Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

[wilwarin538]

A list in the order that I trust people:

Inzil
Fea
Form
Nerwen
Rune
Nog
Brinn
Lottie
Izzy
Eonwe

So I'll just vote now then, cause I don't really see these changing:

++Inzil - I see him as being a known innocent, considering what Form said about Nienna's hunt choices, and since I trust Form

++Fea - still trust her completely.

++Form - because of the Lover thing and even from before that I did as well

++Nerwen - someone who kind of went under my radar for a bit, but now I'd like to keep her around

I'll still be around randomly for the next hour or so between study times.

x'ed with Fea...interesting, would make sense, seems like something Sally would do...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

Ooh, that is something to consider. I hope it's not so, but it could very well be a possibility.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Or Brinn the master-wolf whom no one suspects as she's so sneaky. If she is a wolf her post toDay was a masterpiece, but not the first she has made. It looks quite calculated - or then I'm just reading too much into her.

You are reading too much into this. I made that post and the votes early because I said I wouldn't be around much during the Day. I don't understand how you can suspect me with one of the reasons being that no one has paid attention to my early post. No matter what my role is, I have no control over how people may react to my posts.

[Brinniel]

Lottie I'm torn about. On one hand, she hasn't sat comfortably with me all game...but then I have this feeling she just might be innocent after all.

The way Nogrod has gone about his suspicions toDay makes me a bit worried about him.

Still have a bad feeling about Eonwe, though I don't really yet have a reasoning for it.

Nerwen worries me simply because she has slid through the game quite smoothly so far, something she does very well at as a wolf. I would like to keep an eye on her.

I think we should spread the votes out a bit more, so perhaps I'll vote for Rune or wilwa. I don't really have an opinion of either, but I'm thinking there are better candidates for lynching.

[Brinniel]

Votes so far...

Brinn- 1
Dun- 6
Fea- 4
Form- 4
Izzy- 4
Lottie-
Nerwen- 3
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Why did you vote for Glirdan, Loslote? Or for any of the people whom you voted for?

In #215, you trusted Nog, Zil, Fea and were unsure, but leaned innocent on Wilwa, Glirdan, Nerwen, Pitch.

In #277 you voted for Zil, Glirdan, Nog

So how did the unsure Glirdan get voted for, above the trusted Fea?

I was skimming through the rest of your posts, to search for reasons as to why you voted how you did. And to be quite frank, I've noticed some blaring inconsistencies in your statements. I'll cover them in my next post, but right now my dogs are yipping and crying to go outside.

Nog and Zil looked innocent. (Still do, btw.) No one thought Glirdy looked innocent, and I didn't want to see a massacre of someone I didn't suspect.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Along those lines, I'm curious as to why, when I commented on many accepting Form as an innocent without any moddess confirmation:

Loslote's response was this:

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

No, I don't particularly suspect him. My comment was that, based on what Glirdy said, Formy or Wilwa could look bad, and I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Back again... I had to go out before.

Interesting points on Lottie from Izzy and Zil. She's also had both known wolves vote for her– although, with everyone having four votes, and her being very active this game, that may not mean anything.

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I am also curious about this, since Glirdy was far more adament about Nog's innocence then he was for mine.

oh, and

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Talk people, I'm in class here bored out of my mind, I need some action!

I'm gonna go make a new list, some people have shifted around a bit....

...um, exactly. I trust Nog *because* Glirdy was so adament. See above comment.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

With Izzy's last second vote for Brinn, which, as she would have thought, tied her with Glirdan, I'm quite comfortable with Izzy now.

Let's look at her vote tally from yesterDay.

I'm noting this:

Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog

this,

Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)

and this

Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Nog -> Form (2)

Here's what strikes me:

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

Yes. Yes it can.

EDIT: xed since 460

[Loslote]

++Nerwen

I'm pretty sure she's innocent.

++Fea

Even if she can't be Simon, she can still be innocent, and I trust her.

[Loslote]

Not voting for Wilwa. I think she's a wolf. Not voting for Rune. I still think he looks furry.

Izzy looks better to me, acutally maybe because she suspects me - for some reason, I tend to trust people who suspect me.

Brinn...I don't know. I haven't known all game. She always confuses me.

[Nogrod]

I'm just soo late from my sleeping time...

Take care you don't leave four unvoted persons as then we have no lynch. (when will the numbers change Sally?)

It's easy for everyone to vote the same the others have done *blames self as well* Look at that toMorrow.

And in general, look at those who do not suspect other people or only suspect those already under fire. You need to suffer suspicions on yourself as well and not take that to a principle of not voting that person just out of personal convenience.

If we fight all our own petty wars of survival we lose, if we look at it together we can manage.

So my last vote goes to...

++ Rune

He had problem with the net-access and I can see it has not helped him to gain on the confidence / popularity. But we need to get rid of a multiple numbers of even (non-)votes.

[Nogrod]

wilwa: you're not quoting me but someone else...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm just soo late from my sleeping time...

Take care you don't leave four unvoted persons as then we have no lynch. (when will the numbers change Sally?)

It's easy for everyone to vote the same the others have done *blames self as well* Look at that toMorrow.

And in general, look at those who do not suspect other people or only suspect those already under fire. You need to suffer suspicions on yourself as well and not take that to a principle of not voting that person just out of personal convenience.

If we fight all our own petty wars of survival we lose, if we look at it together we can manage.

So my last vote goes to...

++ Rune

He had problem with the net-access and I can see it has not helped him to gain on the confidence / popularity. But we need to get rid of a multiple numbers of even (non-)votes.

Go to bed, you silly child! *snuggles you*

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two

So much for wanting to trust me and thinking me innocent. This seems very much to me like noticing that everyone else isn't trusting me, and you hopping on board. It's so interesting that every time I'm innocent it's one little vote that I make, that I don't completely think through, that ends up getting me in trouble. Oh, and Nog saying I'm too helpful or nice, that usually does me in as well.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

You don't think it's possible, with Glirdan not being a n00b and all, that he was SO obvious about Nog that he'd knew we'd think it was too obvious? And with Nog being so against Glirdan trusting him it sets up pretty nicely to make Nog look good. Gwath's first try of his game Glirdan managed to get me lynched first Day, and I had suspected him just as fervently, as well as the second try (we were both innocent, both tries of the game). We both suspect each other all the time and we're always wrong since we're rarely wolves, so this game I wanted to cut him some slack (this was never talked about between us since we don't talk about games til they're over, but when I saw he was making an effort to trust me I figured I'd do the same for him, atleast at the beginning, and I've missed having him around the past 2 years so I wanted to keep him around for a bit) It just so happened to totally work against me.

I'm going to shut up now. I hate getting defensive. I know we can afford to lose a few days without lynching a wolf and still be fine since we're so far ahead, but I really hope you guys don't just let that happen toDay with me.

x'ed with a few
EDIT: had to fix quote from Nog to Lottie, sorry Nog, you were mentioned in the quote so I was confused

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

So much for wanting to trust me and thinking me innocent. This seems very much to me like noticing that everyone else isn't trusting me, and you hopping on board. It's so interesting that every time I'm innocent it's one little vote that I make, that I don't completely think through, that ends up getting me in trouble. Oh, and Nog saying I'm too helpful or nice, that usually does me in as well.

You don't think it's possible, with Glirdan not being a n00b and all, that he was SO obvious about Nog that he'd knew we'd think it was too obvious? And with Nog being so against Glirdan trusting him it sets up pretty nicely to make Nog look good. Gwath's first try of his game Glirdan managed to get be lynched first Day, and I had suspected him just as fervently, as well as the second try (we were both innocent, both tries of the game). We both suspect each other all the time and we're always wrong since we're rarely wolves, so this game I wanted to cut him some slack (this was never talked about between us since we don't talk about games til they're over, but when I saw he was making an effort to trust me I figured I'd do the same for him, atleast at the beginning, and I've missed having him around the past 2 years so I wanted to keep him around for a bit) It just so happened to totally work against me.

I'm going to shut up now. I hate getting defensive. I know we can afford to lose a few days without lynching a wolf and still be fine since we're so far ahead, but I really hope you guys don't just let that happen toDay with me.

1. What? I was the first one to even mention a Wilwa-suspicion, and now I'm hoppin on a bandwaggon?

2. Nice excuse. You've used it before. Are you really going to stick with meta-reasoning as your excuse?

3. That jumps out at me as a "oh I'm innocent don't lynch me" type statement. Don't tell us, show us.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

[alonariel]

Vote Count

Brinn:
Izzy
Zil
Form

Steve:
Zil
Izzy
Form
Fea

Wilwa:
Zil
Fea
Form
Nerwen

Nerwen:
Zil
Brinn

Nog:
Zil
Form
Izzy
Rune

Form:
Zil
Fea
Izzy
Nerwen

Lottie:
Nerwen
Fea

* * *

Izzy - 4
Zil - 6
Form - 4
Fea - 4
Nerwen - 3
Brinn - 1
Lottie - 0
Nog - 0
Rune - 1
Steve - 0
Wilwa - 0

[Brinniel]

Hmm...wilwa's last post doesn't sit with me too well. Hasn't she made a similar defense as a wolf before? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong person. But nevertheless, it's ringing my alarm bells. Her post just doesn't feel genuine to me.

++Rune

No idea what his role might be, but he hasn't really gotten a chance to play toDay and for now, I'd rather hear more from him than see him go.

EDIT: By last post, I mean #473. Major x-posting here.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

I was just thinking that myself... so we can't necessarily go on people's track records of seeming innocent. I mean, at least as far as who is "safe" to vote for. ToDay, though, I think it's more important to make sure one of the actually suspicious people does get lynched.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

Oh. Dear.

*deep sighs*

But isn't the One Hit Wonder supposed to be a good guy?

*crosses fingers it is supposed to be a good guy*

*crosses fingers, then, that it was the One Hit Wonder last night*

*glares at Sally for good measure*

++ Inziladun
++ Fea
++ Isabelkya
++ Nerwen

I'm not sold on Izzy or Nerwen being innocent, but they look better to me than the others...

...sorry, Rune.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

*glares at Sally for good measure*

I....love you?