WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Poor Professor... I was looking forward to going back in time. Haha, looking 'forward' to go 'back'.

In any case, let's get the ball rolling, shall we? I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

It's not my fault. I haven't even shampooed my hair in like two days. My cuticles are ragged and I'm sure my mascara's probably done that smudge-at-the-corner-of-your-eyes thing because I'm too lazy to wash my face before bed like a good human ought to do.

I'd like to blame Agan for nothing in particular and tell her specifically that I'm a wolf.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'd like to blame Agan for nothing in particular and tell her specifically that I'm a wolf.

I'm a smelly armpit pickle! At least it's a good smell.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'd like to accuse the lovely Fea for no real reason other than that she's pretty. Defend yourself!

Ha, it amuses me that this is not the first time I've heard someone use 'she's pretty' as a reason for suspicion.

So than our situation: we're trapped in a house with a bunch of psychos who actually liked the LotR movies, and we can't just put someone in the time machine and send them back so they can see who did this, because the only one who knew how to use the machine is dead. Well....that's not so bad....at least we have food....*whimpers*


Anyway, I'll be back in the morning and should be around a lot.

x'ed with Fea, and I love that we both made Genevamoot references.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

we can't just put someone in the time machine and send them back so they can see who did this, because the only one who knew how to use the machine is dead.

Just because it'll almost certainly result in an explosion doesn't mean we can't try! After all, three of us are evil anyway - let's make them try it! So...who wants to confess?

[Boromir88]

Do you think it can be converted to be a useful teleportation machine? All these machines, time, teleport, washing, operate on the same equipment. It's just a matter of doing some re-arranging of wires.

[The Elf-warrior]

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

If all we needed was a super genius, we'd be home free. As it happens, we need a super genius who we can trust - different story entirely.

[satansaloser2005]

To clarify, before this "I get the hint" thing gets too out of hand....

Originally Posted by Loslote

If all we needed was a super genius, we'd be home free. As it happens, we need a super genius who we can trust - different story entirely.

I was replying to that, hence my request that I sleep before I save the world.

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Pitch's case against Fea puts him on my hit list, because....well, it's just not quite right somehow. I'll agree with what Shasta said a few posts above, and add that I do think a Pitch-wolf could do that, because it would be too obvious to be so. That and we know how tricksy he can be.

Wilwa is sweet, but I have to say, the wicked vibes coming from her make me think my muffin may be a little past her sell-by date. I'll look at her closer and see why I'm getting that feeling.

I dunno about Pitchie. As Pitchwolf, he's generally Mr. Agreeable with a vague sort of "wise man" air about himself. I haven't seen that so far. If anything, he's been jumping into conflict a teeny bit.

As for Vanilwuffin, I'm beginning to have a pattern of always suspecting her Day 1, so I'm not bothering her until toMorrow.

Originally Posted by skip spence

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

Personally, I think it's just banter. It came early in the Day and I think someone else had even mentioned food in their banter post earlier.

Fea doesn't look all that bad to me, and I don't really see where this bandwaggon is coming from. Is there something other than the "I'm a wolf" joke post that I'm not seeing?

I'm witholding any ideas about Shasta for the moment - I'll keep an eye on him, but I'm going to wait to actually suspect him.

Oh, and I'm sort of here now.

EDIT: xed with Sallycakes.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Just because it'll almost certainly result in an explosion doesn't mean we can't try! After all, three of us are evil anyway - let's make them try it! So...who wants to confess?

To wolvery, or to being awesome?

Okay, you caught me. I'm pretty much amazing.


Are we lynching people for that now?



ETA: x'd since the post I quoted. And okay, okay, I get the hint. But can I rest before I hop in my TARDIS and save the Day?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

To wolvery, or to being awesome?

Okay, you caught me. I'm pretty much amazing.


Are we lynching people for that now?

Yes. ++Stan The Amazing.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Alas! How wretched it is for such a noble, if technically insane, man to meet such a diabolical end. Who are these fiends among us?

Well, I obviously didn't do it. Any chance to go back in time and alter the Wargs and the Ents to appropriate levels of awesomeness is, for me, the chance of a lifetime! Anyone else with such an alibi? We've got a whole lot of Downs movie posts to catch up on...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I doubt it, Boromir. As far as I know, the machine always stays in one place as it travels through time. Therefore, unless we have a super genius like Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis here, I'd say we're stuck. But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.

No, no we'd only need to travel back to a time when Professor Inzil was still living. Or, in case he didn't believe us, back further, before he set the timer on the door. Or into the future, after it expires.

Of course, this is probably just wishful thinking– I'm sure whoever murdered him thought of this already, and has sabotaged the machine.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

People Shasta talks about:

• 'accuses' Fea for "no real reason other than that she's pretty."
• points out that Greenie's the only one to try to get things moving
• points out that Lottie's quietness is very out of character and that he may vote for her
• asks 'she for whom the moon doth shine' what she thinks of Eomer's vote (for Greenie); as a side note, I'm not at all certain who this question was directed to, and I've been wondering if he meant me
• notes that Pitch's suspicion of Fea seems sudden and forced, since he hadn't mentioned any suspicion prior; not sure Pitchwolf would be clumsy enough to bandwagon so shamelessly
• points out that it's odd that Sally agrees with him about Pitch being wolfy and trying to bandwagon Fea

Note: Shasta does not vote

People Who Interact with or mention Shasta:

• Fea: lazily argues that his assessment of her physical beauty is shoddy, since she's not all that, blah blah blah.
• Wilwa: points out that Shasta's suggestion that Fea is pretty is not original
• Agan: 'blames Shasta for [her] own special reasons' (citing that playing is different once you've done it in person with your co-village); jokes that Shasta's first post means he's evil (which is a traditional first Day joke); points out that his banter with Fea is either buttering her up or two wolves playing; says Shasta doesn't seem to want to kill Peter Jackson;
• Boro: says that Shasta butters people up just by looking at them;
• Pitch: says Shasta's guilty of making lame jokes; claims he has no read on Shasta;
• Greenie: says she's lost count of the number of times Shastawolf has totally fooled her; notes that she can understand Shasta's suspicion of Lottie, but that she understands Lottie's lack of participation at that point;
• Sally: corrects Shasta's mistake about DL; says Shasta seems 'strange'; agrees with Shasta that Pitch's suspicion of Fea seems bogus; ranks Shasta in 4th place on her suspicion list
• Lottie: specifically reserves judgment on Shasta

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Now, it's possible that the wolves killed Shasta for a multitude of reasons.

Either Shasta seemed like the Seer, or he didn't.

If he did, that makes Fea and Pitch look suspicious. Fea because he accused her at all (for being pretty), but mostly Pitch, since Shasta's suspicion of him was based on Pitch's attempts to discredit Fea.

Since it was attempts to discredit Fea that made Pitch look bad to Shasta, that suggests that Shasta didn't actually believe Fea was bad.

If Shasta was killed for looking Seerish, this exonerates Lottie, since Shasta said she might be the cobbler, and the wolves would not know who the cobbler is, nor would Shasta-seer be able to actually tell the difference between cobbler and ordo. Ie: if Lottie was a wolf, she wouldn't think Shasta is seer for claiming she might be cobbler. Ie: If Shasta died because the wolves thought he was seer, it means that Pitch is a wolf and Lottie is not.

If Shasta wasn't killed for looking like the seer:

It means that he was killed either to make somebody look bad, or not to make anybody look bad.

If he was killed to make somebody look bad, it would make Aganzir, Greenie, and Sally look poorly due to their comments about him, and it would make Pitch and Lottie look poorly due to his comments about them. If he was killed to make non-wolves look bad, it means that the remaining wolves are most likely within this group: Nerwen, Wilwa, skip, Boro, or Eomer. There is a corollary here that the wolves may have wished to direct suspicion toward themselves so as to hide in the open. Since those who look bad due to the death of Shasta are Agan, Greenie, Sally, Pitch, and Lottie, one must try to decide if any of them are likely to double bluff (answer: yes).

If he was killed as a trail-less to make nobody look bad, on the other hand, it could be anybody.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Something I think I forgot to add to that last post is what I actually think...

Which is that I'm assuming Shasta was killed to be 'trail-less', since all arguments for or against end up being, "Yeah, it's obvious it was totally this person! (Or that one)."

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Which is that I'm assuming Shasta was killed to be 'trail-less', since all arguments for or against end up being, "Yeah, it's obvious it was totally this person! (Or that one)."

I noticed that too!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Fea

(...)Now, it's possible that the wolves killed Shasta for a multitude of reasons.

Either Shasta seemed like the Seer, or he didn't.

If he did, that makes Fea and Pitch look suspicious. Fea because he accused her at all (for being pretty), but mostly Pitch, since Shasta's suspicion of him was based on Pitch's attempts to discredit Fea.

*applauds Fea's objectivity*

Originally Posted by Fea

...explores various reasons why Shasta might have been killed...

Thing is, the immediate question isn't so much "why was my shining jewel killed?" as, "why wasn't one of the EW voters killed?"


The Elf-Warrior Voters

1. Skip.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Okay, I'm back and as I should have been in bed hours ago I gotta take a quick shot from the hip (and in all fairness any vote at this point is just that).

The Elf-Warrior has only made one post so far but there's just something about the timing and the subject matter and the phrasing of that post that seems a bit sinister to me.

Especially the last part, which I highlighted. There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out:

++The Elf-warrior

2. Fea.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

++Elf

Not because I particularly suspect her (I reserve opinions until Day 2, as everyone knows) but because I have nobody better to vote for and because with a village this small, odds are solid that if I threw a rock I'd hit a wolf. And because she's quiet, and you can't analyze a statue.

3. Lottie.

Originally Posted by Loslote

++Elf

Sorry, TEWie.

Lottie's reasons are given at #71.

Originally Posted by Lottie

The only other people of note were Fea, who got a whopping four "cobbler" checks and one "innocent" check, and Eomer and TEWie, who got nothing. I might vote for one of them for being so quiet.

4. Boro.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

++Elf-Warrior

Edit: crossed with Lottie.

Boro's reasons are given at #84.

Originally Posted by Boro

The votes are spread out enough where surely you could have gone with someone else maybe a little suspicious other than "for self-preservation"

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."

Comments: If Elf had turned out innocent, this would have looked like one blatant, eeevilll bandwagon. Boro's vote is the only one with even a remotely adequate reason behind it. I find it interesting that all four of these people are still alive, actually. You'd think they'd all look like Seers!

Conclusion? I'd say the wolves probably had either a particularly good reason for killing Shasta, or for not killing any EW-voters (the latter reason would likely be "one of them's a wolf"). Of course, it's possible they just couldn't make up their minds who looked the most dangerous, or else wanted to avoid the Ranger.

I have to go out now, but in the meantime, here's yesterDay's votes for your general perusal:

Day One votes

Known wolves in italics, known innocents underlined.

Eomer--> Greenie (1)

Greenie--> Fea (1)

Pitch--> Fea (2)

Agan--> Sally (1)

skip--> The Elf-Warrior (1)

Sally--> Pitch (1)

Fea--> The Elf-Warrior (2)

The Elf-Warrior--> Fea (3)

Wilwa––> Pitch (2)

Lottie––> The Elf-Warrior (3)

Boro--> The Elf-Warrior (4)

Didn't vote: Nerwen, Shasta.

EDIT: X'd since Fea at #101.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hello everyone. I hope to contribute much more today. It will be in two stages: the first, pretty sporadic, as I'll be trying to post when I think no-one at work is watching me; but probably in more detail tonight.

Right, I was pleasantly surprised to see we bagged a wolf on Day One - more so because I was convinced EW was innocent! Looking back at the chain of events, the lynching of EW seems suspicious (I see Nerwen has already made similar comments today). I just couldn't see it - why all those votes for, to my mind, innocuous behaviour? And lo and behold: wolf dead.

Food for thought, anway.

Excuse me if I missed it (the Downs deleted one of my posts a week or so ago - can you believe that?) but I didn't see a vote from Shasta.

Actually, the annoying thing about EWolf being dead is that there's so little record of any interaction. Not a lot to go on, but maybe something will stand out.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, just seen Nerwen's list. Thanks.

Will go over Shasta's posts at work. Hopefully it's quiet today.

[Loslote]

Right, well, participation from me is going to be hopefully a bit more than yesterDay, but still not that much. So a list:

Looks best:
Agan
Pitch
Boro
Sally
Lottie

Looks decent:
Greenie
skip
Eomer

I dunno...*suspicious eyes*:
Nerwen
Vanilwuffin
Fea

I might vote for those in my "dunno" category. I might vote for those in my "decent" category. I probably will not vote for those in my "best" category, but things may change. I will also probably go to sleep soon, but I hope to be online a bit more often.

[skip spence]

Making a quick pop-in.

To be honest I'm glad to be alive seeing how yesterDay unfolded. Had the nagging feeling the wolves might be coming for me, poor thing.

I do have some thoughts to share but that will probably have to wait until I'm back from work, which is hopefully not that late.

[Aganzir]

Aww.

Originally Posted by wilwa

why would the cobbler think it was hint, it's too out in the open to be taken seriously

One doesn't have to take it seriously, it can be more like making oneself known. Yes I know it was day 1 and it's not too unusual for people to complain about having no suspects, but comments like that still creep me out.

Originally Posted by wilwa

I doubt the wolves care enough about them to risk hinting.

Me too. However, being useful to the wolves requires the cobbler to survive (or take the bullet for them), and that's best done if the wolves don't attack her. It's much more likely that the cobbler tries to let the wolves know who she is than the other way round (thus I'm still somewhat disturbed by skip's plead that somebody behave suspiciously).

Originally Posted by sally

or if she has a more specific reason to not want people communicating covertly.

And what might this reason be?

Originally Posted by sally

Boro is up to something, as always. Need to figure out what it is before I shove him off a cliff, as he may be completely innocent. But if the cobbler turns up dead come Morning....o_O

I don't get this. Is Borowolf known for accidentally killing the cobbler or what?

Originally Posted by sally

She knows I have a job, and that I can't post during my work time.

Actually, I didn't. Or, well, I did but it wasn't anything I'd think of actively, and I didn't know you were working right then, so if you don't post I merely think "she doesn't post" instead of "why doesn't she post?".

Originally Posted by sally

to say she wants me dead before I can joke around, when I haven't even begun to do so, is really odd, especially for her.

Nope, I don't think so. I was voting for somebody I consider a submarine - not post count wise, but serious content wise. That sounds much ruder than it should, but I can't think of a better way to put it. I just usually have a hard time figuring you out (and telling the jokes from the serious stuff), so if I have to make a more or less random vote on day 1, you are not out of the question.
In any case, sally reacted unnecessarily strongly to my vote.

I think skip's reasoning for his vote looks awfully fishy, but being the first to vote for a wolf makes him look better. We can't obviously rule out the option that a wolf voted for EW, but I find it unlikely that a wolf would've started a bandwagon against a fellow.

Sally voted for Pitch after the first EW vote was cast. Back then it wasn't obvious yet that EW would be lynched, but if she was a wolf, wouldn't she rather have voted for somebody who already had a vote (Greenie maybe, as she said she'd keep an eye on her. Fea had more votes but she had already said the bandwagon against her was fishy)? She misunderstood the deadline, though, and if the day had ended when she thought it did, Fea would've died.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Agan, thank you for confusing me.

The pleasure is mine.

Originally Posted by wilwa

"Yay, a suspect, Inzil doesn't contribute all day and when he shows up all he does is give us the DL time".

♥

Fea's (random-ish) vote pushed EW to the lead, and EW countered by voting her. Speaks rather strongly in her favour. Also, I've seen wolves pretend to be confused about their fellow's gender in order to make each other look better, but doing so doesn't necessarily mean Fea is a wolf.

Lottie decides to vote for EW by method of elimination (fair enough). She made her intention clear before voting, and in the end hers was the decisive vote. Sally, on the other hand, said she'd rather not vote for him in his absence (thoughtful, but given EW was a wolf, might also be a convenient way to direct votes off her fellow).

Originally Posted by Boro

Now you are forcing my hand to you or Fea, and you weren't someone I said "no lynch."

I think he looks the most suspicious of the EW voters, simply because everybody else's votes were kind of random "in lack of a better suspect", and a Borowolf would totally do that to a fellow if need be. If I had to name a wolf in the EWagon, it'd probably be him.

It can be argued wilwa tried to save EW, but when she voted (tying Pitch & EW), Fea was leading with three and EW had two votes. Voting for Fea would have made more sense in that situation.

Originally Posted by sally

I hate to ambush someone, especially on Day One, but for once it turned out

That's why, if I don't have a real suspect, I prefer to vote for a quiet-ish person I can't really read. That saves me from the trouble of having to worry about submarines later. ;-)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I find it interesting that all four of these people are still alive, actually. You'd think they'd all look like Seers!

They just had good luck. If there had been a bandwagon like that for example against you, they'd probably look like seers, but EW had few posts and was therefore quite a random lynch. I agree it's interesting none of them was killed, though.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I was convinced EW was innocent!

How can you be convinced someone is innocent if they have only posted once?

I quite like it Lottie thinks I'm the best-looking here! ;-)