WW LXXX: It's About Time!

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Okay, still working on my theory that both remaining wolves were still to vote when Wilwa got her third vote.

That leaves Eomer, Lottie, Fea, Agan, Pitch and Sally.

Starting with Eomer who did end up voting for Greenie soon after me. I'm not entirely happy about this one-man crusade, since it can be seen as a bit of a throwaway, and I am divided about his lupine credentials.

Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

Fea didn't vote which isn't too reassuring, but I'm not overly worried about her at this point.

Agan voted Eomer and set him up as a serious alternative for the lynch. I sort of like the decisiveness about that. Although I think that Agan is acting rather cobblerish too, bringing up very minor points, making hens out of feathers in a somewhat disturbing manner. I know this might sound like throwing the accusation right back, but well, there you go.

Then Pitch throws out a late vote for Eomer, which would've killed him had it come on time. Was that really an accident? Obviously one wonders now about the identity of Eomer. A good scenario for the wolves, if Eomer is innocent, surely?

And then there's Sally, claiming she missed the DL because of her shoddy internet connection. I'm very concerned about Sally actually. If you are still around, who did you mean to vote for?

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Vote tally:

Greenie --> Sally

Eomer --> Greenie

Aganzir --> skip

Sally --> Greenie (2)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't at all care how suspicious it makes me look to not be around all Day and then just spontaneo-vote for somebody I've not expressed feelings about. Particularly since I'm not going to bother trying to make myself look good by giving you a bunch of bogus reasons as to why this doesn't look suspicious. Of course it does, and I'd be lying if I was like, "No, really, it's completely legitimate to just show up and vote for somebody without giving any good reason."

++Skip

I would much rather see him go than Greenie. If I'm wrong, well, my bad. And if I'm right, I hope the wolves kill me so the seer can get another night.

And more importantly, I hope the seer's dream targets are all still alive so that we get a few known innocents instead of just one or none.

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Oh, hello Fea!

Shame on you though.

Gotta go now and since I don't know whether I'll be back before DL:

++Sally

[Pitchwife]

Interesting choice of Night-kill. If Boro was killed because he looked gifted to the wolves, I'd guess he would have seemed more seerish than rangerish - he didn't talk about a lot of people, but was quite explicit and decided about who he didn't want to see lynched, so maybe they thought he was protecting a dreamed innocent.

And wilwa turned out an ordo - which means we have our first bandwagon against a known innocent to analyze. I'll have to look closer at skip toDay, and maybe reconsider about Greenie.

Originally Posted by Agan

Sally and Pitch, why did you leave voting until so late?

Why indeed? I could kick myself - one of the few Days ever when I have a chance to actually stay around till DL and make a difference, and I botch it. Pity for wilwa.
Basically, I had some last-minute second thoughts about Eomer - nothing concrete, more a concern that I might be tunnel-visioning and exaggerating things (last time I had too much confidence that I'd found a wolf, it led to a little disaster - see Nerwen's game), so I went back to skim through his posts once more in a hurry, was none the wiser (it was getting late too) and decided to go with my suspicion anyway. Now the stupid thing is that my computer clock isn't quite in synch with the Downs clock, and I hadn't refreshed for a while, so I miscalculated the time I had left by a few crucial minutes. Blargh.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But, Lottie, did you notice that Sally's reasoning is completely the other way round? She regards Wilwa as having been doomed by the time you voted, and argues from that that your vote on Eomer couldn't have been wolf-on-wolf:

I was the first to vote Eomer, yeah, but Sally and Pitchie had both expressed suspicion of him. I'm not going to add Agan there, because I don't remember if she expressed suspicion of him before or after I voted for him. It wasn't a throwaway; I was honestly trying to get him lynched.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Lottie - gave a pretty big gifted hint yesterday but is still alive. Pretty suspicious of her now.

I did what now?

Originally Posted by skip spence

I mean. like Agan says, the cobbler has no way of knowing the identity of the wolves at the moment. Doesn't this mean that cobbler can just as easily do the wolves harm as he/she can be of help to them, really? In the light of this, going for the cobbler when there are two wolves out there seems odd. But as much as I'd like to quarrel with Agan about this, it looks like she's gone for the Day.

Oh, my...Agan and her cobber-hunting ferver again. She does this every game, you know, and someone always disagrees with her.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

As Eomer himself pointed out. And I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about!

Presumably this

Originally Posted by Lottie #145

The only game he could have been talking about was Nerwen's. Now, the logical way to proceed with this line of reasoning is, "was she a wolf in that game"? As it happens, no. I was Gifted. If I die toNight, may I ask that Eomer not be overlooked?

and this

Originally Posted by Lottie #157

I was pointing out that you'd just liked my behavior now to my behavior as a Gifted, and that if I died, I'd be highly suspicious of you...although, now that I've said that, we have to take even that with a heaping spoonful of salt.

At the time, I took Eo's comment about your behaviour as an accusation of wolvery rather than a speculation about your possible giftedness, so it was actually you who dragged the question of gifteds out into the open; but I don't know that you'd have done that if you were one, so I don't see the big hint here.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Presumably this

and this

At the time, I took Eo's comment about your behaviour as an accusation of wolvery rather than a speculation about your possible giftedness, so it was actually you who dragged the question of gifteds out into the open; but I don't know that you'd have done that if you were one, so I don't see the big hint here.

Oh, that? I didn't even think about how it might look like a Gifted hint. It wasn't meant to be one.

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Originally Posted by Loslote

As Eomer himself pointed out. And I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about!

To get this thing cleared up too (although Pitch's got the jest of it), and I'm paraphrasing:

Eomer: I'd prefer if Lottie was wielding a sword like a crazy person. She seems too careful now...

skip: Interesting. The last and only time I played with Lottie, she was just that person ie very outspoken and direct about her accusations.

Eomer: Oh really? But to be fair, when I last played with her she was actually very careful like she is now...

Lottie: Oh, but you have to remember, in that game I was a gifted (which can explain my carefulness)

You can see what I and Eomer are talking about, can't you? Then again, I agree with Pitch that Lottie probably would've been more careful if she actually is gifted ie the Seer.