirmation that he'd been lynched.

~~~

Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

EDIT: xed with Brinn and Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

I'm sure we'll find out what actually happened with the no-kill for certainty at the end of the game. Could've been forgetful wolves, or could've been The One Hit Wonder. Who knows, save for Miss Moddess; and of course the wolves would probably have an inkling.

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.


x'd with Nerwen and Loslote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

a note/question or two that I made after Glirdan's lynching.

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

You know, the more I think about it, the more Wilwa looks iffy. Who did she vote before that? Fea and Form. Fea's been the amusing innocent the whole game - has anyone ever suspected her? I don't think so. A very safe vote. This is not to say I suspect her. Actually, I'm pretty sure she *is* innocent, which is why the fact that Wilwa and Glirdy both voted for her is a bit suspicious.

[Isabellkya]

Votes as they were made, so ... kind of messy. In a sense.

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

Glirdan 2
Brin 3
Eonwe 3
Form 3
Izzy 4
Loslote 4
Nog 4
Rune 4
Nerwen 5
Zil 5
Fea 6
Wilwa 6


x'd with Loslote and fixed tags, strike through doesn't work?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I'm still.. confused as to why [Loslote] suspects Rune, and to some extent Eonwe. I don't think there were any explanations as to why people moved on her list, or as to their placement.

Along those lines, I'm curious as to why, when I commented on many accepting Form as an innocent without any moddess confirmation:

Originally Posted by me

Seems a lot were quick to assume so.

Loslote's response was this:

Originally Posted by Loslote

It was not an assumption, it was a conclusion drawn after analysis looking at both possibilities. It does look like he's innocent, though.

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

[Nerwen]

Back again... I had to go out before.

Interesting points on Lottie from Izzy and Zil. She's also had both known wolves vote for her– although, with everyone having four votes, and her being very active this game, that may not mean anything.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

[wilwarin538]

Quick responses, then off to school. Should be around randomly throughout the day since I don't listen in class ^_^

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

*snuggles myself, for I am the best and the snuggliest*

agrees

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. If it wasn't a Ranger kill...are we blessed with really lazy werewolves who forgot to send in a kill or something? If so, my thanks, Wolves.

OR, our Moddess is Sally. Whatever the reason it's just really awesome. Perhaps because there was a revenge kill that was an innocent?

Originally Posted by Loslote

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Formy and Wilwa look pretty bad to me, but I don't *want* to suspect Wilwa. She seems so helpful...although thinking about it, I can't remember why, she just seems good. Huh.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Wilwa, you said that you wanted to trust Glirdan, but said you'd stay neutral on him; yet earlier had stated that you felt good about him. So how does a neutral get a vote from you?
Also, you ended up voting for Rune. Why him over Nog and Loslote whom had been higher on your trust list? Whenyou'd stated that your last would go to Nog, Loslote, or Glirdan.

K, to answer both of these. Glirdan and I always suspect each other for some screwed up reason, and when we do we are always wrong. So I was trying not to suspect him because I figured it was just out of habit and nothing concrete (I think he was attempting to do the same thing, and now I see that he was probably just trying to get my trust, and I'm angry that I didn't just go after him like always). It's also his first real game in forever (since he died first day on the last one) and I kinda wanted him to stay around for a little while. I also didn't want all my votes yesterDay to go to all the same people as the Day before, and Nog and Lottie seemed like they were going to be fine, they were getting a fair amount of trust and I believe already had a few votes (Lottie also had that bonus vote). So I decided to vote for some people who didn't have too many, and who I didn't necessarily want to see lynched.

As I see it our votes don't all have to go to people we completely trust. If mine had I probably would have voted for all the same people I had the Day before and what fun is that? So I think some votes can go for people that you don't necessarily *trust* but also don't really suspect and want to have lynched. Just the way I see it.

I'll be back in a couple of hours, once I get to school.

x'ed with Nerwen

[wilwarin538]

Here are the votes from the Day before the Night where the Cursed was chosen:

Brinn - 4
Fea - 6
Form - 3
Glirdan - 2
Izzy - 4
Lottie - 4
Nerwen - 5
Nog - 4
Pitch - 2
Rune - 4
Steve - 3
Wilwa – 6
Zil - 5

Here is a list of everyone left:

Nerwen
Lottie - Wolf
Fea - Seer
Rune
Eonwe
Inzil
Wilwa - Innocent
Izzy - Innocent
Form - Presumed Innocent because of Lovers (people may disagree with this assumption, but it's what I think)

Now I know I still want to think Inzil innocent because of what Form said about Nienna's Hunt choices, but that happened before the Cursed so he may not be innocent anymore.

That leaves us with Nerwen, Rune, Steve and Inzil. Looking at the votes from the Day before that Night, and *assuming* the wolves may have chosen someone who had a fair number of votes, therefore a lot of trust and less likely to be lynched. Then Nerwen or Inzil could be it. It's tough though, cause Wolves use different reasoning for everything. So I don't know if those votes will actually help....

Anyway, I'll likely vote for Fea, Izzy and Form. Fea can technically be Simon again. Not sure who my fourth will be.

x'ed with Inzil

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

That leaves us with Nerwen, Rune, Steve and Inzil. Looking at the votes from the Day before that Night, and *assuming* the wolves may have chosen someone who had a fair number of votes, therefore a lot of trust and less likely to be lynched. Then Nerwen or Inzil could be it. It's tough though, cause Wolves use different reasoning for everything. So I don't know if those votes will actually help....

Too big an assumption, I think. I mean, it's logical, and I wouldn't write off Zil as a non-wolf yet– but as you say yourself, being hard to lynch is only one reason people get Night-killed. In the case of Nienna and Brinn, at any rate, it looks to me like the wolves were after possible gifteds (actual, in Ni's case).

EDIT:X'd with Rune and Wilwa.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Too big an assumption, I think. I mean, it's logical, and I wouldn't write off Zil as a non-wolf yet– but as you say yourself, being hard to lynch is only one reason people get Night-killed. In the case of Nienna and Brinn, at any rate, it looks to me like the wolves were after possible gifteds (actual, in Ni's case).

I know. That's likely true. Votes are just easier for me to analyse for possibilities. I have no clue what the wolves might be seeing in peoples posts, especially with the votes working the way they are (with us all getting so many) quite a few people could have looked seer-ish to the wolves. I'm sure if we looked through everyone's posts close enough we could find something on everyone that makes them look like a gifted, it's all about what the wolves saw and what's going through their head. I never thought for a second that Brinn could be a gifted, so they obviously saw something I didn't see. Just like the first few Days I thought Nog might be gifted. See what I mean?

Gah. Why can't wolves just always kill people based on who's hardest to lynch? Would make my life so much easier .

x'ed with Nerwen and Rune, and maybe more back on page 14.

[Inziladun]

If you all don't think I'm necessarily on the level, perhaps you should ask yourselves why I was suspecting Lottie heavily yesterDay, and toDay also, before Fea's reveal.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Nerwen
Lottie - Wolf
Fea - Seer
Rune
Eonwe
Inzil
Wilwa - Innocent
Izzy - Innocent
Form - Presumed Innocent because of Lovers (people may disagree with this assumption, but it's what I think)

Now I know I still want to think Inzil innocent because of what Form said about Nienna's Hunt choices, but that happened before the Cursed so he may not be innocent anymore.

But it's same with you and Izzy. If you believe Form, why you should you two get the innocent label but not Inzil?

I don't like this at all...