WW LLXVIII: Yar Har Har and a Bottle o' Rum

[Blind Guardian]

Back now...

WOO! I thought my saying that would make everyone talk!

[wilwarin538]

Wow, still not much going on then. Well I'm only around for about another 30 minutes I'm afraid, and I'll have to vote at the end of that.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Thinking of how your vote will be perceived by others is not a very innocent way of going about things, BG.

And yet, everyone does it. No one wants to be suspected, whether or not you're innocent. I actually think BG is looking pretty good right now. She (he? what? I'm getting everyone mixed up) is in a position I've been in many times. Doing somehting that seems to make perfect sense to me and then being totally baffled when everyone suspects me for it later. He does have a point, if he had voted for some other random person at that point we could easily be suspecting him for that. It made more sense for him to choose between the two, rather then waste a vote. Which is also what Glirdan did.

And yet. Glirdan is looking bad to me. I know, he always does, but it's always for good reason. Both yesterDay and toDay he seems to just be latching on to other people's ideas, looking very agreeable, and then earlier he totally pounced on something I said, and interpreted it very incorrectly. I also find it odd that he suspects Elf-Warrior toDay, then next post says Morsul doesn't look bad enough to vote for, and then votes for Morsul who he says is the only person he is suspicious of.

Morsul looks kinda bad too. But I really want to stay away from that one, cause it's looking to me like a possible bandwagon disaster part deux. So I likely won't be voting for him.

I'm super tempted to vote Glirdan, cause he looks so bad, but I'm weary of that too. I'll keep looking I guess. He'll be my vote if nothing worse pops up.

x'ed really? no cross posting? come on peoples....

[Blind Guardian]

Thank you, thank you, thank you Wilwa! I'm female. Right now, if I had to vote, I'd be clueless. Luckly, I have until later. Thus:


Suspicious:
no one


Possable:
glirdan
morsul though I wouldn't vote for either ATM

nothing:
everyone else

Glidran:
What is he trying to do??

Morsul
same as yesterday. Also for his weird vote on me. No evadence there!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

And yet. Glirdan is looking bad to me. I know, he always does, but it's always for good reason. Both yesterDay and toDay he seems to just be latching on to other people's ideas, looking very agreeable, and then earlier he totally pounced on something I said, and interpreted it very incorrectly. I also find it odd that he suspects Elf-Warrior toDay, then next post says Morsul doesn't look bad enough to vote for, and then votes for Morsul who he says is the only person he is suspicious of.

You do have a point about Glirdan. He did say something to the effect that Morsul hadn't said anything to earn his vote, then voted Morsul the next post. He also didn't address what I was wondering about here.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Morsul looks kinda bad too. But I really want to stay away from that one, cause it's looking to me like a possible bandwagon disaster part deux. So I likely won't be voting for him.

I guess Morsul does look the worse between him and BG, But I still think trying not to appear suspicious in one's votes is generally a hallmark of evil thinking.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, gotta go to sleep now. Since nothing worse has popped out to me:

++Glirdan

For previously stated reasons.

Good night all.

[Blind Guardian]

Okay, I won't over do this but:

Morsul->BeiGei
Wilwa->Glirdan

anyone else leaving? This doesn't help me at all, luckly I have all Day. Right now they both look bad, but I wouldn't vote either. Anyone wanna speak up? Any wolves? No one? Okay, no problem, I'll wait.

[Morsul the Dark]

Also Glirdan voted me

so

Glirdan->Morsul
Morsul-Blind Guardian
Wilwa-->Glirdan

[Blind Guardian]

Hanks, was that on page three? Ah, I see. Very little reason in that.

Okay, I have to go. I'll be back in 45 minutes.

[Blind Guardian]

Glirdan->Morsul
Morsul-Blind Guardian
Wilwa-->Glirdan
Inziladûn->Glirdan
BeiGei->Glirdan


It's not a bandwagon. I think everyone is just voting for their most suspicious.

Edit: xed with Mac

[Boromir88]

I'm extremely nervous about Zil. I just do not like his suspicions, in seemingly having a strong opinion about Rikae, but stirring most the attention towards easy targets for weak reasons. If you have a suspicion against Rikae, and feel it's solid enough to continue arguing with her over the reasons, get her by the juggular and get after her. Don't toy around like you're in some kind of dance and be like..."BG looks the worst, she considers how her vote looks to people!"

Wilwa's absolutely right, anyone who doesn't want to get lynched thinks of how their vote comes off to everyone. It's hog wash to say it only applies to the evil ones. Look through all the votes yesterday, I guarantee in the vast majority, people considered how their vote would be perceived. I mean when someone says "I'm not going to vote for Eonwe, because I don't want to bandwagon" they're thinking about how a vote for Eonwe would look...right? And they are consciously making a decision not to, because they want their vote to look bandwagonish.

Look, BG gave the thought process behind her vote. If she blatantly said Day 1, when making the vote "I don't want to vote for this person, because people will think it's weird," I would be a little more worried. As that would show the way you want your votes to look is weighing heavily on your mind, too heavily, which looks suspicious. However, BG gave her thought process about her vote, after the fact, and included an honest point that she thought about how her vote would look. Anyone who doesn't want to get lynched does Zil, and your insistance that you think it's a good sign of evil, is making you highly suspicious in me eyes.

I'm not even sure what the hub-bub about BG is, my one game with her, was her first, and we were both wolves. Has a lovably chattery personality and her twice now saying she's an ordo, I'm believing it. With the amount of gifteds, an early wolf in trouble would not insist on being ordo, they would need to make a false reveal to drag out some of the gifteds. BG's been a wolf before, I'm pretty sure I even told her that in her first game, so she'd be aware of the situation and need to bring out gifteds if she was a wolf in trouble this early. I still see she needs to try her hand at being more subtle () but this time her posts scream innocent and now first time newbie wolf.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm extremely nervous about Zil. I just do not like his suspicions, in seemingly having a strong opinion about Rikae, but stirring most the attention towards easy targets for weak reasons. If you have a suspicion against Rikae, and feel it's solid enough to continue arguing with her over the reasons, get her by the juggular and get after her. Don't toy around like you're in some kind of dance and be like..."BG looks the worst, she considers how her vote looks to people!"

Really? Show where I once said I suspected Rikae.

And while you're at it, show me where I said BG was the most suspicious.

You can't.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Really? Show where I once said I suspected Rikae.

And while you're at it, show me where I said BG was the most suspicious.

You can't.

You are far too careful to be that blunt Zil, where I am much more over the top dramatic.

You on BG:

Thinking of how your vote will be perceived by others is not a very innocent way of going about things, BG. #130

I guess Morsul does look the worse between him and BG, But I still think trying not to appear suspicious in one's votes is generally a hallmark of evil thinking. #134

How very sly of you. "Guess you're right about Morsul, Wilwa, but BG still committed sure wolf-sign #204." While you seem to be saying you think Morsul the most suspicious, you actually are underhandedly casting the strongest suspicion towards BG.

On Rikae:

If I'm understanding your meaning, that doesn't make sense. Why shouldn't I point it out? I saw a major inconsistancy there. He said "I accuse you, Rikae", and then voted for Eönwë, saying nothing more about you yesterDay.

I need to stop interpretting "that doesn't make sense," as someone saying "I think you're suspicious." That was my mistake. Carry on.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

but this time her posts scream innocent and now first time newbie wolf.

That should be "not" and not "now."

[Rikae]

Freudian slip, Boro?

Alas, a list - as much to sort my own thoughts out as anything:

Inzil - Fishyish. I'm not really buying his explanations: they sound rather fabricated, and yes, it's true he didn't say he suspected me or found BG most suspicious, but that serves to highlight just how slippery he's been - poking at things from the edges, not taking a position.
Nerwen - Could as easily be a fish or not, really; I don't feel like I have a lot to go on here. She's been posting less than I would normally expect.
Blind Guardian - Making lots of mistakes - maybe too many to actually be evil. I'm leaning toward ordo who just has (what I would consider) completely the wrong idea about how to go about voting and discussing votes.
Macalaure - His seems reasonable enough, which he would just as much if he were evil as if he were good. I'd mention his quietness, but he was watching football and fireworks all day. Like Nerwen, one I could only read when he's said more.
Gilrdan - Certainly a fishy voter. I'm seeing a lot of arguments against him, though, and not all seem sensible, which is a bad sign.
Wilwarin - A little defensive, I think. Nothing concrete, but she gives me a creepy feeling.
Boromir - Seemingly very reasonable and calm. I guess he can afford to be, since everyone seems to overlook him in their questioning and suspicion.
The Elf-warrior - The conflict with Inzil is interesting - EW seems quite defensive and elaborate in his explanations without really saying much. He had a few suspicions which turned out quite flimsy, but that's not necessarily a bad sign. His vote for Eonwe came at a time where it reveals nothing, but the fact that he waited for that point may reveal something.
Morsul the Dark - Almost seems deliberately unhelpful, as if he's refusing to explain his votes reasonably to make a point or something. I don't know him well enough to say if this is wolfish or not, coming from him.
Shasta - I thought his vote yesterDay looked suspicious, but then I looked again and it seemed pretty neutral... at least, it would if he would step forward and say what he thinks of people, particularly Glirdan and Nerwen, at this point, and why he felt it was so essential to vote for someone who already had a vote.

I could vote for Inzil now, or possibly BG, Morsul or the Elf Warrior. All have strikes against them and knowing any of their roles would be useful in any event.

EDIT: X'd with Boro and Inzil.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm extremely nervous about Zil. I just do not like his suspicions, in seemingly having a strong opinion about Rikae, but stirring most the attention towards easy targets for weak reasons. If you have a suspicion against Rikae, and feel it's solid enough to continue arguing with her over the reasons, get her by the juggular and get after her. Don't toy around like you're in some kind of dance and be like..."BG looks the worst, she considers how her vote looks to people!"

Wilwa's absolutely right, anyone who doesn't want to get lynched thinks of how their vote comes off to everyone. It's hog wash to say it only applies to the evil ones. Look through all the votes yesterday, I guarantee in the vast majority, people considered how their vote would be perceived. I mean when someone says "I'm not going to vote for Eonwe, because I don't want to bandwagon" they're thinking about how a vote for Eonwe would look...right? And they are consciously making a decision not to, because they want their vote to look bandwagonish.

Look, BG gave the thought process behind her vote. If she blatantly said Day 1, when making the vote "I don't want to vote for this person, because people will think it's weird," I would be a little more worried. As that would show the way you want your votes to look is weighing heavily on your mind, too heavily, which looks suspicious. However, BG gave her thought process about her vote, after the fact, and included an honest point that she thought about how her vote would look. Anyone who doesn't want to get lynched does Zil, and your insistance that you think it's a good sign of evil, is making you highly suspicious in me eyes.

I'm not even sure what the hub-bub about BG is, my one game with her, was her first, and we were both wolves. Has a lovably chattery personality and her twice now saying she's an ordo, I'm believing it. With the amount of gifteds, an early wolf in trouble would not insist on being ordo, they would need to make a false reveal to drag out some of the gifteds. BG's been a wolf before, I'm pretty sure I even told her that in her first game, so she'd be aware of the situation and need to bring out gifteds if she was a wolf in trouble this early. I still see she needs to try her hand at being more subtle () but this time her posts scream innocent and now first time newbie wolf.

Thank you!