WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Nerwen]

And in case it's not clear what I'm getting at in my last post: I wouldn't be surprised if Boro and Blind Guardian were packmates. It sort of looks that way. I mean she might be just a newbie who is grateful to him for being kind to her, and doesn't understand why he's suspicious, but still...

[satansaloser2005]

Quick announcement:

I'll be going to see Duck (and our friend the Right Honorable Guinea Pig, our cohort for most of our little adventures) this afternoon. They're all growed up. *sniff* Anyway, while I don't plan to be gone that long, I don't know what (if anything) we'll be doing, so I'm not sure when I'll be back once I leave. But don't worry, I'll be voting at some point, I swear. Otherwise Shasta's threatened me with a grisly death.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boro

Lottie, find someone else to execute. I voted for you because you had me thinking Rikae was in the game. I thought, I got to vote, Lottie's confusing me, if she's going to do that, that's the best thing I got. It's only a bandwagon because of coming after Glirdan's. I'll ask you since you apparently know me oh so well now after being PM buddies a whole 24 hours...do you really think as a wolf I would go for the easy Day 1 option? I can't help when I have to vote, but heck at least I do it. That's the only reason you have a reason to suspect me, unlike half the rest of this place.

In other words, Boro, you voted Lottie for the kind of trumped-up reason that actually looks worse than none at all– and I say this as one who is generally suspicious of random votes.

And I don't know about Lottie, but I do think you would go for an easy lynch. Why on Earth not?

[Blind Guardian]

Boy, I sounded like poop last night. I don't even remember posting half of that But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Boy, I sounded like **** last night. I don't even remember posting half of that But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

Blind, dear, you see those asterisks? That means you shouldn't be using that kind of language on the Downs. Thanks in advance for keeping it clean!

Anyway I've got Morsul done (have for a while, but my mum showed up so I've not been able to post) and am tacking on a quick analysis of Elfie (hehe) so I'll be back in a few minutes with that.

[Blind Guardian]

Sorry *edits*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Sorry *edits*

*pats your head* Thanks, dear.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Boy, I sounded like **** last night. I don't even remember posting half of that But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

Even after this?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

There's flip-flopping and then there's wolves eyeing a juicy lynch, which one Blind are I'll let you lot figure out, but you're all are just going to write it off as a newbie mistake I imagine.

I mean you do realise Boro just accused you of being a wolf, don't you?

Originally Posted by Boromir88

In WW we don't know who the foes are, we have to figure it out on our own, but there's a lot of game film we can look at. One of the biggest forms is a vote, because it makes everyone leave some sort of evidence. Mods can't control how many times people post, and truthfully I don't like spending hours reading through a thread, so it's ok if people don't have the time to post a lot, or simply just don't want to. As much as I want to smother Paranoia with a pillow for yesterday, he came on, posted at least once and voted. When multiple people don't vote, it's one thing to not vote because of time crunch or being sick, but to blatantly refuse to vote is getting rid of a part of the game-film we NEED to have to lynch wolves. It would honestly be like if the Eagles refused to give the Cowboys half their game-film, just because they didn't want to. I'm sure they don't like it, but they have to. People might not like making a tough, rushed vote, but man up, stop whining about it and just do it. All of us who do vote are playing by the rules and have "game-film" now to look at, those who don't...and that's weak and it's bull.

You know what? I totally agree with this. And I don't like what Morsul did at all. Problem: your vote was, in my opinion, worse and weaker than Morsul's refusal to vote.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean you do realise Boro just accused you of being a wolf, don't you?

He did? ANd I stuck up for him

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

We were all confused. It was the first Day; we were all supposed to be confused. But this looks like he’s taking the cheap way out (which he obviously was) and I don’t approve of it. Just because you don’t have solid evidence against someone (especially on the first Day) doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote. If all the innocents just didn’t vote on the first Day we’d have no chance of killing a wolf, because the wolves would be controlling the voting.

In a way this makes me think that he’s just a slacking innocent (again) rather than a wolf, but I think either way he’s against the village, intentionally or not.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Sorry I was busy the other day... I'll be more active tonight. But have to go to work at the moment. The reason I didn't post much was because I was so busy. The reason I didn't vote was, my vote record is iffy at the best of times, I didn't want to vote anyone in particular just to do so. Although Nerwen is high on my suspicion list she had said something that seemed off to me.... At this exact second I can't recall what it was but I'll figure it out tonight with a real post.

He suspects one person -one- and has nothing else to say about anybody else. Business is understandable and I’ll certainly not fault him for that, but his no vote reasoning is just using his reputation as an excuse for laziness and trying not to leave a trail. It makes me very uneasy.


Verdict (for now): Either way, he’s not going to be helping the village, he’ll be harming us. I don’t know if it’s intentional (aka wolfism) or not, but he’s being a detriment, not an asset, and I’d much rather have him go than someone who’s actually trying to win the game. (This, of course, is subject to change with more posts, but that’s my feeling right now.)

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I doubt any of us enjoy falling. We have a bigger problem. Werewolves! Hideous creatures of the stygian night.

Gasp! Hehe, a silly post from a silly player, nothing more. Unless it is?

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

In a sense, my name is a hoax. I am not an Elf, just a stout hobbit. Now you've got a rock solid case to lynch me without further talk or rational thought. Oh, all those people who haven't posted must be werewolves. Oh noes, we're all doomed! AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

That previous paragraph demonstrates that I am a truly sinister individual. Are you too blind to see the way I explain away something truly sinister about myself? Also, note the way he then diverts attention from himself by making a joking accusation about all the people who haven't posted yet. What we need is a strong leader with manly chest hair. On second thought, we need four strong leaders.

And now I’m thinking about manly chest hair. On the female players.

++Elf-Warri.....

Anyway, this is kind of very silly thing but I can see how people would jump on it. I think it’s innocent (or at least not a real hint at evilness) thing, but I’ll want to keep an eye out because people have been getting by with similar posts recently and I’ll stand for it no longer. *sits*

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I plead not guilty. I was joking when I called myself sinister.

Edit: Cross posted with Loslote.

Just referring to the earlier post. Not a lot.

BG: OK, so I should go to bed and wait for tomorrow?
Elfie: Sure. Go ahead.

Just helping a newbie. How sweet, eh? Strangely, however, I’m picking up hints of something more in their little helpful exchange. Maybe it’s just me?

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Paranoia, maybe I'm just being blind, but I'm inclined to think Blind Guardian's mistakes are so mistakey that it makes her unlikely to be a wolf. I think it's more likely she's a cobbler. I'm inclined to believe she's an innocent.

However, I'm getting some faint suspicious vibes from Boromir. In my werewolfing experience, it is common for wolves to bind themselves with an innocent so that if the innocent dies, the wolf is given a patina of innocence and vice a versa if the wolf dies. This could be the nature of a possible connection between Blind Guardian and Boromir, she's innocent, he's hairy.

I have gotten practically no suspicious vibes from Lottie. Morsul's intention not to vote seems out of character to me. I could be wrong. I've only played with him once before. I'm inclinedto think Paranoia is innocent because he's thinking in line with me on Boromir.

I'm not really feeling suspicious of Nienna. I don't blame Xed for voting for me. I haven't been helpful.

++Morsul

Defends Blind, suspects Boro, votes Morsul because....because he didn’t vote. Well, understandable but Morsul doing something OOC is actually IC for Morsul, so I don’t know if I agree with this. Also, not voting Paranoia just because he (right?) agrees with you seems off to me. And if you suspect Boro more why not vote him?

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I'd like to start with a public service announcement. If you didn't vote yesterday and you're innocent, vote today before the deadline. It could save this village. There are a lot of people in this village now, but our numbers will shrink and remember, the wolves have an extra kill. The wolves have managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat before.

Anywho, I am still suspicious of Boromir. However, I think it's possible the wolves killed Izzy to frame Boromir.

I found something that could be suspicious. I've noticed it before, but I wonder if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

This just screams awkward to me. I almost want to say that there's a hint of "guys, I know we killed our cobbler but we can make it out alive, oh, and I should reassure the village too so I look innocent and helpful" to this post.


Verdict: All in all I think I’ll have to keep an eye on Elfie, but I won’t be double-plussing any time soon, because I’m still very iffy on the whole situation. From the tone of posts I'd actually have to go with guilty right now, but I'm not sure I'm ready to condemn quite yet. We'll have to see what I think of everyone else.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Boy, I sounded like poop last night. I don't even remember posting half of that But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

that

[Morsul the Dark]

SHASTA: Reading through I noticed you put Blind on the "Didn't Vote" list she voted but late... just to defend her real quick before doing this.

She voted Nienna for absolutely no stated reasons. Spent 2 pages with nothing but banter Gets overly defensive when someone points it out and keeps reminding everyone how innocent she is and new to WW(Which seems forced and fake to me)

++Blind Guardian

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Lottie, find someone else to execute. I voted for you because you had me thinking Rikae was in the game. I thought, I got to vote, Lottie's confusing me, if she's going to do that, that's the best thing I got. It's only a bandwagon because of coming after Glirdan's. I'll ask you since you apparently know me oh so well now after being PM buddies a whole 24 hours...do you really think as a wolf I would go for the easy Day 1 option? I can't help when I have to vote, but heck at least I do it. That's the only reason you have a reason to suspect me, unlike half the rest of this place.

Yes, but you knew full well that Glirdy had already voted for me. You even mentioned it in your post. It looks a lot like a Boro-wolf saying "Meh, gotta get someone lynched. Ohai, there's an option!"

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And in case it's not clear what I'm getting at in my last post: I wouldn't be surprised if Boro and Blind Guardian were packmates. It sort of looks that way. I mean she might be just a newbie who is grateful to him for being kind to her, and doesn't understand why he's suspicious, but still...

You have a really good point there, and if we lynched one and xe turns out evil, I'd say the other has a very good chance of being evil, too.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And I don't know about Lottie, but I do think you would go for an easy lynch. Why on Earth not?

For the evil lynch? Yes, assuming you mean someone who is above-and-beyond in terms of suspicious activity. I don't think he'd go for a bandwaggon on someone when he doesn't have any real reasons for it.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

And Nerwen yes I do often suspect you but for you to go along with all the banter and then write a "Play" seems so not you.

You do realize that she wrote her "play" after you posted that you suspected her? This looks like you coming up with reasons after coming up with your suspicion, when it should be the other way around.

Also, loved the play, Nerwen.

[Morsul the Dark]

I can't add reasons now?... When I posted she seemed to be going along with the banter the play just added to the reason... I don't understand your point.