T-I-G WW LXXIV: War of the Wolves

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I don't entirely like the fact that Wilwa seems like she is just going to skate to victory. She is not going to help either side, she is just going to vote for whomever she feels like.

You're wrong, I will help a side...eventually. I just don't know what side that's going to be yet, because it isn't clear yet which side has the advantage. I'm completely selfish, but that's the point of this role, I'm on my own side.

ToDay I'll likely just vote for the person who is clearly going to be lynched, that's probably the most neutral thing I can do. After toDay though, I don't know what'll happen. I'm just going with it...

I think anyone who got this role would be doing the same thing. Staying neutral, taking advantage of the fact that any side would be wasting a kill if they killed me, and waiting.


I get the distinct impression that the WereUnicorn has no desire to reveal. They're the one of the 4 wolves that really does not want to die. The other wolf team is probably even nervous about killing them, because it makes an innocent, and that sucks for them. So yeah, ideal situation for village, but not quite so much for wolvies.

But hey, you two innocents have a 4 in 5 chance of voting for a wolf. That's pretty sweet for you guys.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I get the distinct impression that the WereUnicorn has no desire to reveal. They're the one of the 4 wolves that really does not want to die. The other wolf team is probably even nervous about killing them, because it makes an innocent, and that sucks for them. So yeah, ideal situation for village, but not quite so much for wolvies.

Consider your choices again, taking the neutral path today could cause you to lose.

The fact of the matter is, since you're not a wolf, you're going to be expendable to both packs. It's true they might have bigger fish to fry, but if one of their own is in trouble they will lynch or kill you. You're going to be nothing more than a glorified cobbler in their eyes.

Where we can't do that, we literally can not lynch you. You may gain an advantage by siding with one of the packs, but there is no possible way to serve both. The pack you side with will use you until you are of no more use, if they have to kill you to win they're going to. And the pack that you don't side with, they aren't going to like you much either.

If you help us, it's true you might become wolf-meat, but you can rest assured you'll be on a side that won't betray you, for the fact that we NEED you to win, more than the wolves need you. And if you are wolf-meat at least you would leave the world knowing hapiness and love.

That's my please and best attempt, your choice now Wilwa.

With Nog greatfully finding 2 wolves, but destroying voting those 2 days, I haven't found much that stands out. TEW tried to clear Izzy's name based on Lommy's post, because of that, I don't think they're on the same team. Inzil then suspects TEW for trying to use Lommy's posts to clear Izzy. It would not surprise me if all three are wolves at this point.

Despite the odds, it's a rock and a hard place, because I can't decide whether TEW was genuinely helpful, or only trying to look helpful. I can't decide whether Inzil actually saw it as suspicious, or was trying to get attention turned on TEW for a lynch. And Izzy is the common link between the two.

I'll be here the rest of the day, so I can catch up on Pitch and Kit's posts, as both of them I've pretty much ignored/nothing has stood out so far.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Izzy

If the WereUnicorn would like to reveal, we could lynch them and just be done with it. As that would be perhaps the perfect scenario for toDay.

Originally Posted by wilwa

I get the distinct impression that the WereUnicorn has no desire to reveal. They're the one of the 4 wolves that really does not want to die.

You really think Izzy didn't know that? Of course the WU won't reveal. That's why it was a safe thing to say, with the benefit of making her look oh so very innocent, because obviously, a rival wolf wouldn't want any of the Unicorns to die (just yet).
And what was her point in dragging up the question of Lommy dreaming Nerwen again? If that has any bearing on the present situation, I don't see it.
Btw, talking of people who 'really don't want to die', that description seems to fit more than one person at the moment...

Boro gives me the impression that as long as wilwa helps him to lynch somebody, he doesn't care that much who it is. Does that sound innocent? Not really.

Among these people who have been posting in the last couple of hours, Kit looks like the only one who's still trying to think straight like I'd expect an innocent to rather than grasp for alliances or sow confusion. The only thing that worries me about her is the twisted reasoning for her Legate vote, but Nog's theory that she's the Aphid Seerwolf has obviously collapsed by now...

(x-ed with Boro- that's a little better...)

EDIT: pedantic bolding.

[Pitchwife]

Stupid me - while Kit can hardly be the Aphid Seer, she could of course be one of the remaining Ladybugs. As far as I could find, she didn't mention Lommy at all before she was outed and lynched; Lommy, on the other hand, placed her in the 'More good than bad' category... with Lommy's general vagueness, it's hard to tell whether she was protecting a packmate or buddying up to an innocent. But that way, Kit's twisted case against Legate suddenly makes sense.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by TEWie

I think I know who the wolves are. I'm guessing Inzy, Pitchwife, Kitanna and Boromir.

Taking for granted that wilwa=AL, OK, but what makes you so sure about Izzy's innocence?
My problem is that, assuming wilwa to be what she claims, three of the four people I thought most probably innocent before (Boro, Izzy, Kit, TEWie) must be wolves, so I can't trust my previous judgement anymore. TEWie doesn't seem to suffer from any similar uncertainty, which I find quite strange unless he's got some inside knowledge about Izzy's role.

Now can someone please talk so I won't quadruple-post? Holding monologues gets boring...

[satansaloser2005]

*did a little dance*

*made a little love*

*got dead last Night*

*erm....got re-dead last Night*


Apparently I'm supposed to entertain you? *shrugs* Dunno. It seems you're doing quite well amongst yourselves.

Also. Wilwa? I love you. (And muffins don't have frosting. Nyah.)


ETA: Also, I'm too lazy to do anything else, so blah. Sorry, Lottie dear. I have other havoc to wreak.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Consider your choices again, taking the neutral path today could cause you to lose.

The fact of the matter is, since you're not a wolf, you're going to be expendable to both packs. It's true they might have bigger fish to fry, but if one of their own is in trouble they will lynch or kill you. You're going to be nothing more than a glorified cobbler in their eyes.

Where we can't do that, we literally can not lynch you. You may gain an advantage by siding with one of the packs, but there is no possible way to serve both. The pack you side with will use you until you are of no more use, if they have to kill you to win they're going to. And the pack that you don't side with, they aren't going to like you much either.

If you help us, it's true you might become wolf-meat, but you can rest assured you'll be on a side that won't betray you, for the fact that we NEED you to win, more than the wolves need you. And if you are wolf-meat at least you would leave the world knowing hapiness and love.

That's my please and best attempt, your choice now Wilwa.

I think I need to clarify something:

I am not on a side.
I will never be on a side.
I will not "choose" a side.
I don't care who wins.
I just need to live.

So all of these speeches you're giving me to try to get me "on your side", are pointless. Cause I'm on my own, and will continue to be on my own. Though, I'll be honest, the villagers can't kill me, that would be beyond dumb; the wolves on the other hand, it would just be mostly dumb, so I'm terrified of them right now. Take from that what you will.

But thanks for all the attention Boro, it is making me feel quite loved.

x'ed with the homewrecker :P

[wilwarin538]

Sally:

Muffins are breakfast foods.
Breakfast = most important meal of the day.
Muffin = more important.

Cupcakes have sugar.
Sugar rots your teeth.
Cupcake = bad.

Give Phantom and Duck a *snuggle* for me.

[Pitchwife]

One thing that speaks against Izzy in my eyes is Legate's vote for her, at a point where he'd been outed by Nog and knew he was pretty much dead meat. Voting for a rival wolf or an innocent at this time would have been rather futile, as it was quite certain that nobody else would vote her, but as a move to make a packmate look better after his death, it would make sense.

Originally Posted by Kit

I have a question about the Unicorns. They die and an innocent comes back in their place, correct? Well then is it really in the villages best interest to lynch one either? An innocent comes back and in the case of the wereunicorn a wolf is knocked out too, but then we have a known innocent that could potentially be only useful for a day before they become a nighttime kill. Two days if the ranger survives and protects them, but as a known innocent they become a likely target at night. So is it really in anyone's best interest to kill the unicorns? Maybe I've misunderstood how this role works, but it seems like it'll only benefit the village for a short while before we get thrown into confusion again over roles.

I've been thinking about that too. The advantage for the village from the death of the innocent unicorn wouldn't be so big (except if Nog were revived to reveal his last dream), but lynching the WereUnicorn would get rid of a wolf + get one known innocent back, evening out the numbers.
It would of course make life easier for the Ranger to have a known fellow innocent instead of an unknown one.
And consider this: right now, there's seven of us; we'll lynch one person toDay, and with Nog removed for now, a double Night-kill has become much more likely.
If none of the Unicorns dies toNight, there'll be four left toMorrow. What makes you think this game will continue for more than two Days?

x-ed with 2 wilwas, 2 Lotties & 1 Kit

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What makes you think this game will continue for more than two Days?
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If the wolves go after the same kill it could potentially happen. I wasn't really thinking in terms of how many people we have left. Like i said, the role just confuses me. But I think my questions have been answered now.

So I realize I haven't really been able to keep up so well in this game. I usually have enough time to go over specific posts rather than all of them. It doesn't really provide the best basis for a vote, but a Kit has to work. That said, I was really only able to look at today's post and a few from yesterday.

++ Boro

He seemed level headed and helpful enough to start with. I liked that he didn't jump immediately into accepting Nogrod's seer claim and that he felt strongly enough to continue to defend it. Today, however, his pleas with Wilwa look none to right. His first one looked like he was trying to sweet talk her.

But then there's this:

The fact of the matter is, since you're not a wolf, you're going to be expendable to both packs. It's true they might have bigger fish to fry, but if one of their own is in trouble they will lynch or kill you. You're going to be nothing more than a glorified cobbler in their eyes.

Looks like he's saying "I can end you with one PM to our moddess tonight. Ally yourself with me toDay."

These posts look too far out of place for Boro and they don't look like the work of an innocent villager to me.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I just need to live.

Doesn't that usually herald a swift and painful death by night? Or so experience would have me believe.

I get the distinct impression that the WereUnicorn has no desire to reveal. They're the one of the 4 wolves that really does not want to die. The other wolf team is probably even nervous about killing them, because it makes an innocent, and that sucks for them. So yeah, ideal situation for village, but not quite so much for wolvies.

I have a question about the Unicorns. They die and an innocent comes back in their place, correct? Well then is it really in the villages best interest to lynch one either? An innocent comes back and in the case of the wereunicorn a wolf is knocked out too, but then we have a known innocent that could potentially be only useful for a day before they become a nighttime kill. Two days if the ranger survives and protects them, but as a known innocent they become a likely target at night. So is it really in anyone's best interest to kill the unicorns? Maybe I've misunderstood how this role works, but it seems like it'll only benefit the village for a short while before we get thrown into confusion again over roles.

Originally Posted by Boro

The fact of the matter is, since you're not a wolf, you're going to be expendable to both packs.

Is that a threat to get Wilwa on your side, Boro?

[wilwarin538]

Yeah, it'll only benefit for a while, but like if you guys for example are at 3 innocents, 2 wolves. Then the innocent unicorn dies you are at the same, but the new innocent will probably die soon, but atleast you're no further behind. If the wereunicorn dies then you're at 4 innocents 1 wolf. Even though that innocent will die soon, it's still giving you an advantage for a while.

Originally Posted by Kit

Doesn't that usually herald a swift and painful death by night? Or so experience would have me believe

Yes, it probably will. I just hope that the wolves realise that they have 3 other people out there that are more of a threat to them, and that I am a *potential* ally. So hopefully that's enough for them to choose to keep me around.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Yeah, it'll only benefit for a while, but like if you guys for example are at 3 innocents, 2 wolves. Then the innocent unicorn dies you are at the same, but the new innocent will probably die soon, but atleast you're no further behind. If the wereunicorn dies then you're at 4 innocents 1 wolf. Even though that innocent will die soon, it's still giving you an advantage for a while.

I suppose. I guess I just find the whole idea silly and baffling. *shrug* I'll just hide and pretend the unicorns don't exists and we just have wolf and innocent right now.

[Loslote]

*is not really here yet*

Nice, not-explodie snuggles for anyone who posts a vote count close to dl.

*snuggles Wilwuffin and Sally for being amusing*

[Loslote]

Oh, and RE: Is Uni helpful? ... you guys are missing one important question. Think about who might be Revived, considering that neither of the Lovers can.