WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If Wilwa and I were morphmates. Why throw my vote away on Rikae? Why not 'seize opportunity and find a plausible reason to vote for someone other than Wilwa', whom would keep her away from the noose? Some one like.. Paranoia for instance. I was the last vote, why not try and save her?"

Very quickly: perhaps you didn't think there was time to fabricate a sufficently innocent looking case against Paraand opted for the safer option of a revenge-vote.

[Rikae]

Alas, a list.

Inziladun – Ordo or cobbler
Paranoia – Wereborg.
Pitchwife –Metamorph suspect #1
Isabellkya –Ordo or cobbler
Shasta –Metamorph suspect #2
wintywinty – Ordo
Rikae – Good and dead.Goodbye, cruel world! I hope you all get eaten by rats... er, I mean, go village! Rah rah rah!

[Rikae]

Mm... to clarify list further:

Most nonmorphish:
Rikae
Izzy

Fairly nonmorphish:
Inzil
wintywinty

Morphiest:
Paranoia
Pitchwife
Shasta

[Rikae]

Oh, the pops are sweeter and the taste is new! They're shot with sugar through and through!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Rikae - Don't suppose I can ask "why", can I?

[Rikae]

Hey, wereborg! Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, metal butt! You want a piece of me? Huh? *brandishes soldering gun*

Shasta:
You can, but I'm not telling. Nyah nyah!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hey, wereborg! Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, metal butt! You want a piece of me? Huh? *brandishes soldering gun*

Shasta:
You can, but I'm not telling. Nyah nyah!

Fine! Then I think you're just sour grapes for not winning the post-count war. Nyah boo.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Shasta.
"so I analyzed him with the way one catches a bear in mind"

How is that not going into your analysis with him pegged as the WereBorg?

That's going into my analysis paying attention to his attitudes and what I see as the thoughts behind his comments, rather than looking at his interactions with others and votes. It's a different way of analyzing.

Originally Posted by Izzy

"I'm fairly sure, based on the numbers, that we have a shot at trying to lynch the more-dangerous wereBear today,"

Is that not in relation to Paranoia?

That's in relation to the WereBorg in general. Doesn't matter who it is right now, I still consider them more dangerous than the Morph.

Originally Posted by Izzy

How does the fact that Pitch apparently does not care about his survival fit into your thoughts?

"Apparent" and "actual" are two different things. Pitch clearly does care about his survival, as he voted to save himself.

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What about you, Izzy? What do you think about Pitch and Paranoia? Instead of questioning everyone until they go batty, why don't we hear some of your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Izzy

The fact that you voted for Paranoia before he could defend himself - which you admit - clearly shows that you care naught about what he has to say. That you've written him off as WereBorg and are thus unconcerned.

I've already explained this, Izzy, I'm one of seven people who can affect the vote. The responsibility for the lynch does not fall entirely on my shoulders. I'm not in the least "unconcerned" about what Paranoia had to say, but in my opinion I had to act fast, so I did.

Originally Posted by Izzy

This seems to be rather confuddled. My point is that if Paranoia has not seen a WereBear, then how would he fit the standardized actions of a WEreBorg - which you compared him with.

Well, what do you consider to be the "standardized actions" of a WereBear? I consider them to be "anything the Bear has to do to win", which is generally the same for any lone baddie.

Originally Posted by Izzy

I was not asking if Paranoia has been a lone baddie before. I asked if he has seen a WereBorg before. You know as well as I do - how many different varieties of Third parties can be out there.

I do, but that's not the point. The relevant portion is "lone baddie".

Originally Posted by Izzy

Since I pointed out in an earlier post, questioning the probability of the mod including WereBorg stipulations in the Assassin role - you've not thought about that at all?

You mean when you mentioned that since the WereBorg is a secret role it wasn't likely to be mentioned in the flavor text of the Assassin role? Sure, I've thought about it, but there are alternative ways that it could have been worded. The way it's actually worded makes me pretty confident that the Assassin only kills Metamorphs. So do the plots.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Fine! Then I think you're just sour grapes for not winning the post-count war. Nyah boo.

Well, I'll tell you this: I wish Izzy was a morph.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Rikae-->Pitch
Shasta-->Paranoia
Winty-->Pitch (2)
Pitch-->Paranoia (2)
Paranoia-->Pitch (3)
Dun-->Paranoia (3)

Still accurate? Speaking of nyah boo.

Also....

How do you like me now? Now that I'm in my grave!
Do you still think death's funny when your ranger couldn't self-save?
I can't do any more killing, but I'm well-trained in vote counts
And screwing up your triple posts. How do you like me now?





Also also, I have more posts than Paranoia and nearly as many as winty. Proud as I am of myself, I'm really rather disappointed.


And I'll not get into Rikae's vintage WW players statement. Let's just repeat the standards of the site: good spelling/syntax, family friendly language (which includes accounting for my over-sixty mother who doesn't even understand 'lol' for pity's sake), and an attitude of sunshine and ring wraiths....erm, butterflies. (Just for my muffin.) Aka use complete, proper sentence structure and "grown-up" language (read, real words, because we're certainly allowed to be silly) most of the time and I think we can keep Auntie Rikae at least marginally happy. Am I even close to being right? (Either way, you're getting repped.)


*fades out of sight, promises not to come back except to be helpful*



EDIT: x'd since the post where my dear Shasta said "nyah boo". It's still making me chuckle. ^_^

[Paranoia]

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

To Zul: At the start of the day you said you considered me unlikely to be a wolf, and that you had spent most of your time looking for them. My issue with you now is you go and vote for someone you do not suspect to be a wolf, as opposed to another person you don't believe to be a wolf. The difference here is that Pitch voted two days in a row without bothering to wait for me to post to respond to the accusations against me. This seems to indicate that you are indeed unconcerned about looking for the bear; it seems to indicate you know who the bear is. As in... the bear is you.

To Shasta: Your overwhelming attempt to shifting your focus on the bear today seems to indicate to me that you don't care about hunting morphs; indeed, the primary danger is still the morphs, no matter how diminished the traitor is in effect. Their numbers still give them a leg up on everyone else. And since you're so fond of math...

7- 3 (the lynch and the night kill) = 4. If we hit right, assuming traitor. 7-3 = 4. We still lose, unless the assassin strikes true tonight. Assuming we hit the morph. 7-2 = 5. Pretty good odds, with the traitor basically stuck with no way to win, and the bear having to survive two rounds. Hitting the bear leaves us at 7-2 = 5, and assuming the traitor isn't hit, leaves us in a dire position with only one more mistake costing us the game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cut it out.

There is no need or call for any of this rudeness. Werewolf is a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. Stop cutting each other down, please.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Cut it out.

There is no need or call for any of this rudeness. Werewolf is a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. Stop cutting each other down, please.

Seconded. Play nice, children, or Miss Nerwen will start bashing you with hammers. Much as I like death and destruction, it has to be civilized.


ETA: As a way of clarification, my last post (and all post-mortem comments) are out-of-game statements and reflect neither my alignment nor my standing on the living, at least in an opinion sense. Just in case y'all were wondering. And the spelling/syntax comment was a general statement, though everyone should take heed of it since I have noticed an increase in lack of rule-following in that department (on the whole site, not just in WW.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

To Shasta: Your overwhelming attempt to shifting your focus on the bear today seems to indicate to me that you don't care about hunting morphs; indeed, the primary danger is still the morphs, no matter how diminished the traitor is in effect. Their numbers still give them a leg up on everyone else.

If the Morphs had more than one member remaining, I'd agree with you. As they don't, I respectfully disagree.

Originally Posted by Paranoia

7- 3 (the lynch and the night kill) = 4. If we hit right, assuming traitor. 7-3 = 4. We still lose, unless the assassin strikes true tonight. Assuming we hit the morph. 7-2 = 5. Pretty good odds, with the traitor basically stuck with no way to win, and the bear having to survive two rounds. Hitting the bear leaves us at 7-2 = 5, and assuming the traitor isn't hit, leaves us in a dire position with only one more mistake costing us the game.

If you'd like me to mention all the factors that I can think of that affect this total, I will. Let's see...

1. We lynch the Bear, and the Assassin kills the Morph. Village wins.

2. We lynch the Morph, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to five, with one baddie.

3. We lynch the Traitor, the Assassin kills the Morph, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to four, with one baddie.

4. We lynch the Traitor, the Morph kills an innocent, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to four, with two baddies. Village loses.

5. We lynch the Traitor and the Morph and Bear kill each other. Village wins.

7-9. Replace "Traitor" with "Innocent".

10. We lynch the Bear, and the Morph kills an innocent. Village is down to five, with one baddie and the Traitor remaining. At least one villager knows the identity of the Traitor.


So you see, there are plenty of ways for things to turn out, but the best situations all revolve around killing the Bear first.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

The temptation to comment sarcastically on the first paragraph is so fierce, but I won't, because I don't think you'd take it in stride right now. (No offense.)


Actually, this is a very good topic of discussion, but one I think would be better served by its own thread, so that not only those of us living (or pretending to be ) may participate, but the Werewolf community at large. It's certainly a subject that's been on my mind for a while, at least. Would you mind if I started a thread for this purpose and quoted the relevant posts at the start?



Also, just refreshed. Thanks for returning (mostly) to civilized chaos, guys. I appreciate it, and I'm sure Nerwen (who'll be coming shortly, no doubt) does too.

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

Oh for the love of. I've had a plenty bad day. I'm sorry if I got a bit overworked, and a bit emotional, but considering the fact that this right now is the crowning jewel in a day that keeps getting worse for me is leaving me all the more exasperated. Honestly, you're not as bad as the MS crowd or... heaven forbid. the Epic Mafia crowd. I think what's kicked this off is a long string of horrid luck that I've had lately and I'm kinda on the verge of going kind of eehhh. So sorry if I offended. I'm just not in the greatest mood at the moment.