Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Glirdan · 09-15-2010, 06:47 AM

As much as I would love to do some IC bantering, I will not...much too tired as I just got in from work...yay....

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Originally Posted by Lommy

And I don't like the fact that we have 48 hours each Day. It tends to make people (myself included of course) lazy instead of enthusiastic to use the extra time for finding wolves.

I agree with this, yet at the same time, it gives people more of a chance to vote thus eliminating the "I didn't have time to vote" excuse. If this ever happens, then we at least have something to look at.

As for all of the phantom as rep business, I'm not sure what to make of it yet. All I know is my gut is telling me not to vote for him.

I don't know what to make of most things right now because I'm utterly exhausted and probably need some sleep...or at least coffee. I'll be around.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-15-2010, 07:00 AM

I got around to read Legate and Lommy's posts and I hate to admit it, but they where not complete trash.

Legate's post is interesting/funny because he doesn't want to discuss The Phantom, but is forced to due to previous events. Besides from that his reasoning is very sound and hard (for me) not to agree with.

Lommy I really like. She is annoyed, bitter and straightforward, very unusual for her and I like it. It is like we have a new and improved Lommy.

Thinlómien · 09-15-2010, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Glirdan

I agree with this, yet at the same time, it gives people more of a chance to vote thus eliminating the "I didn't have time to vote" excuse. If this ever happens, then we at least have something to look at.

Good point.

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Originally Posted by Glirdy

As for all of the phantom as rep business, I'm not sure what to make of it yet. All I know is my gut is telling me not to vote for him.

Well, anyone should think twice before voting him for representative now. I mean, with two votes he already is a representative, and it would be very rash to give him more power by making him a powerful representative when the Day is still in the beginning and no one else has received any rep votes.

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Originally Posted by Zil

Wolves? They're our friends!

I think I will get fed up with these jokes in not so distant future...

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Originally Posted by Sally

Really, Lommie, is that attitude necessary? I mean....really?

Is that attitude necessary? What do we gain by voting carelessly and meanwhile boosting tp's ego? (Sorry tp that I keep bringing you to these arguments like this but these guys are trying to buddy up to you by stroking your ego.) And sorry Sally (and Lottie) if I have offended you, that was not my intention and I still heart you - but you do act very sillily in my opininon.

But if Sally is genuinely offended, then I'd say she's more innocent than guilty.

edit: xed with Rune

Thinlómien · 09-15-2010, 07:02 AM

So I'm improved when I start bitching? Wonderful.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-15-2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

So I'm improved when I start bitching? Wonderful.

In my opinion, yes!

Of course a change of attitude could also indicate sinister motives, but so far I have no reason to believe that this is the case.

Inziladun · 09-15-2010, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well, anyone should think twice before voting him for representative now. I mean, with two votes he already is a representative, and it would be very rash to give him more power by making him a powerful representative when the Day is still in the beginning and no one else has received any rep votes.

I don't think he needs any more votes.

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think I will get fed up with these jokes in not so distant future...

That's the last one from me.

Glirdan · 09-15-2010, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lommy

Well, anyone should think twice before voting him for representative now. I mean, with two votes he already is a representative, and it would be very rash to give him more power by making him a powerful representative when the Day is still in the beginning and no one else has received any rep votes.

I actually had forgotten that it only took two votes to be a representative.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-15-2010, 08:37 AM

I am actually surprised with the really strong reaction of Lommy's to the phantom-business, while I agree, it's a bit scary the way she reacts so strongly. But at least it seems to have an intimidating effect and people realised (if they didn't do so by themselves) what power do the votes hold - basically what I said.

I must thank to Rune for finding enough energy to read my post and at the same time find it "not complete trash"

Although I should remark that the "buttering up" of mine and especially Lommie's posting made me worried a little bit (I am thinking of the general wolf strategy of "buddying up" with somebody, which especially in the representative-game can also have other effects, like getting people to vote for you as the representative. I think actually that is an issue we should keep an eye out for in this game as well, for that matter, the thing about sally and Lottie possibly also "buddying" phantom in this way holds too). That said, I do not consider it any obvious sign of guilt or anything like that, but at least it looked a little attention-rising to me now (with the sort of enthusiasm Rune had, unusual, seemed to me).

I could also remark that I find it funny, though, how since several of the posts which pointed out the danger of having all votes for phantom, and especially after Lommy's rather strongly frustrated post, the "public thinking" sort of shifted towards the same paradigm of echoing it - like Inzil or Glirdan (and even Rune, with what I mentioned above). Since it became a "fashion", I expect that now it is easier for the SoE to join this "fashion", and not support phantom any more. Which means, I am also watching those I mentioned above - mainly the first two, with Zil being a bit casual, which might have been just joining the flow, and Glirdy being a bit laid-back, which might have been so as not to be in the centre of attention but still agree with the majority.

Anyway, still there is a horde of people to see, so... looking forward to more.

EDIT: x-posted with Nogrod and onwards...

Nogrod · 09-15-2010, 07:54 AM

How come everyone is so predictable these days?

But as Lommoblin said, there seems to be a real danger of partisan-politics here. Polarisation is the poison of democracy.

It seems we already have two "parties" here - and a few bystanders who carefully consider their words not to commit themselves. This Sally - Lottie - tp triangle looks just a bit too obvious to be true. But the moral highground of Shasta - Nerwen - Lommy trio is kind of too neat as well. And the carefulness of Legate -Zil - Glirdy looks soo suspicious...

Gah. Sorry about throwing you guys into these "easy categories": they are my first impressions. I hope I can elaborate on them later and maybe put up some better ideas.

But really Phantoblin, you will not vote for those who vote you for representative? First of all you contradict yourself as you insist on being bad at heart - wouldn't lynching those who trust you be the "baddie move" then? (actually you should have to break that promise as a representative for me to trust you...) Secondly: if you are on the orc side isn't your task to get rid of the elves whoever they are - even if they try to do you lip-service by voting you as a representative?

Anyway, if we are baddies everyone (besides the SoE) should we try to harm our own case just to be evil? I don't see that discussion to be interesting, helpful or useful. We have a task at hand, getting rid of the elves, whether we call getting rid of them good or bad.

~*~
A practical note (as people don't normally read the admin. thread): My home internet connection died yesterday, so for now I'm dependent on any wireless internet connections for my laptop (basically my neighbourhood pub) and my school's computers during daytime. That will limit the times I can be online greatly. On the positive note I get to sleep my nights as there is no internet for me after the pub closes...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-15-2010, 08:05 AM

I am afraid, but I need to make an early vote.

I unfortunately I have basically nothing to base my decision on. . . I am sure that it will surprise absolutely nobody that I will give Lommy my vote. (whether she likes it or not)

btw I would happily be a representative my self. . . Power is nice.

++ Lommy for representative

Folwren · 09-15-2010, 08:12 AM

You people talk too much. I was going to listen to everybody, and then people started talking in long paragraphs at a time.

I don't trust Phantoblin. I think he's a sneaky liar. I know that some stuff he said was certainly in jest, but if he really wants EVERYBODY to vote for him, how is he going to keep his promise of not voting to kill any of his supporters? And what if only one or two people don't vote for him? Are they automatically guilty? Stuff and nonsense.

I'm most inclined to vote for Nerwen as my representative...but I am going to wait until time has passed and more things have panned out.

I am an orc of few words, and my few words have been spent.

09-15-2010, 07:02 AM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	So I'm improved when I start bitching? Wonderful. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-15-2010, 08:37 AM	#8
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I am actually surprised with the really strong reaction of Lommy's to the phantom-business, while I agree, it's a bit scary the way she reacts so strongly. But at least it seems to have an intimidating effect and people realised (if they didn't do so by themselves) what power do the votes hold - basically what I said. I must thank to Rune for finding enough energy to read my post and at the same time find it "not complete trash" Although I should remark that the "buttering up" of mine and especially Lommie's posting made me worried a little bit (I am thinking of the general wolf strategy of "buddying up" with somebody, which especially in the representative-game can also have other effects, like getting people to vote for you as the representative. I think actually that is an issue we should keep an eye out for in this game as well, for that matter, the thing about sally and Lottie possibly also "buddying" phantom in this way holds too). That said, I do not consider it any obvious sign of guilt or anything like that, but at least it looked a little attention-rising to me now (with the sort of enthusiasm Rune had, unusual, seemed to me). I could also remark that I find it funny, though, how since several of the posts which pointed out the danger of having all votes for phantom, and especially after Lommy's rather strongly frustrated post, the "public thinking" sort of shifted towards the same paradigm of echoing it - like Inzil or Glirdan (and even Rune, with what I mentioned above). Since it became a "fashion", I expect that now it is easier for the SoE to join this "fashion", and not support phantom any more. Which means, I am also watching those I mentioned above - mainly the first two, with Zil being a bit casual, which might have been just joining the flow, and Glirdy being a bit laid-back, which might have been so as not to be in the centre of attention but still agree with the majority. Anyway, still there is a horde of people to see, so... looking forward to more. EDIT: x-posted with Nogrod and onwards... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-15-2010, 07:54 AM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	How come everyone is so predictable these days? But as Lommoblin said, there seems to be a real danger of partisan-politics here. Polarisation is the poison of democracy. It seems we already have two "parties" here - and a few bystanders who carefully consider their words not to commit themselves. This Sally - Lottie - tp triangle looks just a bit too obvious to be true. But the moral highground of Shasta - Nerwen - Lommy trio is kind of too neat as well. And the carefulness of Legate -Zil - Glirdy looks soo suspicious... Gah. Sorry about throwing you guys into these "easy categories": they are my first impressions. I hope I can elaborate on them later and maybe put up some better ideas. But really Phantoblin, you will not vote for those who vote you for representative? First of all you contradict yourself as you insist on being bad at heart - wouldn't lynching those who trust you be the "baddie move" then? (actually you should have to break that promise as a representative for me to trust you...) Secondly: if you are on the orc side isn't your task to get rid of the elves whoever they are - even if they try to do you lip-service by voting you as a representative? Anyway, if we are baddies everyone (besides the SoE) should we try to harm our own case just to be evil? I don't see that discussion to be interesting, helpful or useful. We have a task at hand, getting rid of the elves, whether we call getting rid of them good or bad. ~*~ A practical note (as people don't normally read the admin. thread): My home internet connection died yesterday, so for now I'm dependent on any wireless internet connections for my laptop (basically my neighbourhood pub) and my school's computers during daytime. That will limit the times I can be online greatly. On the positive note I get to sleep my nights as there is no internet for me after the pub closes... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-15-2010, 08:12 AM	#11
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	You people talk too much. I was going to listen to everybody, and then people started talking in long paragraphs at a time. I don't trust Phantoblin. I think he's a sneaky liar. I know that some stuff he said was certainly in jest, but if he really wants EVERYBODY to vote for him, how is he going to keep his promise of not voting to kill any of his supporters? And what if only one or two people don't vote for him? Are they automatically guilty? Stuff and nonsense. I'm most inclined to vote for Nerwen as my representative...but I am going to wait until time has passed and more things have panned out. I am an orc of few words, and my few words have been spent. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

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