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Dwarves also belong to the "old world" as you call it. But only one single Dwarf ever left Middle-Earth going to Valinor. In addition I can't find any evidence in the books for Ents going to Valinor.
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About the ents going to Valinot - it does not say so directly, but LOTR does mention, when talking of Elven songs, that they say that "they will meet overseas". There is one known place overseas that is a good candidate for the meeting spot - Valinor. I am not enforcing my viewpoint, this is just my opinion. You could think differently
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It is true that The Silmarillion is our primary narrative of the events of the First Age. It is true also that it is decidedly Elf-centred (or more accurately, Elda-centred, or even Noldo-centred). This does not mean, however, that the Elves were really the "majority" race of the First Age. They were the Firstborn, yes... but with the rising of the Sun and the dawn of the First Age (of the Sun, remember) all the races are awake, and the Dwarves have had almost as long as the Sindar to be making a civilisation for themselves... and I would say they've done a fine job at it. As regards the Elves and Ents remeeting in Valinor--you are correct that Galadriel seems to hold this out as a possibility when she takes her leaves of Treebeard, but it's merely a hope, as I read it.
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I agree about what you said about Belleriand. But still, elves were the top civilization of the time, even if they were outnumbered by other races. They sort of held the wisdom of the Valar.
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In my opinion the time Galadriel refers to, is Arda healed – the one think that Elves could hope for when their long lives ended finally with the end of Arda marred in Dagor Dagorath. Respectfully Findegil |
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Tolkien also noted...
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I believe Findegil's right. Note that Tasirinan (=Nan-tathren) was in Beleriand, not Valinor.
The song about the Ents and Entwives in The Lord of the Rings does perhaps hint at them going to Valinor ("together we will take the road that leads into the west"), however if so I think that's meant to be wishful thinking. I don't have the books with me right now, but from memory, doesn't Treebeard himself regard it as a bit of Elven whimsy, rather than a prophecy? EDIT:X'd with Galin.
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"the time Galadriel refers to, is Arda healed "
It is possible, Findegil. After all, many things are supposed to reunite when Arda will be remade (for example, the Silmarils). However, I've always thought that the healing of Arda is a process pretty much similar to fixing, let's say, a toy car. You take it apart, you clean all the little pieces and take out all the dirt that got stuck in it, but when you put it back together, it functions totally differently than it did before. I don't ean better - literally differently. What would the healing of Arda look like? I don't think that even the roles of different rces are going to remain the same. "doesn't Treebeard himself regard it as a bit of Elven whimsy, rather than a prophecy" but don't elven profecies, even whimsies, eventually prove to be true?
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